Enough Is Enough!!!

“Most in-depth and well received products” LOL the double standard AP’s recent releases have been horribly overpriced and average AT best, the only few above average products recently have been the 800 and the 87 (both models which aren’t even APs products) and even the 800 had a few issues, so what if they don’t use flashy effects in their trailers. Their products suck and are horribly overpriced for what you actually get. AP are a very shady company that only have a foothold in the Train Sim Community because of their old stuff. Their new stuff sucks, why do you think they turned off their comments because literally everyone apart from Alan and a few other people believes that their new stuff sucks. AP are heading toward being as bad as DTG if not worse. You can’t even play a few routes or scenarios on TSC because of AP. They delist routes and scenarios and make them unplayable. AP are such a bogus company. Only a few people haven’t seen through it. For a company that charges 17.99 - 22.99 for a few reskins and one of two new features you seem to prefer them over DTG a lot

 

I'm really struggling to see where the problem of a free update lies. You can install TSW3's core game on it's own (with no content other than Training Centre) and I assume it's a similar case with TSW4 so I'm baffled as to why any upgrade can't just be a version swop via a simple patch.... At least that way, those who want to take advantage of the three route bundle can do so and those who want to purchase a different route at a later date can also do so.

Unless I'm missing something stupidly obvious then it does strike me that DTG are deliberately making the process sound a lot more complicated than it actually is....and i'm failing to see why they would actually want to do that. After all, getting everyone onboard with TSW4 will make it far easier for them to achieve their ultimate goal of completely washing their hands of TSW3 than it would by leaving behind hanger-oners who refuse to make an enforced purchase.

Disclaimer: I don't actually own TSW3 (I was a gamepass freeloader) so therefore am not saying the above because I want or feel entitled to receive anything for free. I'm just stating that sometimes a little common sense solves a whole host of problems

 

We shall see. Remember it's not just about developing in Unreal Engine, but developing in DTG's specific modification of Unreal Engine for TSW.

They transform it if you're the sort of person who prefers to look at the sky rather than focus on driving.

 

What you see out of the window can add an extra layer of immersion to preceedings so it is quite important what the view is like. Besides, if the sky was full of dancing pixels and lego block clouds you too would be looking in an upwards direction.....all the time

 

Well it isn't without the AP pack. What it is varies depending on the route, but is always at least acceptable.

 

I love using the new skydome and clouds on my own built route and other routes. It´s given the TSC a whole new life. Looks amazing!

That´s what you think. I could not disagree more...

I´ll agree with you on this point.... all my TSC content ist heavily moded. If you know anything about the german community, they have a "rebuild" of every german release. If your running them, it´s all good.

I have been hearing that for 6-7 years now... and it´s still going.

That´s why I´m looking forward to TSW editor and getting ready for a future, where TSC might die at some point.

100%... I´m happy to see Train Sim World moving ahead and becoming a real alternative in the future.

 

Shouldn't we bring the Why-TSW-is-better-than-TSC discussion to the TSC forum? I've noticed a lot TSC users have never heard of the paid upgrade gospel. They really need our songs of TSW praise so they also can see the light and live forever in Train Sim Heaven.

Hallelujah

 

I don't think TSC will die, there are still people using MSTS or using it in Open Rails at least. I still have a place for TSC on my hard drive and it will take years of TSW development to get to the point where it can match TSC for its library of routes and stock etc. For example I can't see steam being as well represented on TSW as it is on TSC for a generation, if it ever will be. Particularly, when you factor in for the UK at least, the pleothora of TSC steam period payware models many still being developed and the large amount of freeware routes, again which are still being produced.

 

You start them off and we will hum along in the background!

 

I mean they are stopping updates for TSW2 for some reason so that's the people who are playing TSW2 are missing out and then they have to pay £30 just to play the missing updates which aren't present on TSW2.

 

Actually he gives an honest view about routes. He is not the only person that shares similar views yet somehow if that is the case, they have to be criticized for it

 

This is really my favourite TSW YouTuber. I never watch any of the ambassadors videos as they never tell the whole story. Can't I like him because his views are not the same as mine? Clearly because someone likes TSW4 they should hate everyone who dislikes TSW4. I'm not that person.

