Which Dlc Route Launched With The Most Locomotives

Looking back at all DLC that have come out for TSW, Do you remember which DLC had the most locomotives that came with the route at launch? Not counting layers. Was it nahverkehr Dresden ?

 

How many did that route have?
NTP and GWE both came with 3 new types. Actually though SEHS Ext had 4 types though none were new.

 

Dresden launched with 5,BR 442, BR143,BR 146.2, MRCE BR 185.5, BR363.
This doesn’t include the layers that added even more services.

 

Were they all new pieces of rolling stock?

 

Nahvehrker Dresden Riesa includes the most drivable trains, with 6 (442, 143, 146.2, 185.5, 363, and 766).

The runner-up is Tharandter Rampe with 5 (612, 143, 185.6, 363, and 766).

 

442 new
143 launch in Ruhr-Sieg Nord
146,2 launch in Main-Spessart Bahn
185.5 launch in Rhein-Ruhr Osten
363-new
766.2 Main Spessart Bahn, 767.2 Ruhr-Sieg, Nord

 

442 and the 363 weren't new. We had them before. The 363 is the blue version of the red version. The 442 was a slightly different livery, interior i think, but it's still a 442. None of them were new locomotives we didn't have before

 

it’s a different car format (one is a 3 car and the other is the 5 or 4) noticeable difference in exterior window lighting aswell and livery is definitely more newer on Dresden than faded on Koln if I remember correctly

 

Yea I forgot about Kohl. The one there is a 4 car formation 442 that’s usual a two set. I think those are 442- 7–. The ones in Dresden are 442-1–.

 

The class 47 launched with WSR, so technically NTP did not come with 3 completely new types. (Even though it was modified for BR era). GWE is the only route to my knowledge to hold such title.

 

So looking at their history,we can expect one to maybe two brand new locos per route tops. Everything else can be included but will most likely be recycled.

 

The route with the most brand new locos/dmu at release is Great Western Express with 3 locos or Sand Patch Grade also with 3 locos.
If we include Add-ons it's a tie but mostly with older route like Ruhr Sieg Nod (4) Peninsula Corridor (4) or Tees Valley Line(Again 4)

 

Unless its a modern US freight route. There really isn't any room for "new" locos for mainline action aside from a few from the SD70/90 family, unless DTG wants to make more geeps like the GP40-2 or GP60....

 

Lets not forget GWE came with two full DMU sets, a freight loco and a freight wagon. Quite a nice bundle it was.

If you include add-ons you'll also have to take into account Diesel Legends of the Great Western, putting GWE on top again.

 

The original Sand Patch came with the locos (and yes, they were all new back then).

 

I thought ntp came with 4 new types peak, duff, gronk & 101.

 

The 47 was probably rebuilt from the WSR version, but yes NTP was a good value traction pack. In the beginning all routes came with decent traction resources compared to the one new train (or recycled in the case of Glossop) that we seem to get now and for £5 more than the original selling price.

 

Wasn't Gronk in the bundle with the Whistler?

 

I completely forgot about that.

 

I don’t know if the ntp 47 was based on the wsr 47 but the wsr 47 does not sound right at all but the ntp 47 does.

 

Possibly they remastered the sounds for NTP.

What seems evident (to me) is that somewhere along the line they lost, or fell out with, the talent which was producing this excellent BR classic content - which is why we never got a Sulzer Type 2, a Class 50, 55, 56 or 60. Just the one handled atrocities which seem to come with most newer UK routes (steam excepted).

 

Huddersfield line NTP Classes 45 101 and 47 this one is simply a reworked WSR version which explains why you are getting the star tours achievement dlc Class 40 and 08 5 locos in total
GWML London Paddington 66 166 HST DLC 1970s
Class 08 52 101 6 locos

 

None of them were. The routes with the most new locos at launch were Sand Patch, GWE and NTP, each with three. That fell to two with TVL, WSR and MSB, after which one is all we get (with a brief return to two in SOS).

