Tsw 4 *spoiler Alert You Have Been Warned*.

No! This is no UE at all! Nice idea but to far from reality I guess! Otherwise the market for VR is to small I guess.... the part on VR simulations are so low that I not believe this is a idea for the moment.

 

That was not fair and the reality is that DTG that never has in mind... the thing is if you ever realistic that if you support older parts then people never buy you're new products that's a thing that's not clever told and I think thats not fair to communicate. So I hope this time they are fairly true and dindt communicate this things again. Yeah can fix small issues but fix larger things is not gonna happen.

 

I wonder if it's worth pointing out Flying Scotsman did a tour of the US..

 

Yes, but depending on how accurate you want to be, none of the routes in game that It did run on are in proper era.

 

Probably codename for another Electrostar

 

I think the less said about that the better. I can deal with and kind have accepted the chances are if she comes FS won't come with ECML but not to be with a British route would be an absolute outrage.

 

Does anybody still believe that the TSW2 fixes are still " waiting for a release slot" ? Or Santa Claus? Or the Tooth Fairy?

( if there are any little kids reading this, don't worry, the last two are real )

 

In fact was stuck in the US for quite a while due to finances

 

It’ll just be the Jubilee subbing in for the Flying Scotsman. It’s green, that’s close enough.

 

The only difference I see is the epic DB is label “the flying scotsman centenary edition“.
So is not just the flying Scotsman, is specifically centenary edition.

 

On the other side how many people play TSW2 at the moment? I guess it's a very low amount. TSW3 has so many sales behind!

 

TSW2 is dead. DTG was dumb to promise fixes for it when it was so close to TSW3. They should have instead just offered a cheaper upgrade option to get people out of TSW2. All your routes carry over so I don’t get why they would even pretend to still want to support it, there’s no reason for that. Hopefully their rollout of TSW4 is more logical but I won’t hold my breath. At the end of the day we all know what to expect from DTG at this point. They are far from perfect but we are all still here.

 

So far from the two routes that have been discovered they don’t looked anything special that couldn’t had come out in TSW 2. So what are they bringing new to TSW4 besides the obvious?That’s the question.

 

What’s a Smithfield again?

 

Is just the name depots of the epic DB for what’s looks to be TSW4. Below is the link to the epic DB. It will take a while to load.
By the way it looks like DB smithfield103preorder was updated today.
https://epicdatainfo.vercel.app/offers?category=applications&sortBy=5&seller=Dovetail Games

 

Back to the Antelope Valley Line, I decided to break down all the possible services on the line.

PLAYABLE

Metrolink

Metrolink Antelope Line
-9 services from Lancaster to LAUPT
-2 services from Via Princessa to LAUPT
-9 services from LAUPT to Lancaster
-2 services from LAUPT to Via Princessa

Metrolink Ventura County Line (Depended on how much of the line to Ventura is modeled)
-10 services from Ventrura from Burbank/Airport to LAUPT (3-4 potential stops)
-10 services from LAUPT to Burbank/Airport to Ventura (3-4 potential stops)

Metrolink Shuttle Services from Metrolink's CMF to LAUPT and back (2.3 miles)
-Unknown amount of services

Union Pacific

(Potential trains based off of what I can find from the internet)

(Thru Soldad Canyon)
-ISELC (Seattle to LATC)
-ZLTLC (Lathrop to LATC)
-ZLCSE (LATC to Seattle)
-ZLCLT (LATC to Lathrop Intermodal)
-ZLCTM (LATC to Tacoma,WA Intermodal)
-Saugus Local (Unknown origin)

(Via Ventura Line)
-ODOWP (Wunpost to Delores Oilcan, shut down in 2018)
-OWPDO (Delores to Wunpost Oilcan, shut down in 2018)
-AMIEPR (Milpitas to El Paso Autorack repositioning)
-AMINGR (Milpitas to Nogales Autorack repositioning)
-AMIMLR (Milpitas to Mira Loma Autorack repositioning)
-IOALBR (Oakland to Long Beach Baretable repositioning)
-Unknown locals from the Ventura Line

However, reading thru some posts on Train Orders, at most only 3-4 intermodals would use the line, and its depends on whether the Metrolink dispatcher allows them on, or sends them via the Palmdale Cutoff thru West Colton, meaning there is VERY few freights on the line at all.....

AI
Metrolink San Bernadino Line
-18 AI trains to LAUPT
-18 AI trains from LAUPT

Metrolink Riverside Line
-6 AI trains to LAUPT
-5 AI trains from LAUPT

Metrolink 91/Perris Valley Line
-5 AI trains to LAUPT
-7 AI trains from LAUPT

Metrolink Orange County Line
-10 AI trains to LAUPT
-9 AI trains from LAUPT

So in total about 42 playable Metrolink passenger services (Though 20 of them are 3-4 stoppers and dont run the full line) and about 7-10 freight trains (4-5 on the main line).

 

But I'm sure you would not sell a lot of trains. You would be spending way too much time on having fun than on having something to present at your Direct

 

From the screenshot on the previous page featuring the Acela, could that be a hint that the next US route features the Acela? If so, I am rooting for the New Haven Line. What really deserves a rebuild is LIRR as America's busiest passenger Railroad

 

Oh wow, that actually looks like TSW tho, I have to say. Especially the lightning.

 

Mayyybeee their going to do the Scottish ecml instead?

 

I’m sure the DTG timetable can exploit the full potential. That’s actually a pretty busy stretch of railway, though I suspect most of the freight runs will be at night when the passenger service is dormant.

 

From my understanding, only 1 intermodal is seen during the day unless something gets rerouted.

For example, this was a few days ago and a Lathrop to Long Beach train was detoured onto the Antelope Valley Line.