 

I watch that guy as well and I do agree with him DTG should stop charging £30 for short and linear routes.

 

It wasn't directed to you. It was a general statement because I'm sure someone will just bash him for his honest reviews

 

What one is this please

 

It sounds like the entire Tesla saga since Musk bought it until now

 

What??

 

Yes there are a lot of routes in TSC that even with a more freely available editor will probably never come to TSW. Not to mention steam traction which still needs much work in TSW. That said, it’s probably a month or more since I last fired up TSC, cat game distraction notwithstanding, every time I’ve wanted trains it has been TSW. Run 8, Derail Valley, DRS and MSTS/OR also sit similarly dormant on my HD. So if I ever need to triage for space, it will be interesting to contemplate what might go. If the route editing in TSW4 turns out not too bad, then that puts a huge ??? over keeping TSC on the laptop and indeed Trainz for Surveyor.

 

It's a joke.

 

I disagree. I can do this with any vehicle you like.
Class 158?
How is this...

More accurate than this...


Again... the TSW version has poor texturing It just doesn't look particularly real. The sound is really poor in comparison, and again, it drives wrong. The pause while the transmission gets a grip is wrong, the Voith transmission lock up behaviour is wrong (in fact, as I recall, this doesn't happen at all) [edit - yes it does, but very sharply, at over 60mph, which is incorrect.]. The horn doesn't sound right and it's far too quiet inside. There's none of the detail like bangs, rattles, corridor rattling. None of the chatter and clicks when you throttle back from low notch settings like in the real thing. This isn't even a full AP product... it's just an enhancement pack.

I'll tell you what. If you think I'm being unfair, I'll let you choose. Pick a vehicle that's both in TSW and also an AP product for TSC.

 

Think we'll be on TSW31 by then? Maybe TSW36? It's anyone's guess, really.

 

Both the 158 pictures look good to me, just different lighting.
How do you know the 158 drives wrong? Have you driven one in real life? The person that created the 158 physics for TSW created several posts with all the information on why it is like it is.
The audio of the 158 and how it visually looks feel right to me in TSW.

I did pick one, compare the 395.

 

Any video driving it on a busy route?

 

I can't imagine that DTG is happy about all the negative feedback. But they act like everything is fine. They're screaming for players' money and plastering hundreds of images and videos into random posts. I hope TSW 4 will be a flop in terms of sales.

 

I suppose there are load on YouTube.

 

Why? That will just harm everyone... even TSC users like myself. Everyone will be affected . Why would you hope for that? I hope it earns them a ton of money.

 

I just wanted to know what the performance is. Looking at this image I see something different than most of the TSC video's. So I suspect this must be very taxing on your PC? Does it actually move or do you get a slideshow?

 

In order of a change in their policy.
U'fortunatly i think it will sell well. Put some ECML, Flying Scotman, its sold.
Even if at the end the routes may be garbage, it will sell well.

 

Not really. The textures are really plain, and why does every button and dial have a thick black shadow all the way around it as if its lit by ring flash? Looks terrible.

I spent every day for years on one of these things as a passenger. I know how they accelerate, brake, sound. I know every sound they make, and when. They are as familiar as the back of my hand.

I guess real life must be wrong then.

I said a vehicle both in TSW and an AP product, otherwise we are not comparing the best TSW has to offer with the best TSC has to offer.

 

It runs absolutely fine. What is it you think is different?

 

Normally TSC looks outdated. This is probably modded?

 

It must be awful being bitter!

 

Yes, heavily. People will now say that's "cheating" but if there were third party addons for TSW that made it look better, they would use them as well without any qualms about it, and if they wanted to show off TSW, they'd show it off with those addons.

 

And I also spent years riding them as a passenger most days travelling to University, they feel fine to me.
You can compare the Class 801 when it comes out for TSW4. As that being one of the newest DTG trains to come out should be modeled well. I know the AP one is modeled decently as I own it, but certainly has limitations.

