Tsw 4 *spoiler Alert You Have Been Warned*.

Luckily DTG do care about there football


In TSC they made millwall Grounds for SLL I belive and in TSW they made us seagul's area - the Amex.

I bet there are countless other stadiums there could be.




But yeah Di Zerbi worked miracles. Which at the start of the season when potter left I was slightly expecting the worse given potter wasn't even half bad at brighton. Even with macalsiter and Caicedo gone we're a great side with many talents. Who knows what will happen with the Seagulls soon. Leicster suprised everyone once... Who says another team can't?

 

I guess my expectations are a bit tarnished since I look forward to US passenger route which we get one a year. As you know US passenger player haven’t had much luck.There’s the LIRR which don’t need to say more about that. Harlem line which we only got to north white plains. We couldn’t even get it to southeast. Even with that I would say is the best US route so far. NYT, which still haven’t gotten the product that should have come out from day one. But , with that said , I’m happy that they are working on it. Can’t wait for the final product, even if is 7 months later after the launch. There’s the peninsular corridor, issues with the baby billet and cab cars that since TSW3 launch. And Boston which took Brandon do fix the signals in his own time. So while I do understand the need for variety and I do expect it. In my opinion a route that offers 22 passenger services is very odd, I guess we can wait and see when everything is official and see what actually gets released. But even with my criticism I love this game and will continue to support it.

 

Mm, yes and no, I think. If PIS is important to you, yes. Personally, I rarely glance at it. The skybox is the major improvement for me, but the dynamic weather is still seriously flawed. And that eye adaptation nonsense? Signalling is still problematic on some routes like NYT, MML and Harlem. The livery tool OK if that's your thing, but the Scenario Planner is pretty worthless, looked at it once and never again until I can actually create an original scenario. Steam is still having issues with physics and firing. And do you really think that A to B routes like EG, BCC and Glossop have lots of variety in game play?

And what of the night lighting, actually the lighting in general. And the crazy NPC behavior and where are the Rush Hour passengers on recent routes? Tunnel reverb? I could go on.

Whenever I play SPG, I realize that I just don't see 5 years of progress today. Today I did a run on CJP, actually one of my favorites, and watched all the floating cars, trucks and buses as they raced along 10 feet above ground by the approach to San Bernardino Yards.

Hate to play the devil's advocate and burst your bubble. And I love and am committed to the game. But.......

 

When it comes to US passenger routes, they have been more troublesome for DTG it seems. Maybe a more simple timetable for this new route will mean that the passenger side of it works better. I can’t tell if it’s a bad choice of route until I see exactly what it contains in the game. I hope they get it right as their track record with US passenger stuff is, as you say, not so great. It has been ropey, even taking a route that worked fine in TSW2020 and never getting it back as good as it was, Peninsula Corridor. If they get the new NYT timetable working and fix the signalling that could be one of the best passenger routes in the game. Time, which always goes slowly in TSW, will tell.

 

Is the UP an Oregon route? I know Seattle is in Washington because I live by seattle

 

Won’t they have to have a US freight line?

 

No, those there the possible UPs trains on the Antelope Valley Line, which are intermodals from the LATC yard near LA to either Lathrop or the Pacifc Northwest

 

I find it strange that the core us route is both passenger and freight. It didn't happen before.

 

Haititai,

kommen wir zuerst zu dem Teil, was TSW nicht enthalten wird (mal wieder):

- Einsteigende Passagiere (Spawn)
- Ansagen für alle Strecken
- Dynamische Ereignisse (einmal geffahren, man kennt alles)
z.B. Notarzt, Signalfehler, Türströung,....
- Kontrolleure / Ticket System für alle Strecken
- Man optional einstllen kann, dass man als Fahrer Essen/Trinken benötigt, Klo Pause, etc.
- Man mehr Fahrpläne bekommt, in dem man bei einem anderen Zug mitfahren muss, um zum Startbahnhof zu gelangen
- Bereitstellungsfahrten Standardmäßig driin sind
- Waschfahr / Werkstattfahrten

Das der Multiplayer nicht komen wird, darüber braucht man ja gar nicht mehr sprechen.

Was als letzte Alternative allerdings interessant wäre, wäre ein System wie bei:

Omsi2 --> BusBetreibsSimuator
ETS2 - WorldOfTrucks

So das man eine virutelle Firma eröffnen kann, mann für diese Firma dann....

- Punkte einfährt
- Gehalt erhält
- Gemeinsame Events lösen kann
- z.B. einen Fuhrpark aufbauen kann
- einen integrierten Livechat, auch wen man sich IC nicht sieht

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First, let's get to the part that TSW won't include (again):

- Boarding passengers (spawn)
- Announcements for all routes
- Dynamic events (once driven, you know everything)
e.g. emergency doctor, signal error, door fault,....
- Controllers / ticket system for all routes
- You can optionally set that you as a driver need food/drink, toilet break, etc.
- You get more timetables by having to ride on another train to get to the starting station
- Deployment rides are included by default
- Car wash / workshop trips

The fact that multiplayer won't come, you don't need to talk about that anymore.

