They've already ruled out extending routes. I really doubt this will ever happen again. SEHSX was more hastle than it was worth according to the streams. And a dlc for a dlc isn't a great business idea, especially as it really limits the potential audience
Which streams??? I only ever saw it being celebrated as a success and culmination of the vision they wanted to deliver. The DLC for DLC argument stands for low-fi routes, not huge juggernauts like SEHS and BML that people would either buy over or accept as extensions in buying an annual pack…
thanks, though I choose not to believe that BML will be the sole RH route not upgraded, given its profile, nor that the 700 isn’t integrated when the gaps in the timetable were left there and the plan was to integrate it into the route. Might need some work, but that is how they will sell it as an upgrade or extension
MML preview stream stands out as the most memorable one, Matt says that once a route is 'baked', adding new track is a monster headache, which is why alot of the sidings, yards and loops were added but not yet used, while scenery is a simple fix.
I cannot understand the logic here. Are they trying to market to children who will be sold by the ‘longest route’ and ‘high speed’ bit? Are they just trying to same money. not ECML specific but I’m very disappointed each route only has one train. Not even recycled stuff, like an MP36PH+bilevels, HST+700+387 etc. Maybe they’re holding it all in reserve for loco DLC they can flog later when sales start to flatten.
Believe it or not, that's what most of the complaints have been. "Route too short" or "slow pace, I want my 125mph stretch". Next it will be a route that takes 160 minutes to do one service. Everyone complains that DTGs routes are aren't long enough.
But I believe it was mentioned that there will be a marketplace for people using the editor to post their stuff so that console players can download their creations.
Am I right in thinking people will now be able to paint the Class 43 in LNER colours and run it on the ECML? Also, the Pacer was in service at the same time the Azuma visited Doncaster, so could that also be painted to be present at Doncaster (it did immediately diverge off towards Sheffield via Conisborough).
To be honest the route hasn't changed really in the last 5 years apart from what runs on it and the odd signal. You'll easily be able to run a East Coast, VTEC or LNER hst and it will look quite at home. The only big difference is the Werrington underpass which allows trains on the old Midland-Great Northern Joint Line to pass under the ECML running lines. I don't know if they will model it completed or under construction.
I do hope they at least layer the EMT 158 into one of the Doncaster bays and Newark Northgate on Platform 3. I know it will be running between Grantham and Peterborough anyway. A pacer in Northern livery would be ideal, especially since they have the license. Although Northern may not allow their livery on a Pacer in the game due to its poor standing with their customers. Lumo and Hull Trains 5 car 80x units would be nice to see as Ai. Lumo doesn't stop anywhere on the route but Hull Trains stops at Doncaster, Retford and Grantham so could potentially be layered in as a playable service. They have a licence with First already for GWR so maybe they will extend that to Lumo or Hull Trains? Lumo has to be the easiest livery to create anyway.
Yes, I’ve no interest in the 801. However, in the stream it appears to be an 801/1 (5-car) with the images showing it running in pairs to form a 10-car train. If I correctly understand the way substitution in timetable mode works, you have to replace a train with one with the same number of vehicles. That means a modder could replace a 10-car 801 with an HST with 8 trailers (the 2 power cars making it a 10 vehicle train) which would be a realistic length. The GWE HST, although the wrong colour (which could be fixed) has the same power unit as the GNER HSTs, so would be ideal. I also wonder whether this might be possible for us mere-mortals to do using the new editor.
Unfortunately the Gwr license expired and Dtg have as yet been unable to renew it, there still allowed to sell Gwe but they can't make/sell any brand new content.
Ah, OK. The trains with 9-cars could have 2+7 HSTs put on them, which wouldn’t be the end of the world. 8 or 9 trailers is more normal on the ECML, but 7 is not unheard of.
Looking a the potential Timetable by looking at realtime trains for 8/24 I see the following numbers: LNER- 161 services EMR-24 (only includes the Norwich- Livepool lime st ZZ- Freight- 32
The 158 layers in. On the route. I cant remember how many services for ECML were on the one I played last week. Hentis
Not sure if this has been replied to but if you look in the screenshot on the faq you can see the 9 car version so it appears we will get both subclasses
It's been answered by Dtg Matt in another thread somewhere that they're preference was to do a 800 but Lner would only provide them with an 801 to get all of there reference material.
I can see why the Class 801 has been included as many have been suggesting it along with the ECML, having a derivative of IET in game will allow these to be repainted and used on other routes in scenario planner (some of the liveries are quite basic so not much skill required - GWR, EMR and Lumo spring to mind) I can also see the appeal of Flying Scotsman (100 years old, one of the most recognized locos in the world, “officially” the first loco over 100mph etc) although apart from a couple of railtour layers it holds little extra value in the route overall. (It’s far from my favorite, and I’d have much preferred Mallard, the true king of Stoke Bank! But that’s another story! And even that would be limited in only layering in anywhere as a railtour layer on a route like this or indeed any other route currently in game) I too am quite disappointed at the route not making it to York, I know it’s an extra 30 odd miles but it would take you to the home of Flying Scotsman at the NRM, Doncaster does seem like a random stop point where again you pick up a service from the AI and drive to a point where you leave the service to continue on with AI, neither being a true end of service destination. Maybe we will the the IC225 sets appear at DLC (that would interest me!) and maybe we will see route extensions, who knows?
If they don't make a IC225 DLC I would be very surprised. They are still in use, and plenty of people would want them. Would add more variety and more life to the route. It's a win/win.
This section of line is the section I have craved most, as it is the best part of the line. DTG really didn't sell it well last night but there is a lot of service variety and scenic interest. Although the mileage between stations is large you have got to remember that you are doing 125mph most of the time which is 2 miles every minute! I couldn't think of a better route (ok York would have been nice) To all those saying it should have been Posh to Cross I completely disagree, not only is that section of line dull a to b on the highspeed but it wouldn't be focused on the highspeed but commuter runs which we have ample amounts of already. This route will give you a taster into actual proper intercity train driving. I do wish the GWE HST could have been refurbed though ideally the route would have been in the 70s! Not only this but it passes through England's best county for the first time in TSW in the process. Overall will be a very good route.
I'm more optimistic today and trust your feedback. Maybe is because the long awaited NJT timetable is finally lauching. I'm actually more upbeat today than i was yesturday. Your correct they could have done a better job at selling it. Who knows maybe a future UK route that will feature the AC 700 is on the horizon.
Maybe ATS are making Kings Cross - Peterbough with the IC 225, and we'll get the best of both. Have them layer on each other.
Yes, I have lived with in a mile of this section of line for all my life and have walked, cycled and driven through the countryside all my life along working on it and if DTG convey it how it is in real life it will be a great route. I am expecting to have not only my current house but 3/4 previous houses included in the route which will be nice!
Put simply as possible 800s can be used on either diesel or electric power, 801s are purely EMUs, though each unit has a single power pack for limp mode. If you like I can link a post I made which goes into a bit more detail about the 8xx differences.
The 800 is a bi-mode unit that can operate on both diesel and electric power, the 801 is almost purely electric.
Looking on maps, I don't think Peterborough to Doncaster will be too bad, actually. It's not dead flat landscape as Hitchin to Peterborough would have been, line skirts the Lincolnshire Wolds around Grantham with Stoke Summit and Tunnel to the south and Gonerby (?) Tunnel to the north. It also curves round a fair bit, you have the famous Newark Flat Crossing and of course numerous yards at Doncaster, hopefully at least some of which are useable.
