Ecml Peterborough- Doncaster

The route should have continued onto York, DTG missed a big opportunity to include the NRM and the 158 in northern livery, as well as a class 91 which was heavily requested. Happy the 800 is coming to TSW though? I made this thread as a way to keep tabs on the route. What are your thoughts on the flying Scotsman

 

Kings Cross to Grantham would have been a better choice. They get the high speed LNER stuff and then can use their Thameslink for stoppers. Best of both worlds. As it stands they now only get 5 stations. 2 of which are start and finish. Utter joke.

 

The IET and Flying Scotsman are the only decent bits of this route. The IET if only for Creator Club scenarios on GWE and Scotsman as it could layer onto any modern UK route

 

They missed the opportunity to add the 91 and if it went up to York they could have added the NRM as a training centre

 

I hope the 801 layers at Edinburgh on Scotrail Express

 

The dullest bit of the dullest mainline in the UK. Score!

 

I'm happy to finally be getting a long modern intercity option in the UK. We've had a enough of the accelerate, aws, stop, doors, accelerate, aws, stop, doors, accelerate, aws, stop, doors, accelerate, aws, stop doors EMU routes for the last while.

The 395 is also one of my favourite trains in the game so I've always wanted one of the (somewhat) similar Class 8xx. I don't mind 5 stations, plenty of other routes for UK if you want to stop every mile or less.

 

Thinking about it now.
They should have built the ECML from Stevenage to Doncaster.
Then we could have used the Class 700 from Stevenage to Peterborough instead of it being Ai only.
Mike.

 

They've chosen 3 boring routes tbh. Even the highly requested ECML is lack luster. Pure snoozefest

 

A shame they didn’t include York. Would have been great to have it in TSW. Good that the Azuma is coming to the game.

 

This is sooooo disappointing why not the 800?...!!!!

 

The 801s and 800s are virtually identical aside from the 800s being bi-mode and having the long range diesels.

 

Bit of an odd choice for the ECML, if the route builder declined to do Kings Cross to Peterborough then maybe Newcastle to Edinburgh or even York to Newcastle. At least you would have had the iconic crossing of the River Tyne. Really a bit of a route from nowhere to nowhere. Also a Class 8xx Knotweed. Bit of a turn off for me, one handled overpowered modern plastic train. Hoping for a Deltic was probably wishful thinking but why couldn't they have gone for the Class 91 and HST era? Still I suppose it's better than just getting Kings Cross to Hitchin as many of us were predicting, but leaves nowhere for the Class 700 to run than its bus service on SEHS.

 

But everyone wanted a 800.

 

And thus starts the "DTG should have done x-y-z posts :')

 

Not everyone wanted it

 

Completely missed opportunity if you ask me. Quite frankly a random part of the route to do, no HST, no new freights locos/workings.

They have all they need to make London - Peterborough.

my only guess is they didn’t have time to make Kings Cross and all the infrastructure around London. Maybe one day we can get an extension to include this.

But yet again you’re just working a small section of a service that just doesn’t make sense.

 

I’m thinking DTG are going to give ECML the SEHS treatment, they will extend it southward or northward at some point, because the route will be popular, not to mention the editor in which I’m very frank someone will start on the ECML as soon as it drops

 

So the only UK route is PBO-DON. This is most unfortunate because I only really enjoy the UK routes and they have massively hit the bar on this one.

No 91?
No HST?
No Freight?
Presumably there is an EMR 158 layer?

There’s really not much going on between PBO and DON, very few intermediate stations, not much in the way of exciting infrastructure.

That’ll be a no from me I’m afraid, perhaps if another UK route comes along that is enticing I’ll go for it. However Dovetail have gambled here and i don’t think it will pay off.

 

Does the editor allow modifications of existing routes though?
Or is its going to only allow new custom routes for the purpose of licensing?

 

I'm very annoyed that the Flying Scotsman is locked behind a paywall, which includes a bunch of other stuff I'm not going to play. (I only play UK dlcs.) Surely it would be better to do regional dlc bundles again e.g. ECML plus Flying Scotsman.

 

I can’t believe these [EDIT - Jan - Language] have done a boring, low requested part of a highly requested line

 

It allows modification of existing routes

 

They confirmed on the stream that there would be freight services (layers presumably) and there will be a layer for the 158.