 

Ok. I have the AP version of that.
I get the feeling you will die on this hill though, no matter what

 

No it's not cheating but I remember playing a game long ago that you could mod and everything started to look very realistic but the downside was performance became so terrible it became unplayable

 

No.. it runs OK. Not stellar performance, but that's actually got nothing to do with the addons. My PC is 11 years old with a 8 year old GPU. I can notice very little difference in frame rates running it vanilla, compared to the addons.. maybe less that 5fps difference.

 

Oh yes it does! I'm the last one to scream to get something for free, but the approach of sending this game into the abyss is unacceptable. The promised updates, the promised bug fixes and the short lifespan of TSW3 show me that this company is going down a completely wrong path in my eyes. All TSW4 players will be surprised (or maybe not) when they are asked to pay for Scenario Planner 3.0 or Weather Update 2.1 in September 2024. But be happy and throw your money out the window for significantly small game updates.

 

I use reshade with TSW and the AP track pack and first weather pack and it does look very good, much, much better than default. I gave up with RW Enchancer as I just find it too clunky and reshade seems to do a lot of the heavy listing.

I still wouldn't say it looks quite as good as TSW but it isn't that far off. I find it seems to run a lot better than it used to, hardly get stutters now.

 

I am very happy thank you, it is far better than being angry over a game.

 

Even the heavily modded TSC doesn’t look better than TSW

 

Then feel happy with it, because after all, everyone can decide for themselves which company they support with their money. For myself, I can only hope that TSW4 will be a proper lesson for DTG and as little as possible of it will be sold, because only then will the approach of this developer also change.

If all sheeps diligently pay money for so little content, they probably still rub their hands and think everything goes according to plan. And that must not happen. Livery Editor 2.0 ??? Ahhh paaah... -> Electronic Arts 2.0

 

It's say more different than better. There's no denying UE4 is a far more advanced graphics engine. You'd be silly to try and argue that point. I don't think TSW looks very REAL though. It's impressive, and shiny etc. but there's something clinical and sterile about it. Everything is so shiny. I think, while TSC has visible shortcomings, most of the reasons it looks bad is the legacy textures and Kuju assets that are still being so widely used in many routes. Run AP assets on a route that's mostly made with modern textures, like The Fen Line Phase 1 by 4Aspect, and it looks really good indeed. Even old routes though, like WCML over shap can look great with ReShade, AP Tracks, signalling and the mist and fog effects you get with AP Sky & Weather V2.

 

To an extent yes, because you can interact with more in the cab in TSW. AS well as obviously standing up and moving around the train. The interiors as a result are massively better modeled in TSW.

 

I haven't got round to getting the new AP weather pack yet. Once I worked out how reshade works I found it works wonders, as you say even on older routes. I agree TSW can look a bit clinical at times, I do think it generally has a natural look though.

I do enjoy both sims and will continue to do so, I am sure both have a lot of exciting things to come.

 

Dunno... I reckon I can give it a good run for its money.







No one's arguing that UE4 isn't more sophisticated. Somehow though... TSC manages to look more real, even though it's graphical shortcomings can't be entirely hidden. Particularly the platform zombies You can't judge TSC out of the box, as few people run it that way these days.

 

So you only have to spend like £100+ to get a TSC route looking closer to a TSW route? I've bought the AP tracks, Sky and Weather pack, RW Enhancer 2. It improves on TSC a lot, but still comes no where close to TSW on PC max settings.
The entry price for TSC is just obscene for new people.
£25 for RW Enhancer 2
£25 for AP Sky and Weather
£12 for AP Tracks
£17 for AP signals
£20 for AP cloud addon
That is £99. Not including a single route. Not including a single AP enhancement pack which tend to be £15-£20 per loco.
Add it all up you're looking at around £150+ to get one route and one loco up to close to the level of TSW.

Then after all of that, you have to rely on specific scenarios as there is no proper timetable mode.

 

Ap

Another reason why AP sucks

 

Huh? You can run, or make any scenario you like. I'm not sure what you mean by this. Can you explain?

 

The only advantage TSC has over TSW is lighting, and that’s heavily subjective. Now compare both in video. Don’t get me wrong TSC looks good