Incorrect, I never specified who was or wasnt a Whale, but as the saying goes, "if the shoe fits...."
The price range does not change one bit about the point of the argument. They are failing their promises over and over again, yet people are willingly throwing money at them. Just see how much will actually materialize from their TSW4 roadmap. Not much, I guess.
release slots are different matter they will fall to be an issue with TSW4 most likely aswell my point is DTG have said “they” won’t be updating TSW3 not that skyhook or any other party are banned and can’t submit updates after doing them. Until DTG or Skyhook etc confirms they are banned they ain’t. (Which they probably won’t do as they admit to not doing updates when they can) skyhook has responsibility DTG have no reason to deny them their right to change their product.
if you want any of the things you paid for to be supported with fixes and improvements you need to buy it, even if you dont want any of the content from tsw4. they might not be putting you at gunpoint, but eventually if you want some of your stuff to work you need to pay so there is no other option
The point re release slots was tongue-in-cheek. That excuse has been BS from day 1, most people knew it and it still irks me that they kept on saying it thinking we were all just that stupid. You don’t seem to understand how the process works. I can say without a shadow of a doubt that once the Trenton patch comes (if it ever comes) TSW3 is dead in the water. No more patches will come for it. Full stop. Period. End of scene.
This is the crux of the argument IMO. The route bundle is a distraction from the fact that there is really VERY little being upgraded from TSW3>TSW4, from a gameplay perspective. Creator's club stuff is cool but secondary to gameplay IMO, and the editor won't even be available on console. If they charged for the upgrades as a standalone package, it would be hard to justify a even a $10 price IMO. Now, why DTG don't just take the hit and provide the core update for free is a question only they can answer.
most likely not no more patches as third parties don’t seem to be interested in updating content as much as DTG don’t. could trying asking Maik if he could still update the G6 in TSW3 or not ? He may be the best one to ask this about. That would probably get the answer, but as I’ve said DTG haven’t said they’ve banned them or not and neither has the 3rd parties. Their content that they hold responsibility for.
I quite like the look of the new routes and features. Voralberg and Antelope look nice. Be interesting to see how good the dualshock haptic stuff is too.
You don't need to spend $50 even to get TSW4. If you buy any of the single bundles you get one of the new routes AND TSW4 core for $39 USD... which is basically the same price as what a route DLC would have cost for TSW3. So in other words TSW4 is basically free for anyone that is interested in even one of the new routes. I mean DTG can't please EVERYONE but I think most should be pleased with at least one of the incoming routes.
Oh so the price makes the difference, ok. My bad. So when you get a rotten steak for 30 dollars, and the chef tells you he will fix it, only months later he asks you to pay again to get the good one, you're happy, got it.
DTG Matt Would you mind shining a bit of light on this one? TSC does free core updates, why doesn't TSW? The routes could still be the same bundle they are.
I mean if a chef served me a rotten steak I wouldn't eat it and wouldn't ask for more. So if you want to compare TSW to that maybe you're better off just not playing it at all, lol.
I also don't like that content-policy, but this is one of the very few train simulators for Consoles, so...
would work better if we’re just paying the same price, all it would do is stop blocking people from buying new routes if they don’t pick up one of the editions with the base
That's a terrible analogy. TSW3 is perfectly serviceable, I've noticed VERY few bugs, and the vast majority of them are minor. It is not the broken, bug riddled mess people are portraying it as. I haven't even encountered a single bug in the last week other than the passenger pathing being wonky. Which is a miniscule issue.
Is the pricing out yet? I'll probably just go for the top deluxe edition either way. You get everything then I assume.
Except: The German Package is obsolete if you own Dresden ... so if you consider this, the price for TSW4 Standalone is 35,99 Euro ...
Now now, Children! *sigh* Jesus Tap-Dancing Christ… I’ve never seen such a toxic forum. Been on here ages and I have seen a lot of wingeing and moaning before but wow. It’s a game for crying out loud. I too am aware that it’s a new game and some don’t have the money for the upgrade etc, but there will be a time when a new route comes that you will like. Choose one of the routes you prefer out of the three and buy the regional packs if you’re that concerned. I personally will be buying the deluxe pack. I’m not so fussed on the location of the ECML, I’m not interested in the American route, and the Austrian route isn’t personally my favourite choice for an Austrian route. I’m not the greatest fan of Scrap Heap Challenge either, but I am very excited for the potential about what this game has to offer. The new JT route will also have a lot of variety which I am interested in. Either put up, or [EDIT - Jan - Language] Pardon the language for the forums behalf, but that is extremely tame on my behalf.
