Upcoming German Route Speculation With Border Crossing

During the TSW4 reveal Lucas tease "there'll be more border crossing to come"
On the roadmap they they've a German route add on from DTG 1-3 months time. My speculation is the next German route is going to be Bahnstrecke Strasbourg - Karlsruhe. This route would be a French/German border crossing/ high-speed traction that would include lots of freight services . The route will probably come with TGV Euroduplex .I believe it would be around 41 miles, could have around 20 to 25 stations. I dont think we will get the route via Durmersheim and not Ettlingen. But you never know. This route has the p[otential for many layers from other routes. What do you think the next German route would be?

 

That TSC route was based on my suggestion Appenweier-Strasbourg railway. 120 years ago this was under German control so it's spelled as Bahnstrecke Appenweier Straßburg Imperial German Railways. New rolling stock DB BR185.0 407/408 SNCF BB37000 B85500. Another choice might be Duisburg Utrecht which brings the Netherlands to the game.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/posts/279451/

I would like to see this route, Dresden-Decin in the Czech Republic.

 

I would like to see a route going into the Netherlands…

 

DTG Benjamin - I have removed this comment due to its insensitive nature.

 

DTG did the Mittenwaldbahn for TSC, so I guess that's another possible candidate for a cross-border route for TSW.

 

This 100%... first thing that came to my mind. It´s one of germanys absolute classic routes like Rheinstrecke.
My second choice would be Basel Bad to Basel SSB just because it´s super busy with ICE and freight services. would be very interesting Timetable vise.

Off topic: also I really want to see german routes getting the TOD 4. I´m so glad Dresden-Riesa is getting it. I really hope Aachen-Köln und München-Augsbug will also get it when they are updated with new timebables.

 

Also for the Mittenwaldbahn both announced (ÖBB 4024) and existing (DB 442) Talents would be a great fit. Considering how DTG likes to plan their routes around available rolling stock that could be likely. However since the majority of the route is in Austria I would consider this more of a candidate for the Austrian route in the 6+ month column. In any case I would enjoy that route!

For a German border crossing route I could also imagine Freiburg-Basel so a (albeit rather short) border crossing from Germany to Switzerland. This could offer tons of freight trains (e.g. with Vectron), ICE 1 and 146.2 with Dostos. And maybe even to Basel SBB for the ICE 1 and Muttenz Freight Yard along with the Rivet SBB Flirt 1.

EDIT: ah toms87 already posted this before i finished typing

 

this route has been on my top 10 wish list since the TSC Release few years ago it goes a few miles into France its got S-Bahn Services / & I-C-E Services 250kms top speed & Freight Services Its a great route and would love to see it in the same era for TSW4 100% behind this one

 

There are three electrified ones Rhein-Ruhr West Wuppertal Steinbeck Düsseldorf Neuss Mönchengladbach Venlo Hengelo Bad Bentheim Osnabrück Bochum Duisburg Oberhausen Emmerich am Rhein Zevenaar Arnhem Utrecht 202km. Diesel Enschede Dortmund Wunderline Bremen Oldenburg Leer Groningen 173 km

 

The thing is "Border crossing" dosent meant country to country.

It could be an anglo-welsh or anglo-scottish route. Maybe the NWCL would be one I could name thats on the tables. I'd love an international german franco route but I do think that dosent necassarily mean country to country - I feel like they'd use international to hype up for that.

I could be wrong though.

 

Back in the days of the Old Germany and Austria-Hungary this was called Bahnstrecke Dresden Bad Schandau Schöna Bodenbach Kk Sachsen Eisenbahn KkStb Österreich-Ungarn

 

When you say old germany I presume you mean the german empire under Kaiser Whilheim the 2nd right before WW1? Especially if Austria-Hungary is there. It might be a little questionable for a central powers route but id be down

 

Maybe. But when Lucas mentioned border crossing, he references Vorarlberg border crossing from German not being difficult as the border crossing from Germany into France. Since Lucas is mostly focus on Germany , Central Europe, and the Next UK DLC from DTG is 4-6 month is out, I suspect he was referring to the upcoming German DLC.

 

Why shouldn't it be the first german steam route?

 

That is correct the German Empire under Kaiser Wilhelm the second. If that were to be a German to Austrian route 120 years ago the licenses are already here KkStb from ÖBB the Czech side while K.Sächs.Sts.E.B. side license from DB Deutsche Bahn. Also it might be beneficial to do Polando Ukraine during the same era pre 1914 since ÖBB holds the licence for KkStb Galizien Carl Ludwig Bahn

 

Well Polando Ukraine wouldnt be an international route would it

It'd all be in the same country - the Russian Empire. Unless its coming from the prussian Poland. For there was no poland pre 1914 around the same area.