 

Well, they haven't done an ET44 yet.

 

The ET44 is still classified in the GEVO family, and from the front still looks like an ES44, so most "average" players wouldn't see it as a new loco.

 

I'd take an AC6000 or SD90MAC - it could be interesting to see that much extra horsepower in consists. Not sure about the engine failures though

 

They didn’t fall out with the creator of the BR stuff but rather the creator of the BR stuff now works on other content due to DTG not wanting to release any new BR stuff. The kids don’t want it. They want Azooomas and the like.

 

Sadly you are probably right. Maybe one day they will come back to it.

 

Not a kid, definitely want an Azuma though, as well as other more modern trains. I also really, really want more attention paid to steam, we need loco dlc and timetable updates for both the current steam routes. If they swapped the person off of that type of content, it's because it didn't sell well enough.

 

I was going to leave this comment alone until I read that. Compared to something like RH or SEHS of course it hasn't sold as many but that is more to do with the fact that when it was shiny new the player base of the game was smaller and when the player base grew they were the not up to date pieces of DLC which will clearly not attract as many buyers as the spanking new DLC with loads of new features. Until another BR diesel era route releases the 'it doesn't sell well' argument is one which cannot be used to fairly show the story. Like I say don't disagree with the rest of your comment just the part I quoted. Even then it was a more general thing aimed at more people than just you.

 

I mean at the end of the day, if that era sold well, they would have been making a lot more of it surely? They have the license as it's just BR, they have a good portion of the trains already made that could easily layer in. So they would be able to churn out routes fairly easy for it I would assume? Compared to creating completely new trains and acquiring new licenses. If it sold well, they would be using it a lot more as it requires less effort. (They really 100% need to upgrade NTP and TVL to the modern standard though, they need the updated lighting, better passengers and generally a polish pass).

 

We hear it didn't sell well, yet there are a lot of people talking about it on the forums. TVL gets mentioned a lot too. It seems JT are risking it then by making a route also in the BR period.

I suspect there are some who hope this period doesn't sell well as they only want DTG to make the content they are interested in.

 

We hear the same group of about 5-10 people talking a lot about it on the forums. We don't hear "a lot". As has been pointed out numerous times before, the forums are a TINY and very dedicated/enthusiastic portion of the player base. You can't infer anything about the player base as a whole by what people on the forum say.

Nobody is hoping things don't sell well, that wouldn't make any sense. People want the game to expand, and for that to happen DTG to do as well as possible. For that to happen everyone wants them to have the most sales they can. The more sales they get, the more money they have to make more things.

As for "only want DTG to make the content they are interested in" I personally am not super keen on the BR era (due to the trains inducing headaches for me). I still want TVL/NTP upgraded, and I still want the Deltic to be released for all the people that really like it, despite having zero interest in it myself. I'm also glad JT are bringing out a new route in the era for people.

 

I feel like you just need to read what I said again because this response gives me the impression you haven't quite grasped what I was trying to say.
I will quote it below so you don't have to scroll up.
'Compared to something like RH or SEHS of course it hasn't sold as many but that is more to do with the fact that when it [NTP & TVL] was shiny new the player base of the game was smaller and when the player base grew they were the not up to date pieces of DLC which will clearly not attract as many buyers as the spanking new DLC with loads of new features [LBN, SEHS etc].'

 

No I understood exactly what you meant. It's entirely possible the BR era routes didn't sell well compared to their contemporaries at the time, like GWE. I wasn't comparing them to more modern routes.
DTG have the data, they know how to read it. Why would they swap someone off content that was successful/met their expectations? That wouldn't make any business/financial sense. DTG have said several times (like people wanting generation 8 to be dropped) they are a business, and they do what makes financial sense.

 

But we don't know that so statements like the one you made initially can't be made. Again though this is old data which represents a much much smaller player base and you can't infer anything about the player base as a whole by what a smaller group of people a few years ago bought.

