Tsw 4 *spoiler Alert You Have Been Warned*.

What bothers me the most is the effect the evolution from standard 4:3 to 16:9 widescreen has had on our own aspect ratios.

 

Now is modern, everything else is history. All TSW routes and trains are historic. Do I win £10?

 

While we're talking about period- I have to say I'm somewhat amused that somebody in DTG's NPC costume department assumed that flower-power Carnaby Street fashion was already a thing in 1962. (TLDR: "The Sixties" in the hippie sense didn't start until 1966, '65 in San Francisco)

 

Why did we talk about all that in the first place ?

 

To pass the time until Tuesday

 

Show them an invention from the modern era: the smartphone. They have never seen one, hand them a few and they won't give a peep for the entirety of the trip.

 

Fair point

 

Tuesday

Spoiler

Sorry Matt and JD. I'm bad at Photoshop and... at humor. I hope this doesn't offend you.

 

LMAO

 

After more than 3,000 posts on the subject of August 22nd, what else is left to talk about? Is there any room for more speculation, anything new on the " leak " front? We might as well just chew the fat for the next 48 hours. I'm gonna play some trains. Whatever happens, there'll always be trains

There has, of course, been zero comment from DTG which could mean either the speculators are correct and we all now pretty much know what's coming. Or they've been sitting in their offices in Chatham laughing their collective socks off at all the misinformation these myriad threads have produced.

I hope the news on Tuesday makes everyone happy. I expect it will be an anticlimax for some people.

Either way it'll be a fun day on the forums!!

 

£10? Thought it was only a £5 pet!!

 

The odd thing with North America, is since alot of our locomotives last decades in service, a route set in the 70's or 80's probably would only vary slightly in terms of locos, especially with how little new locos DTG would possibly make for a route, since freightwise the EMD SD40-2 and its close relatives were pretty much the dominate loco on Class 1s since the early 70's till the late 90's. Amtrak's F40PH's started in the mid 70's and stuck around till the early 2000's, replaced by the P40/42DCs, which are now reaching 30 years of service at this point.

 

But at least we could get different operators that aren't in business anymore, like SP, BN, WP, Conrail, and all the other more or less famous and (compared to UP and BSNF) colorful counterparts.

UP's liveries aren't the most interesting to look at in my opinion.

 

Only way I see that being enjoyable is if DTG gets alternative liveries for boxcars and such, Clinchfield manifests are a borefest to look at as all the Boxcars say Clinchfield, no C&O, no Seaboard, no L&N etc.

 

All I will say is my face after reading all of that must have been a very interesting sight.

Ok I will also just reiterate that I am not wanting every route to be historic but at the minute the ratio is far too heavily slanted in the modern direction. There should be an equal split between both era and region as we still haven't had any ER routes.

Last thing, promise, sprinters are most definitely modern and even HSTs, which had their engines replaced in the late noughties, are.

 

I didn't see this before. Ok fair enough the race track is quite dull scenery wise but better than Cross to Posh and when you get near Newcastle it is absolutely stunning. The racetrack in a VP 185 HST is a blast but even in an 80x or 225 it is still a good section of track, in a Deltic though it really comes out of it's shell. I make a promise to you that Posh to cross is a very dull section of track because unless you stop and Stevenage it is 76 miles of nothingness, then stop at Kings cross and do it again in the other direction. Dull as dishwater.

 

In Belgium we also refurbish our trains but we don't call them modern trains we call them old trains that should have been replaced already. Even the Thalys (TGV) is an old train and almost considered a relic of the past.

 

Even without them, a route set in the past with SP running around would break up the yellow / orange domination we currently have and will have in the future for modern fright routes.

 

Yeah, it's the same here in the UK lol. Sticking a newer engine, in an old locomotive doesn't make it a modern train. It's just a slightly upgraded old train.

 

I mean, if its set in the modern day, Its a modern route.
It might have old trains, but if its say, Epping to Ongar, Bluebell or Watercress line, it'd only be a historic route if it was the original form, back when it was still part of the national network? no?

