Tsw4 Öbb 4024 Sounds, Really ?

An image is worth a thousand words, how the hell did DTG said “we’re satisfied with this enginesound we’ll release it this way”. I mean common it’s from the Talent 2 and it doesn’t sounds this way in real life. We know the music, you’ll say it’ll be investigated for further patch but we all know it won’t.


I’m getting a BR187 PTSD Vietnam flashback

 

We were just talking about this on the discord server. Apparently OBB isn't giving DTG access to a recording trip. And that's been confirmed by a DTG dev

 

I can understand they didn’t have the authorization, to record inside one of these but they can recreate it artificially like they did for the BR182. I’m quite disappointed that we’re having the wrong sound and I’m on console so I won’t be able to replace it by a mod.

 

All I’m getting is repeatedly having to “please type the characters below” over and over, so I don’t know what’s behind the security that I can’t pass. Maybe I’m a robot.

 

Here we go again

 

Well. TBF DTG couldn't get recording for it due to issues with OBB so I would argue DTG arent completely to blame.

 

Now ik that the sounds aren't the correct sounds but if they fix the looping horn then we will be good to go because I don't even know what they sound like IRL, I only care what the UK trains sound like because I've been on a lot like the azuma I hope the sounds are correct for that and the pacer.

 

Lol
If you can not offer a proper quality dlc (graphics, ,physics or sound), just don't make it.

Imagine assetto Corsa sells you a Ferrari with a sound of Renault Mégane dude.

How is it possible to defend this studio on this point really

 

I knew something like this would come up at some point

 

More often than not recently it seems dtg can’t do a full recording. Maybe it’s time to look at different ways of implementing sounds

 

DTG are the ones that decided to make an ‘authentic’ simulation.

DTG chose to create & implement the 4024.

DTG should not of assumed that they would be granted access to an IRL unit, if they did not have sounds for it.

DTG are quite literally fully to blame.

 

Ok that's good JD.
Edit: may I ask ik that it's to early to ask this but what about the pacer will JT be using APs new V2 pacer EP when that comes out or will they be going to a heritage line and recording the sounds there. ( It ok if you can't answer this because it's two early but thought to bring it up.)

 

Oh No trust me I do agree. Such is the way of things.

 

Sounds are sounds in my opinion if they sound close to the thing then that's good enough it depends on the physics and how realistic it is to drive and how it compares ikr.

 

I would partially agree.

Something with better sounds is ALWAYS better but for me I do also agree physics > sound design. Albeit if say a 377 sounded like a 450 THEN I would have a severe issue, overal if its in the same family roughly (like what they did with the 700) unless your diehard its a tad harder.


Also when it comes to most simulation games - Ignorance is Bliss.

 

The thing they not mentioned it all in the earlier posts... that's not fair! You have to honest directly by the preview is my opinion! Other trains there was a preview... not Chic at all!!!

 

With sounds as well I mostly care what UK trains sound like because I don't know alot about German sounds just the safety systems but if a 158 sounded like a 156 then we will be having problems but we have AP to fix the sounds for us already.

 

Thank you

 

I mean with you saying "DTG are fully to blame" when they get told on what to do when they get there, they don't have 100% authentication if they get a recording trip or not and OBB decide if they get a recording trip or not so DTG are not fully to blame.

 

I’m not sure what kind of take this is? Do you really think DTG just rock up to various train depots and ask to record on the day?

These things are (or at least should be) planned months in advance.

 

Here we go again. I wonder what it will be like in the stream tomorrow but I think you can hear everything in the video.

 

Yep I can here it before it has even started.

 

But they don't get 100% authentication if they get a recording trip or not they get what they are giving.

 

like always on the stream tomorrow "we are the best,we are the best,we are the best" "that' s look fantastic" "it s incredible"

 

Yes and if they record a talent 1 they get the sounds of a talent 1.

Come back to me when your pacer sounds like a sprinter.

 

Nah thanks I won't plus DTG aren't even making the pacer it's JT and they are really good when it comes to sounds just drive the class 222 on MML for TSC.

 

If a dlc is already far along in development, dtg can't just drop a project. I'm sure there are tocs that will not allow for reference trips for recording audio or they get cancelled. Mta for example doesn't allow dtg to go and record but does that mean dtg should not do that dlc? Some freight operators may not allow dtg to record sound but should dtg not make any freight?

 

It's not the same family. Yes they are both called TALENT, but they are technically different. And so are the sounds. The DTG TALENT doesn't sound like the real thing at all.