Just like my money after a UK route gets announced it disappeared constantly.

 

Route extension of SKA into Belgium possibly?

 

Yep, I would be quite happy with the 92km between Oberhausen and Arnhem

 

I agree with you on that there is a problem with the routes set in the Russian Empire era RZD Russian railways holds that licence but do Krakow to Lviv route set in the early 1900s the existing ÖBB licence covers it because that route was made by KkStb. Also a Dresden Neustadt Breslau Wrocław route 1900s works to thanks to DB holding the license to its predecessor railways the lower Silesian railways.

 

How about 1968, crossing at Marienborn between the BRD and DDR? (Would require extra NPCs. With submachine guns).

 

You would need diesel locos for that. You might as well set that to 1976-1990 that way owners of Bremen Oldenburg Groningen Wunderline Linke Rheinstrecke Koblenz Bingen Mainz Frankfurt am Main Hbf and end up dropping the electric locomotives at Helmstedt for DR Baureihe 119 Karpatenschrek U-Boot DR Baureihe 118 Dicke Babelsbergerin DR Baureihe 130-132 142 Ludmilla (achievement works for this route & Ruhr Sieg Strecke) Rbf Potsdam Seddin DR Baureihe 104-106 V60 Ost Goldbroiler DR V100 Baureihe 110-112 (achievement counts for this route and Main Spessart Bahn).
Picture of loco swap is from Gordon Edgar Flickr account
The same account has classic German electric and diesel locos from both East and West Germany. One of these was a British soldier looking at a Ludmilla loco Ruhr Sieg Nord DR Baureihe 132 furthermore there is a picture from that same account of an East German Schienenbus DR Baureihe 171/172. You were here on the military train that means they need to go inside Fort Eustis Virginia for an intact US military Frankfurt/Bremen-Berlin Duty Train Caboose and M-wagen

 

Interesting speculation, I'm with you TGV Duplex together with the BR 187 loco
Bombardier Traxx F160 AC3
is even on the roadmap DB BR 187 listed as Audio Improvements
It would make a lot of sense I don't think anyone would want to see another BR 185/2 in the next route, nothing bad about it in itself just
too much used every German route has these locomotives in the cargo sector. A change for once would be a nice turnaround against a heavy past.
Bahnstrecke Strasbourg - Karlsruhe

Train Simulator classic picture


I originally thought the Lucas teaser was going to be a Rivet Games route Bernina Line: Poschiavo - Tirano
Switzerland - Italy: whether they are both or there are really several border routes in arriving

My question here is a BORDER route, is the country only indicated on the roadmap that has the most track laying in the route than a smaller piece of a new part of a country?

 

I think it's just to keep the "hype" that they put on the roadmap existing countries or "casual"

 

Would still like something based on Dutch/German cross border at Bad Bentheim but set in the early 80’s so we can finally get some DB UIC stock in the game.

 

Correct and we do have the DB Baureihe 103 110.3 for that D Zug runs which will stop and be replaced by a Nederlandse Spoorwegen Serie 1500 (Woodhead line Class 77) Nez Cassé NS Serie 1600-1800 at Bad Bentheim the border station on the Osnabrück Hengelo railway line

 

Probably a freight route between the port of Antwerp and Duisburg

 

I'm dutch and i can tell you its a station with less trains.... 1x 2hrs a IR and 1x a Local service train. Further in freight is also less interest there.... Bad Bentheim-Osnabrück hbf is not a good route to build to have some fun to drive. Otherwise there is no 1600/1700 and build this only as AI thats not a thing that DTG is build

 

If you look pure whats available in TSW is Karlsruhe Strassbourg/Offenburg a very good option.... They can modify the TGV that comes from the LGV route and otherwise you have a lot to layer.... Maybe they create the BR407 ICE what for me a nice additions is and if you compare it to TSC it's a good route to build in the same situation.

 

Maybe a Germany to Denmark route?

 

Or Germany to Belgium ?

 

Honestly I’m not 100% sure if a border crossing into another new country apart from Austria will be coming anytime soon. It’s quite a lot of work with all the research and assets that are needed. Wouldn’t be surprised if they do another German-Austrian route, or perhaps something to do with Switzerland because Rivet must’ve built up quite the asset library with all their work within that region. As Matt once said, TGV was quite isolated (in reality and technically), so there’s still lots of work to do if they want to visit other parts of France.