 

I'm not hyped about the Voralberg route (if it's true), because TSW/DTG can't foresight, which you could already see on the Rhine route ("popping" forests, poor performance and still few details on the mountain slopes). Is it really going to be good in the end?

But let's wait and see.

 

Is there any chances that TSG is involved in the development of a core route ?

 

But it's TSW4. They wouldn't dare sell us a product that had not dealt with these problems surely. I'm staying positive.

 

Noooo not at all. What make you think that.

 

No. That’s a very old picture apparently, it even has an big aeroplane on it, presumably representing DTG’s previous involvement in flight sims. The trains are Train Simulator, and predate TSW.

 

But they have put it on display at King's Cross station, which was well publicised.

I seriously hope the theme isn't on rural routes. It would be extremely tone deaf for DTG to do that. They know what we want. I can't think of a single rural route I want more than a new mainline.

The American and German offerings mentioned in this thread don't interest me, so if the UK offering is similar lacklustre this might be the first time I don't buy a new TSW title on release. Even if it's something more requested like the West Highland line or Settle and Carlisle it would have to look truly great. The latter would at least fit the recurring theme of new routes into major stations with only one tiny multiple unit to populate it.

 

I can think of several rural lines I would prefer to see instead of the southern ECML with Class 700…

Wherry Lines.
Riviera Line (though could be argued that is a main line).
Cambrian Coast.
Newport to Shrewsbury.
Hope Valley Line.
North Wales Coast.
Lancaster to Barrow or Barrow to Carlisle.
West Highland.
North Highland or Kyle Line.

 

You already have an almost confirmed rural route. Leave something for the rest of us

 

Well several of those I mentioned are actually main or certainly secondary lines. It’s about time we got something else in the West Country or Wales, hopefully next time.

 

But someone is in a very positive mood. At first I thought you were joking.

 

ATM I'm building the Venice to Bologna line on the old but good TSC so, I'm just a little away from TSW especially after DTG haven't put out the promised V2 of the "scenarios/livery designer" but it's very interesting read all this speculation!
Sometimes I play TSW but can't enjoy the sound that's isn't perfect for me for a 2023 simulator and other little things in the scenery when they were flawless....
Hope this time they can do a good job and take me onboard another time!

 

I'd argue the North Wales coast and Marches line are mainlines personally. They're both part of major intercity routes. Hope Valley sort of is as well.

This might be my personal tastes but I can't imagine any of those routes being more fun or varied than an ECML south. I don't find rural routes as a whole interesting. If you're like me and not that interested in virtual scenery then they have practically no appeal.

And the Class 700 is a perfectly fine train. I always look forward to a ride on one.

 

Some of us crave a North Wales Coast in the 1970's and yes as I mentioned in a subsequent response, some in my list are main lines just not London centric.

The Class 700 only saving grace for me is the decent view out the front, otherwise it's just another overpowered modern EMU with one control handle. If DTG sort out the sound levels it will be just about tolerable on the ECML, if that's what we're getting but that is all.

 

How certain are we about ECML btw? I'm still holding out for WCML, because a) that's my favourite and b) it can more positively affect existing routes with layers - it could add much needed layers to Cross City, Cathcart, Glossop and the Bakerloo

 

TSW4 prelude to TSW5 using unreal 5.....

 

I'd also love a WCML, even more than an ECML south depending on what era and section they pick.

 

So far the two routes that have been discovered don't seem to have anything special that they wouldn't have been able to come out on TSW2. Maybe the 700/0 won't be reused right away as a lot of us figured would be an obvious choice.. So looking at
the DB for Flying Scotsman Centenary, could it be in between any of the locations for their schedule "flying Scotsman Centenary tour for 2023".So of the tours are listed below. Could be anywhere between york and Carlisle, Derby and Carlisle.

 

I would be quite surprised if the UK route for TSW4 is ECML South. Unfortunately I feel that a lot of people on here will be very disappointed. Matt clearly said only a few months ago that they were spending some time focusing on building routes away from the Southeast of England. If it is to be the ECML it will more likely be a northern section I would guess.

 

Maybe starting at Edinburgh heading south. That would be reusing some assets.

 

I think most speculation about ECML arose from the fact that, 1. They didn't just make the 700 for the SEHS bus service. The reference to "Flying Scotsman" in the various gen dug up about the possible new content.

It is just as possible to be the Midland Maine Line (South) but if it was a northern section of the ECML North, York to Newcastle or Newcastle to Berwick or even Edinburgh.

 

If you think back to people guessing routes for TSW3, including myself, we were all well off and that was with clues like how long the routes were. Best off not getting our hopes up this time and wait for the announcements.

 

We have two clues already from Antelope and Vorarlberg and those routes found don't seem to be anything that couldn't have been done in TSW2 era. So why TSW4 besides the obvious. Now TSW3 at least had the illusion that they were breaking the barrier for long routes. At the end we know thoes were the longest route to come out for TSW3.

 

yea we could do that. But then, what would we talk about.

 

76 miles and 24 stations for ECML south (Peterborough - KGX) might just be pushing our luck given the amount of modelling needed for that length. That's without a potential extension to work the 700 into the TL core as well, as much as I remain hopeful!

 

How do you actually get everything af Dresden - leipzig?

 

I had notice in their other game CATAN ,DTG does have a season pass. I know is total different game. But just something to be aware of since we have some DB out there with that label that we updated on 8/1 and 8/2.Some of the titles don't make sense but you know how sometimes title can be changed since might not want to reveal the true content

 

I don't get your worries about a season pass. It's very clear from the database what counts as a season pass. A bundle of routes or locos is a season pass.

 

I don’t thing there was anything mentioned for anyone to worry about. Just putting out information.