What would be interesting as a last alternative, however, would be a system like:

Omsi2 --> Bus Operating Simulator
ETS2 - WorldOfTrucks So that you can open a virtual company, man for this company then....
- scores points - salary received - Can solve joint events
- e.g. can set up a vehicle fleet
- an integrated live chat, even if you don't see IC

Pinguinie

 

I mean, you are quite right, it’s not as good as it should be and nearly all the newer features are minimally developed and only just working. There is so much that needs improving still and I do wish that one new feature could be introduced that doesn’t immediately have a load of flaws in it but I kind of take it as read that this will always be the same with DTG and as such take it as it comes and make the best out of what they offer. It’s a flawed game for sure but it isn’t the length of the routes, the choice of routes, or the vision that makes it that way, it’s the rushed development and unfinished nature of almost everything that lets it down.

Overall, I think of it as a flawed game that introduces new exciting flaws while failing to correct old flaws in a “this is what you are getting for your money” package every time a new version or DLC comes out. You have to learn to live with a lot and accept the many flaws if you are truly going to enjoy TSW. It’s hard work but I think I’m managing it. I actually love Cajon Pass for the scenery, which simultaneously manages to be a huge improvement from say Sherman Hill but is also still comically bad in places. And I have to ignore the cars like I’ve had to ignore what the passengers are doing on so many routes. I’m turning blind eyes to a lot, I know.

There is improvement in places but it will never be as good as we want. I’ve given up hope on that and will only shout out loud for something I find utterly ridiculous like an AWS warning that is as quiet as a mouse or the baffling new UI they present us with each year that always has stupid omissions for console controller use amongst other ‘grey areas’ of design logic. Things that used to work that no longer do, or things they once got right that they alter by design or memory loss are the things that wind me up the most. The community as a whole shout about the rest of it but if I complained about everything that I find bad in TSW then I would have to be typing 24 hours a day.

I now accept too many flaws because I get so much enjoyment out of the things that are great about TSW and because I get so much out of it in general. I’m driving loads of trains! I realised after a while with TSW that I could never change how DTG do things because look at how much we have achieved so far, so I do just get on with playing the game, driving the trains, even if I have to turn off safety systems on US passenger trains, or watch the HUD closely because I can’t see signals in the new lighting the way I could clearly see them in the old. Night lighting, I’ve said so much on that, I just have to say less about it now and drive the services I can. It’s gone from one kind of bad to a completely darker kind of bad. How can I make it good? I can’t. I drive in the day now, unless I want to see the signals of course. I can’t alter the signalling if it’s wrong but I do so dearly want them to get it right. So many things I would love them to get right.

I’m enjoying it and will continue to do so, and I do see a general upward trend in things DTG get right, even if I also see so much that I would have them improve further. I’m focusing on the positives. I will complain about the new UI within an hour of TSW4 releasing, that’s almost guaranteed.

 

I don't think turning tsw into a logistic management simulator/tycoon would work out. Focus on one thing. Tsw is focused on the actual operation/driving of trains rather than managing them like a tycoon.

What are deployment rides and what do you mean more timetables to get to the starting station?

Announcements is a thing that is easy to say but difficult to actually implement. It is a lot more work than you would think. We don't know how long and how difficult it was for rivet to implement it into their dlc. Even then, it has its issues.

 

Agreed. We already have Syd Meier's Railroad Tycoon in its several iterations covering logistics and the railroad business. There probably isn't room for another like that.
Let DTG focus on trains track and driving though I'm all in with dynamic events, if that's even possible.

I assume " deployment rides " are crew services.

 

So the Antelope line is coming? What locos will they use? Any new ones or the old UP units? Such as the AC4400CW, SD70ACe, SD40-2 and GP38-2?

 

you will have to wait until the 22nd for an announcement of what is coming to tsw

 

At minimum, it's all layers from Sherman Hill.

Since DTG will most likely use a brand new loco for Metrolink, the other unit is either gonna be a reused ACe, AC44, or a ES44 modified from the BNSF C4.

Since the main traffic is intermodal, I would like to see the Maxi IVs get the DTGX (TTX) and hopefully new rolling stock in a proper 5-unit 53ft Spinecar or 3-unit 57ft spine car with proper 53ft dry vans.

But this is all speculation, we don't know till Tuesday.

 

Someone in my discord server came up with these images. I don’t have the URL for where they came from. One appears to be a map of Vorarlberg, then 2 more trams, a European building and a doll face (?!?).

 

Is it possible that Antelope does not mean Antelope Valley Line?
Those icons don't look anything like what runs on that line.

 

The last one is a map of Voralberg, so I'd say that is pretty much confirmed.
I'm not sure about "Antelope", what rolling stock was on the line historically? From the icons, it looks like a light rail line.

 

Reminder that Los Angeles used to have a very robust streetcar and interurban system before the buses took over, they still have some light rail, but it isn't what it used to be.