It’s out there’s a special edition priced higher than deluxe. I’m not getting that because I have those routes already. It’s on the website
Looking again at the stream and this really sounds like a huge update. People should be less selfish and not only look at what they themselves want and need. When I look at the ease of use improvements I see a lot of stuff I think 'now you add this; why did you not add this when I started playing this game?". It feels like the game will become very accessible to new players. I think this is a huge win. I really do understand almost nobody of the "well knowns" on this forum have any use for such features but I can only applaud that the most important part of this game is not ignored. "how do I start this train" won't be a FAQ anymore if well implemented.
If DTG was to expend their limited resources on fixing every minor, inconsequential bug, they wouldn't have the resources to continue new content development and they would go out of business. We're not talking about support a limited handful of DLC's, but rather an indefinitely growing collection of new content. Each DLC released places an additional burden on a limited number of staff with a limited amount of time who now have additional bugs to fix on their plate in addition to their responsibilities creating new content. I'm sure DTG will continue to address the most pressing bugs and issues as that is their responsibility, however the editor now opens up the possibility for individual developers to craft their own patches and fixes to more minor issues, freeing up resources for DTG staff to focus more time and energy on producing quality content and faster resolution of the most pressing bugs and issues. Additionally, they will have a vast pool of talent they could potentially turn to for solutions to issues they haven't quite figured out on their own. It's a win-win for everybody.
For the people all saying it's disgusting and how's it all Dovetails fault, if you look beyond your mile high walled viewpoint and see the bigger picture, your find the main drive is just the historical trend of capitalism and flow of its waters, everybody can see in their lifetime how you have steadily got less for paying more and how things aren't made to last and this is the digital version of that flow of said capitalism, so really nobody can cry about it, it's been happening for bloody ages at this point........
I completely agree, the toxicity on this forum is so unbelievably high and while Tsw isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, it certainly doesn't deserve the level of hate that it gets from some people.
Another point I will make - so consider the fact that when FIFA, COD, Battlefield etc is released for updates to their game - they release an entire new game. You do not keep any progress etc from the previous games either. Farming Simulator is the same if I remember correctly. You get to keep your old DLC - you aren’t loosing anything.
It’s a good point. it’s really very simple. Tsw4 is a product on a shelf. Dtg is going to do with it what they want. Folks can choose to do with it what they want
Well said. I too have my slight annoyances every now and then with some of the DLCs etc, but I can also appreciate how much goes into these games. I get frustrated but then again, I get on with it. That’s life. I know that with time (sometimes a long time), fixes come and other parts are upgraded. I’m still slightly annoyed the link between Lewes and Wivelsfield is still missing but I get on with life and play other DLCs and play the same routes and locos. It does make me wonder how small some peoples lives are to come on and literally try and persuade people to boycott over a video game…
Bold of you to assume the Trenton patch will even be released for TSW3. I anticipate it will be the same story as the TSW2 Preservation Crew updates. They will keep repeating "it releases in a few weeks" until they release TSW5 next year.
It does a great but very well but it’s not perfect. Dtg has been steadily albeit slowly making it better. As it is I’ve gotten my moneys worth from tsw3. I have hundreds of hours of gameplay left though. The good thing is even though there’s a new game I can merge my old stuff into it.
Having the lights on my PS5 controller have the same color as the signalling is so genius. Why was that not on my Wishlist?
Because they are different games....And TSW is a console game. What are console games known for. Charging for every new addition. Simple
I was laughing in Leipzig lst night. I had no less than 20 of the same woman black dress brown hair walk down the stairs enter the train and then magically warp to their seats. Some even sat together. Some times the quirkiness of it is amusing. It’s the stuff like impossible golds that frustrate you. Good example is linke rheinstrecke 5 out of the first 8 services couldn’t be started or competed due to dispatching issues. They’re gone now. This game hs given me years of relaxation. It’s a different kind of game other than like gta or assasins creed.
Unless you're on console, right? Even if your best case scenario unfolds, it only benefits 1/3 of the community. I still don't think DTG having less pressure to fix bugs is a good thing. Think we'll have to agree to disagree on that. Edit: Are console users getting a discount for a lesser product? I think we all know they're not!
They have steadily fixed bugs over the past year. Sure there’s some on their list I’m still looking for they’ll get to it. This isn’t ea or one of the other mega developers. Patience is needed