 

Actually Kings Cross is (at least partially) already modelled in game... its right next to St Pancras so you can see it if you free cam around in SEHS.

 

as much as most are disappointed in the location of the route a few suggestions. hope we get the drag moves for with a 66 or 37 465.

class 66 needs to be GBRF as that Peterborough yard is gbrf mostly

will we have new wagons to represent like the plasmor train as such .

what about hull trains that use some of the station for future add ons

a class 91 would be apricated un the future.

why just the electric azuma what about the other vairents of 800 used by lner, also guard scenario like in the latest route would be fun.

this could be the start of greatness but one day kings cross shall hopefully be done for the needs of people who love that part of the line and im sure dtg_jd will love to pass his home town in game like in real life.

 

I hope we get an 800 and 91

 

Very excited about this, in the perfect era. More stops than I thought there would be for the Azuma. Plus the Flying Scotsman? Almost perfect.
I hope for an extension up to York, or down to Kings cross. Doubly so if it can be done in the new editor.

 

I’m

lll have a suggestion for a York extension up by tonight

 

Whilst I am not overly excited over the scope of the route, that is just downright insulting and uncalled for!

 

Ok, maybe you’re right. But this isn’t the first time dtg have taken a highly requested route and made the wrong part of it

 

Not for me, another middle of a route, unrealistic run. Rather meh imo, think tsw4 as a whole is very underwhelming, think I’ll sit this one out.

 

I mean, its either, the northern part with equally as few stations or layers, or its the southern portion which, for lack of a better descrition is just a GWE clone but with 700s and 800s

 

Not even close to a GWE clone at all

 

I was thinking that, until the JT route, and that might be the only reason I swap m

 

High speed express with one maybe two stops, and metro style every station stops.
Whether is it an identical clone or not...
It's still basically the same thing.
Just different trains

 

Very disappointed if I'm honest - really wanted the ECML South with the iconic King's Cross and so wanted the Class 700/1. The Doncaster-Peterborough route sounds a bit dull/boring and possibly empty in terms of variety of services if mainly just high-speed Azuma services.

 

Pretty cool with this route tbh, will be a nice run imo. I guess KX to Peterborough would be a mammoth amount of work with all those stations.
But they still persevere with those awful looking speed signs! The excellent news is that we have an editor, maybe there will be a way to create new sign assets at last.

 

They could have done something special like Edinburgh to Newcastle(a normal crew change point) and utilised the almost fully modelled Waverley, populating a sparse station. Had 385’s as far as the north Berwick branch giving a properly populated route.

Or alternatively the King’s Cross to Peterborough section and used the 700, giving more of a run with it.

Appreciate impossible to do a full route of this size but to give a section in the middle just seems very illogical to me. Guessing because most of the scenery is just fields, but you’re charging for a new game, so why not push the boundaries?

So underwhelmed.

 

I think DTG have more in store for the route, I’m speculating a southern extension, would make it the longest route in TSW, but a man can dream

 

I get your point. I like the frequent stops and what this route will be. It’s the variety.

 

Would love that. Southern extension to Kings Cross would make it the best route in TSW in my opinion.

 

Not aiming this at you but we have all speculated a lot on how when they put in big stations with one train that they must be planning to build it as a hub kind of thing but they are so far yet to do it, so it is very much wishful thinking.

 

Who knows there may be future routes in both directions. Look at the evolution of sehs in the past year.

 

I guess it shows DTG don't really listen to the consumers, if at all.

 

Yeah, we're really going to wait a year for them to do something they should of done first of all

 

Sadly, but look on the flip side we got SEHX, so I won’t rule out an EC extension, plus we have the editor

 

I could be wrong but sometime soon may get to see ECML extended down to Kings Cross with the 91 like with SEHS, I think that would be good for the best of both worlds.

 

I am not sure about extensions because there seem to be limits with how big the routes can be but as they build the collection of correct stock I like the idea of basically adjoining routes. For example in the US side, they've done the northeast corridor with 2 different pieces (Boston-Providence and New York-Trenton). The NEC itself goes from Boston to just pas Washington DC, so now they have all the assets and rolling stock to keep adding more pieces (which is great). The downside to that is of course when they do that another side of the table argues that the route is "too similar".

 

Further more, I believe the player base has vastly dropped, hence why they've gone nuclear and are releasing a new iteration. If the player base was there like 2020 and 2, they would of worked on 3 for another year