I’m obviously willing to be surprised, but just looking at it all through a realistic lens, I’d be incredibly startled and overjoyed if they somehow managed to add two new countries to the TSW universe after staying within familiar territory for the last few years.

 

What with Freiburg to Basel.This route is 80 km long and can with BR 407 coming.

 

Good point, although since they have already done French signaling and signage (along with other assets like catenary), a Germany-France route wouldn't be impossible. After all, they did Marseilles with all of its "normal" trackage, in addition to the LGV proper.

 

The problem in France is that they use different voltages around the coutry. The area around Marseille is 1500 V DC while other parts of France runs on 25 000 V AC at 50hz or 60hz I don't remember. While the LGV catenary system is also 25 Kv it's not the same as the "classic lines" 25Kv

 

Yeah but there was a small leak/teaser in the announcement video for TSW4! But its also good possible to austria or frence. There is no logical reason for other countries. Only border stations at its own is possible like Basel Bad.

 

The TGV from the ealier route is capeble to run under this diffrent systems. Only PZB german system is failing. But that was in TSC also the point and they upgraded the existing TGV

 

So we know Lucas tease " "there'll be more border crossing to come". Now I don't know if he meant soon or within two years. What we know is the next DTG route is German. Lucas focus is German and now Central Europe. We already have an Austrian route coming (Vorarlberg) plus another on the roadmap six months out. No matter what the next route will be mainly in Germany. So this means if it was to have a border crossing it will be a short border route same way as Germany was Vorarlberg.

 

Ok then how about Bochum/Duisburg-Arnhem Utrecht 202 km? That one solves two issues HRR being busy and Duisburg Hbf Mülheim an der Ruhr Styrum having services to Oberhausen Hbf with freight trains running Zevenaar-Bochum Ehrenfeld. Introduces a tri voltage DB BR1429

 

Just came to mind that Matt, when speaking about the new red version of the BR 628 in the livestream, pretty clearly stated it would show up on multiple routes in the future (he used the plural, unmistakably). The 628 in pretty much the same livery is widely used on rural lines in southeastern Germany (“Südostbayernbahn”) and could show up as AI at many of the bigger stations in the area - including border stations. We’re talking Salzburg, Simbach, Braunau, Passau. Hoping we get some sort of route in that general area, the possibilities are endless. I’m just saying they probably wouldn’t have bothered creating a new 628 variant just for it to play a quite minor role on Vorarlberg, they clearly have more plans for it.

Side note: DTG, if you’re reading this and are indeed building a route in that area… if you need more reference images, I live on the Munich-Passau line and could probably help you out!

 

So I made a hopefully complete list of all possible German border crossings - SL for slow lines, ML for main lines, with potential endpoints in parentheses. And I took the freedom to highlight some in boldface which I think could for sure be interesting enough and potentially achievable, but you can ignore that:

DE DK

• (Niebüll) Süderlügum-Tønder (Esbjerg) SL
• Flensburg-Padborg (Kolding) ML

DE PL

• (Züssow) Ahlbeck-Świnoujście SL
• (Neubrandenburg, Pasewalk) Grambow-Szeczin ML
• (Berlin, Angermünde) Tantow-Szeczin ML
• (Berlin) KüstrinKietz-Kostrzin (Gorzów Wielkopolski) ML
• Frankfurt/Oder-Słubice (Świebodzin) ML
• (Cottbus) Guben-Gubin (Krosno Odrzańskie, Zielona Góra) ML
• (Cottbus) Forst-Zasieki (Zagań) ML
• (Niesky) Horka-Wegliniec (Lubań, Bolesławiec) ML
• (Bautzen) Görlitz-Zgorzelec (Lubań) ML
• Zittau-Görlitz SL

DE-CZ

• (Bischofswerda, Ebersbach) Zittau-Hrádek nad Nisou (Liberec) ML
• (Ebersbach) Ebersbach-Rumburk (Ceská Lípa) ML
• (Bad Schandau) Sebnitz-Horní Poustevna (Rumburk, Krásná Lípa) SL
• (Dresden) Schöna-Dolní Zleb (Decin) ML
• (Annaberg) Bärenstein-Vejprty (Chomutov) SL
• (Schwarzenberg) Johanngeorgenstadt-Potucky (Karlovy Vary) SL
• (Zwotental) Klingenthal-Kraslice (Sokolov) SL
• (Plauen) Bad Brambach-Plesná (Cheb) ML
• (Hof) Selb-Aš (Cheb) SL
• (Bayreuth, Weiden, Marktredwitz) Schirnding-Cheb ML
• (Cham) Furth im Wald-Ceská Kubice (Plzen) ML
• (Zwiesel) Bayerisch Eisenstein-Zelezná Ruda (Klatovy) SL