 

Yeah I believe the LA Metro system has some light rail lines.
But the Antelope Valley Line is Metrolink and very much an American heavy rail route.

Those icons make me think Antelope means something entirely different.
A historic streetcar/light rail route just doesn't seem like something they would do as part of the *quote unquote* big summer release.

(Insert here the usual disclaimer about me possibly being wrong. My gut feeling is at work.)

 

Perhaps it is AI trams on LA Metro like in Edinburgh. Otherwise perhaps it's a period route with streetcars? I don't know enough about the line either way.

 

But AI trams just don't seem like something that's achievement worthy. I'm assuming those are achievement icons.

I'm perplexed because Antelope Valley Line wouldn't surprise me as a headliner route. It's probably an interesting run with challenging grades.

Those tram icons have me thrown now.

 

Believe the icons are for tier 1 mastery, which someone explained earlier is usually just decals for the livery editor, but sometimes could be dioramas. With LAUPT having the Metro line right next to the main platforms a diorama could be used there, or at Metros small yard circled in red.

(Note the green line is the Antelope Valley Line)

 

Okay I see. Interesting

Either way I'm open minded about the possible Antelope Valley Line, or any US passenger route for that matter.
The only one I outwardly want to see is the speculated ECML South

 

Maybe mastery reward lvl 2 - change AI trams models. But why they are 2 of them?

 

Maybe one Edinburgh and one for Croydon?

 

What is that strange face ?

 

Those icons are decals. (Mastery level 1).
Dioramas are Mastery level 2. Those were not found yet.

Decals unlocked by Mastery level 1 do not always relate to the route.
They do for the Austrian, as it is the first route in that country, but we already have lots of US routes, hence more generic decals.
Most of the Austrian ones were found first by me.
There were 12 for the Austrian route, 5 for Antelope.
Since the leak, they were taken down by DTG.

 

What can we except in term of rolling stock with the Vorarlberg ?

 

My guess, Talent for regional service, Taurus for freight. Maybe some austrian IC-coaches.
And maybe later a Railjet as loco-DLC, or 1144 with Austrian Dostos.
But nothing confirmed as of now.

 

I don’t know but it looks like the stuff of nightmares.

 

Yea. It's right next to the unused Haymarket depot. You pass it on the West Side approach to Haymarket

 

Does Africa have much of a railway? Cause that continent is Africa apparently. I searched the image with Google lense.

 

lux#4689 good to know. I don't pay much attention to the "gamey" progression side of TSW so I had no idea how mastery worked.

 

An UP Gevo would be nice!

 

I looked at it with a human eye and that ain't Africa.

 

SPG is a really good route both timetable wise and scenery. They realised that people would pay the same for one train and far less distance do here we are.

 

I was playing the Pacific Surfliner route on TSC which by the way is a good route .Very scenic. But I can tell why they probably picked the Antelope valley line and not the Amtrak Pacific Surfliner, Orange county line, San Bernardino line. It probably would have taken twice as long to make for the other routes in metrolink because of the terrain. I know on TSC route heads south and is very dence with buildings and houses. The Antelope line is more isolated, less traffic. Which means less you have to worry about. But not good for us. They probably just got the metrolink license and maybe had to use it or lose it. I don't know I guess we will find out soon. Below is the map for TSC pacific surfliner route, the branch you see heading north is the Antelope line. One by asset that probably will be missing is the Amtrak trains which is unfortunately. Funny enough when the Pacific surfliner route came out they didn't have the license.The trains were unbranded.

 

The only thing that come close the mask and is Vorarlberg region is this: An Austrian Perchtenmaske. (A mask for winter festival and the mask represent evil spirits and demons)

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You mean Coaster and Metrolink? Yes, like Tri Rail from Miami - West Palm Beach. But Amtrak trains was licensed on both routes.

 

The mask one is Krampus....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus

Is on December the 5th with Saint Nicholas. You have some railtour events ass well

 

No it's Krampus....
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krampus

 

All these mentions of the season pass, tier 2 rewards , and other things from multiplayer games annoy me... This smacks of very bad news for players(

 

The Mastery rewards have been a thing for TSW since 2, maybe earlier. It isn't a new thing and most are 2 tiered.

 

Nothing so far has been discovered that suggests any changes to how TSW normally works. Season passes have always been in the game. The loco bundles for examples are labeled season passes. Mastery rewards and their tiers have always been in the game since forever I guess.

 

All the mastery that have been discovered for the TSW4-routes are Tier1, so decals ....
No Tier2 discovered do far

 

I do find it interesting that british ace is streaming TSC's ECML South after having just been at what looked like an ambassador event at DTG's office

 

He probably just likes the route. You never know. It could be a hint but that's probably a bit of a stretch comming from the Ambassadors.

 

He has a history of streaming the TSC versions of upcoming TSW content. That's why I found it interesting.

 

NEC New York at TSW and Peninsula Corridor had passenger and freight services too.