 

No.
It's a route using only steam/old diesel heritage traction. It's a steam/old diesel heritage route.

 

I think there is a huge misunderstanding between "modern route" and "modern era route".

One is determined partially by the rolling stock, the other by the era it's set in.

 

I don't care what line that is for but it shows that DTG know what the Eastern Region looks like! This has made an already good day into a brilliant day. I would be over the moon if the dovetail Direct was just an announcement of the fact that DTG know what and where the old Eastern Region is!

I am really peed off because I have been instructed that I am taking my Mrs to Skeggie on Tuesday as we haven't done that this year. All the days she could have chosen and it had to be the one where DTG may announce they know about the old Eastern region!

 

Of course, back then a fair number of 1st-gens were still in service, including ALCOs,

 

Hallelujah ! (Where did you find this ?)

 

Source link?

 

Looks like a photoshop imo. Look at the difference between the Austrian mastery leak and the ECML one.

 

Yeah several people also tried that exact filename for the website and nothing showed up.
All the other leaks are a gold colour with a gradient, this one is yellow.

 

Yeah, I wouldn’t believe this one. First of all, it looks very photoshopped, and just not like the other mastery awards. Second, the person was unable to provide an actual link to this like the other mastery leaks had, and finally, DTG removed all the masteries so no further ones could be found, so this is 90% false I’m afraid.

 

Does this mean that the other "leaks" are also fake ?

 

No the other two route leaks were actually from the TSW website, and had working links to it for several hours. This one doesn't appear to be.

 

You need to bring receipts
Like it was for Antelope before they shut it down.

 

Still in service, but most were regulated to yard or local work, which is very underwhelming in TSW unless its coal loading.

 

So DTG may not know where the Eastern Region is then. Oh well.

 

Well, in the 70s Amtrak was running a lot of inherited covered wagons

 

That is fake as hell.

 

But that isn't even the original point you were trying to make.
Can't move the goal posts when someone calls you out.

 

The Original point I was trying to make is: It's the traction that makes a route Modern/not modern. So no goal posts were moved.

When people talk about enjoying "modern" routes, they generally mean "modern" traction. They don't mean using traction from the 70s,80s and 90s on a route that just happens to have it's calendar date set to recently. It's the traction that is important, not the date of when the route is set.

That's what I've been advocating for the entire time. So not sure where you are getting goal post moving from.

 

Kinda cool to see that Matt is active on this post. He’s probably laughing at all of our completely incorrect speculation, as well as the hour-long discussion about what modern means

 

To be honest, there's some routes that are modern with old traction such as American freight routes that still use locomotives made from a while ago or certain passenger locomotives. So modern doesn't always mean locomotives only made recently depending on what type of route it is and where

 

We all can wait until Tuesday….. funny enough after that we have to wait 35 days for TSW4…… maybe we might get it early the Thursday before like last year for those that order the deluxe edition

 

General question about 717. I know the cab is different. But how about the traction sounds an interior. How different is it from the 700. I know for sure the door closing sound are different that the 700.

 

I hope the announcement will also bring at least an extra 35 days of excitement to the forum.

 

Don't worry for the 35 days we will find another way to do a 50 pages open letter to DTG

 

Countdown to Dovetail Direct!
6 Hours to go!
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo...etail+Direct+Livestream+&font=sanserif&csz=1#

 

You are 1 day early

 

I can only assume he means 6 hours to go until JD simply can't hold back any longer and leaks the whole thing!

 

Oops.
New one:
https://www.timeanddate.com/countdo...vetail+Direct+Livestream+&font=sanserif&csz=1

 

Choose Rationalisation, choose one handle, choose PIS, choose GSMR that isn't actually GSMR, choose massive stations with most of the trains missing, choose signals stuck at red, choose only modern stuff as older stuff doesn't sell (except steam) , choose seats you can't sit in, choose AI with no sounds, choose trains you can ride round on right now and maybe even get a job working on. Choose pianos, Choose Moths, choose anything except trains with character that sell out events week after week.