 

Indeed, I don't have the data. I can infer based on what type of products they are producing though. If they sold well/exceeded expectations, they would be making more of them. That's basic business, you make what is financially successful/sells.

 

Fair enough have your inference, but that's all it is and so cannot be used as fact when discussing things like this like you did initially.

 

Then why, in your opinion, are they not producing them?

 

I honestly think they should have dedicated teams for Steam, Retro, Modern, and ensure they produce at least one of each every year.

 

That is something I don't really have a thought on because I am by no means a business man and having my opinion on the subject won't change the actual reason, though I suspect it was something internal or something to do with Covid. Or perhaps not looking at the full story when looking at sales, such as when a route released etc (again a lot more people were playing during lockdown than before so routes released in that time would target a greater amount of people). Our opinions don't matter though as we have no idea what's going on behind closed doors. I am sure someone with a more business oriented mind will come along and answer that better.

Just thinking another place the whole BR Diesels aren't popular has been disproved was in the tier list thread a week or so ago.

 

I think it's very clear that DTG have done their market research ( especially beyond us forum nerds ) and they have obviously concluded that most current players want the shiny, new, colorful, plastic, one joystick, electric go- karts that we are seeing almost exclusively in the game these days.

I give DTG credit for tossing out the occasional steam and historic routes like PFR, presumably to mollify the few old farts like me who are ancient enough to remember what the real railway was like when it existed.

 

The tier list is again using the forum though right?

 

I wasn't actually aiming my comments at you. I have seen in the past people making statements like "I hope they don't make this I don't want to see all these old trains" and variations of. A minority I am sure but there are definatley some out there who only care for what they like.

 

That's fair enough. I want everyone to be happy, it's why they need to make dedicated teams, or at least need to commit to releasing one Modern/Retro/Steam route for the UK every year or something.
I don't really like German/European routes for example, but I certainly want them released for the people that do.
Because, I might end up liking something I didn't at first. When I started TSW, I really didn't like US freight routes, now I do. I just drive them in a different way to more intensive routes. I slap on some music/a podcast and it's a relaxing drive.

I even like the BR routes when I have the audio switched off (only because it causes me headaches). The industrial vibe of TVL is really good, and I enjoying driving on it. I love driving the 101 for example, as it's not like any other train in the game, and it's surprisingly fast.

 

I feel like carrying this on will get us nowhere and frankly I have got things I need to be doing on my day off rather than going round in circles based on assumptions and hypothesis.

That would be perfect and what I have said in many threads should be the case. Just to be clear I am by no means saying modern routes should be stopped but saying that there should be a mix of everything. I feel between us we have managed to cross wires a bit as it seems that our solution is the same.

 

I hadn't any interested in non UK routes until TSW, it is mainly service mode which gives you so much variety without having to make scenarios.

Sorry to hear the diesels give you headaches.

I would always expect the balance to be towards modern routes but a nod to us old codgers once a year at least would be nice!

 

It would arguably make sense for DTG to go big on one UK release, with a higher than average range of new trains, then follow up with a couple of routes that merely re-use them. So for example if they did a WCML south with Class 390, Class 350, Class 378 and Class 90 (with layers), then they could do the following routes by re-using what they already have:

North London Lines
South London Network
Other parts of the WCML, e.g.
Trent Valley
Crewe - Liverpool modern
Manchester - Crewe

That's not to say that these routes - and the WCML south - wouldn't benefit from extra DLC, but it'd set a baseline for a decent number of routes to be adequately equipped. They could then move to different regions and eras. Essentially rather than 1 new train per route it's 4 new trains for one, then 0 for the next 3.

 

If it was an AC6000 it would need to be set in the past for sure... I don't think any of them technically exist anymore, they were all de-rated to 4400hp for reliability reasons so other than looks would perform basically like an AC4400.

 

Same thing with the SD90MAC-H as well, as they all got scrapped. Union Pacific is the only railroad with any decent sized fleet of them and they got razed by 2009. The SD9043MACs never got upgraded, so they wouldn't be much different from the SD70ACe.