DE-AT

• Passau-Wernstein (Linz) ML
• (Mühldorf) Simbach-Braunau (Ried) ML
• (Rosenheim) Freilassing-Salzburg ML
• (Rosenheim) Kiefersfelden-Kufstein (Wörgl, Innsbruck) ML
• (Garmisch-Partenkirchen) Mittenwald-Scharnitz (Innsbruck, Wörgl, Brenner) ML
• (Kempten) Pfronten-Vils-Ehrwald-Griesen (Garmisch-Partenkirchen) SL
• Lindau-Lochau (Bludenz) ML

DE-CH

• Konstanz-Kreuzlingen (Winterthur) SL
• (Singen i.Htw.) Rielasingen-Ramsen (Winterthur) SL
• (Singen i.Htw.) Bietingen-Thayngen (Zürich) ML
• (Basel) Erzingen-Wilchingen (Schaffhausen) ML
• (Freiburg) Basel Bad-Basel SBB (Zürich) ML

DE-FR

• (Freiburg, Mülheim Baden) Neuenburg-Bantzenheim (Mulhouse) SL
• (Offenburg, Rastatt) Kehl-Krimmeri Meinau (Strasbourg) ML
• (Wörth am Rhein) Berg-Lauterbourg (Strasbourg) SL
• (Neustadt a.d. Weinstraße) Schweighofen-Wissembourg SL
• Saarbrücken-Sarreguemines (Strasbourg) ML
• Saarbrücken-Forbach (Metz, Lorraine TGV) ML but just because the TGV goes here
• (Saarlouis) Niedaltdorf-Thionville SL
• (Trier) Perl Schengen-Apach (Thionville, Metz) ML

DE-LU

• (Trier) Igel-Wasserbillig (Luxembourg) ML

DE-BE

• Aachen-Hergenrath (Liège) ML
• Aachen-Visé (Liège) ML

DE-NL

• Herzogenrath-Eijgelshoven (Roermond, Eindhoven) SL
• (Köln, Mönchengladbach) Kaldenkirchen-Venlo (Eindhoven) ML
• Emmerich-Zevenaar (Utrecht) ML
• (Münster) Gronau-Glanerbrug (Enschede, Hengelo) SL
• (Osnabrück, Rheine) Bad Bentheim-Oldenzaal (Hengelo, Deventer) ML
• (Bad Bentheim) Neuenhaus-Coevorden (Emmen) SL
• (Leer) Weener-Bad Nieuweschans (Groningen, Eemshaven) SL

Rail Ferries

• (Rostock) Warnemünde-Trelleborg (Malmö) ML
• (Lübeck) Puttgarden-Rødby (Nykøbing F) ML

 

I second this.

Really hope they finally fix the audio on the 187. It’s a decent loco but the horrible shrieking engine noise that drowns out every other sound makes it unusable.

And for the love of dog, no more 185s!

(But please go ahead with the 218, 232 and the rumoured Railjet.)

 

Hamburg Padborg route or 2028 Hamburg Lubeck Puttgarden Rodby route via Tunnel.

 

Emmerich Zevenaar should be Duisburg/Mullheim Emmerich Zevenaar because of the Triangular junction at Mullheim Styrum HRR

 

I didn't think Zevenaar would make a good endpoint for a route. I thought more like Emmerich-Utrecht (90km) but maybe Oberhausen-Arnhem (90km) or the extension to Duisburg/Mülheim would be another option.
Duisburg/Mülheim-Utrecht is 170 km and let's face it, that's just too much.

 

Including the train ferry portion… DTG’s first foray into shipping simulation!

 

I would like a Germany - Denmark route, but I doubt it. I would love to see more German diesel trains (218 & 648) so the nothern border crossing would be an opportunity. But again, if we get a boder crossing I think we get something in the west or in the south, probably Austria again.

 

It's 156 km Duisburg Hbf Utrecht Centraal basically you add up 99km Duisburg Oberhausen Arnhem 57 km Utrecht Arnhem Centraal

 

Antwerp Port to Duisburg would be a treat for freight enthousiasts. Just saying

 

Brussels-Leuven-Liège-Aachen could also be pretty cool.
You can run IC, Fast IC (200km/h) S-bahn train, ICE and Thalys (If we ever get the licence)