 

I was replying to the person I repllied to not in general...

 

And plus with the talent 1 just "don't judge a book by it cover" or shall I say "don't judge a train by it's sounds".

 

I’d hope DTG plan their content development much better than that.

DTG managed to source decent sounds for all of that, so not sure what point you’re making.

 

so because OBB are unable to provide recording opportunities then DTG should never make an Austrian route, so if say DfT put a blanket ban on UK TOCs providing DTG (along with anyone else) with recordings then we shouldnt get any new UK trains. Same with DB and any other countries railways.

Youd prefer that to using the best available we'd potentially never have a new train released into DTG?

 

My issue (as often with DTG) is with the higher-level planning and project management:
1. DTG decide they want to make an Austrian route.
2. OBB respond to the trip request with "ok you can have access to a, b, and c, but not x, y, or z."
3a. DTG decides to move forward
OR
3b. DTG decides to put the project on hold
IF 3a then:
4. DTG starts working on building the route

Now, my concern is that sometimes (due to time or budget constraints) they jump right into 4 and just hope that 2 leads to 3a. If it doesn't work out how they planned then we get these kind of compromises because it's too late/too expensive to choose 3b at that point.

 

Yeah, those train sounds definitely aren't right and the horn is badly looped. I'm kind of disappointed, really. Looking forward to Vorarlberg line, but this isn't promising at the moment. I guess it falls to our dear modders to fix it again, hopefully.

 

agreed.

If they can't have access to the sound for example. They postpone this DLC and make an other one with the Taurus (they already have) and they modelize OBB cars on another track and it's done. and no drama

or they inform their customers that unfortunately they can't had access to the original sounds, they will use a solution as "emergency" and they will work on it with OBB or with other Studios (RSSLO?) or with modders to provide their customers the best experience possible?
No, once again I've the impression that they said in the meeting room "never mind, they will not notice it" or "we give them another sound and its ok"

 

Still no one that can make a train engine synthesizer? May I suggest looking at AI (yes my 2023 suggestion to everything) for this. Sounds to me AI should be capable to create every engine sound by now. It can create almost perfect replica's of human vocals. That's way more complex than engines.

 

While I have no idea what a Talent 1 should sound like, never mind what the difference between a Talent 1 and Talent 2 should be, I do accept that is is ultimately either realistic or not, and therefore it goes back to the intentions of the developer. If its nice to get the different unit in game, but it sounds unrealistic, is that ok or not?

The store page for TSW4 makes no reference to the authenticity of the sounds.

 

replace DTG by an AI is a good idea

 

REALISTIC

but now it's ok i can start my class action because the sold product does not correspond to the description of the product I bought huhu.

I'm joking for sure but if we can have real sounds, then don't sell this game as a Simulation game.
It's like having a BR 101 with 4 pantographes instead of 2

 

I think the term "realistic" is already being used in video games since the Atari consoles

 

Authentic/Realistic sounds are a must for me, this isn't the first time nor unfortunately probably the last time sounds have been 'subbed' and I can understand the frustration although this piece of DLC won't affect me.

I wouldn't like it if, just imagine as an example, DTG announce an IC225 set coming to the Donny-Pboro route next year, however, they say they couldn't get the sounds so will be subbed by Class 800 sounds! Christ, I'd rather do without the IC225

 

I think might be better to use the London commuters 377 sounds which I think are closer than those revealed

 

If DTG are literally unable to get the sounds for the talent 1, then fair enough I guess.

However I do agree that 377 sounds (if possible) would have been a better option, other than that, the talent 1 looks very well developed in terms of the modelling.

 

Absolutley agree, both bombardier units. I skip my annoyance about this and just wait for the sound mod. This very very specific situation here was the exactly reason for my decision to go with pc.

 

omg yea. that sounds alot like a 377!

 

Customers should know DTG and their sneaky "shortcuts" by now. Well nothing is lost, DTG just has to replace the sounds to the 377 ones (dont forget the flange sounds), so even console players have a closer realistic experience that in this trailer.

Surprising for me: Why the heck they didnt decide to implement the electrostar sounds.

 

Usually I wouldn’t be surprised, but we’re already getting less new trains as the years go by, along with the fact that this is one of the core routes of the new TSW. This one should have been done right, and DTG not saying anything about this until now (they still didn’t say it, just dropped it in a video hoping no one would notice?) says it all.

 

Sooo, really limit the available dlcs to practically nothing?
noted.

*cue No dlcs game dead comments*