Enough Is Enough!!!

iss this just a PC issue? I'm on console and I've completed all scenarios and journey and nearly 20 services in without having any issues

 

That chip on your shoulder is getting bigger!

 

Wow I can't even praise this game as being the best thing ever invented without getting backlash. There's no pleasing any side in this forum

 

That is not a bug. That is authenticity. See no one can list bugs.

No wonder I can't find any. They have been fixed.

And the ones listed in the Roadmap (for TSW3! not 4) will be fixed over a program of time.

 

I was playing Rapid Transit yesterday (I only got it this year) and then back to Mein Spessart Bahn. I'm loving it!! Getting experience with PZB!

I can't figure out why I get a sudden speed reduction demand to 48kph giving me a penalty when I hit a 500hz magnet 1.2km out of Germunden! ROFL!!

I suppose you need to know where the 500hz magnets are ROFL!

 

Good comment.

Usually can be fixed by updating drivers and removing mods etc etc.

 

Very good, sound argument.

The bugs were minor.

If there are a few bugs that cause havoc I have found DTG usually get patches out VERY QUICKLY. So with a little patience sometimes you can sit back and enjoy it.

But a lot of the issues I saw people complaining about weren't really the bugs, it was a lack of weeds at this train station, a missing sign at this location, etc etc and while it should be fixed is it worth having a tantrum over it?

If I bought the route 4-5 days after release and found no problems I assume the patch was already out by then. So 5 days max and you will see major issues even though not game breaking receive immediate attention.

What is happening is people come here and expect to have a true real life representation of the actual route and complain when this is out or that is out, or there is no bin here or there.

Yes it took a month or so to fix passengers in the vestibule but it was fixed.

I have more than 10 routes so if I am not enjoying something I'll find something else to enjoy and have a challenge.

PZB is challenging.

 

Why do people keep calling it a new game? It really isn't - just an update. It'll come complete with all the current bugs (perhaps a few fixed), along with a few new ones no doubt. Those will get fixed in the next update - TSW5.

 

Want to see the real DTG? I found a bug in TSC, the scenario in Sherman Hill did not start, everyone as I found out on the Steam forum. There I got help from a person who made a patch for the scenario himself and made it passable for a gold star!

I reported the bug here on the forum, in a special thread. From DTG zero response. No one even responded in the thread from the developers, they do not care, you know?

With TSW the same thing, no one will do anything. Bugs will accumulate for decades. Each next iteration of patches, will only break previous routes.

 

Hello Games…
Just to remind you, all of these free updates and dlc in NMS are only happening because HG over promised and under delivered in the most epic way possible. It was such a dumpster fire of a release that if they tried to charge a single red cent after that, players would’ve left in droves and HG never would’ve recovered. That’s the last time I’ve preordered anything in my life; I remember taking off of work to play that… just the release was a complete con job.
Any good deeds done by HG after release was just penance, which is important if they ever want to sell another game again.

DTG on the other hand… we pretty much know what we’re getting. Some of us accept it so we can move pixel trains around a screen, while some of us make it our life’s mission to let everyone know we’re unhappy with it.

 

I remember where we’ve come from and how amazing it was to drive a train!

 

Funny no one answered this question.
You’re 100% right though. Even the most polished games suffer from bugs.

 

Dresden Riesa Is one of my favourite German routes too, so it’s nice to see this getting the TSW4 treatment.

 

Nice try, it's a bug. I'm old enough to have commuted on those things, the sound inside the carriages is awful, it's not much better in the cab. That is not authenticity.

I'm sorry that you're unable to accept any bugs that don't fit your own remarkably specific rules. Some would call you a troll, but that's not my style.

 

Some games suffer worse bugs than others. Some get better with bug fixes (for example the recovery of Cyberpunk 2077 to something of an acceptable level to play). TSW is in the category of broken, pay for fixes or it's getting abandoned as is within months.

 

Correct, it isn't a new game. They add a 4 in the title probably in some odd attempt to get new eyeballs on it. Kind of odd that they're taking the yearly sports game approach to a train simulator but whatever. At least change the menu or something like those game do to keep some appearance that it's different. This is TSW3 + fog.

 

Sarcasm

 

Ah, I thought so.

Thanks for clearing that up.

 

Plus quite a lot more than fog, though it's important for some to downplay that. Also odd that anyone would claim all the actual additions and upgrades don't make a new game but simply changing the menu would.

 

No, changing the menu wouldn't. But it would add to the illusion.

 

Why are people so obsessed with how other people refer to it? Does it really matter how people want to call it? If it's all about the right jargon it technically is a new game as I will need to download a new installer and delete the old one or run it next to it.

I was just reading an article about Starfield and the article claims that Starfield is not a new game. It seems definitions of what a new game is range widely from person to person. Sure you are right that TSW4 is not a new game perse but Kotaku is also right when they say Starfield is not a new game. It also still comes with the expected Bethesda bugs.

 

Umm.. Kotaku is a clickbait website with wildly bizarre views. Now if Starfield was just Fallout 4 with the same story and characters but with a new name slapped on the cover (and added fog) then it would be an apt analogy. Otherwise, no. Starfield IS a new game and TSW4 is a TSW3 patch.

 

That's just an opinion. It's your opinion

 

Anyone who seriously thinks TSW4 is a new game must be really delusional, lol.

I mean if you still like it and want to buy it, go ahead for sure! But calling it a new game is a blatant lie, both from the developers and from the people defending it.

 

Does TSW3 have ECML? Does TSW3 have Vorarlberg? Does TSW3 have Antelope Valley? No?

TSW4 is a new game!

 

And a route editor.
And a timetable editor.
And a Vectron.
And Flying Scotsman.

Really don’t know what people are hoping to achieve, still bellyaching about this. We are two weeks from early access. Nothing is going to change.

 

Just accept the fact that TSW4 has happened lol

 

nothing happened, it was all fake

 

I still think it’s a good deal especially compared to N3V who wanted £55 for TRS22 then 18 months later another £55 to put “Platinum Edition “ on the end of it…

 

Preventing the possibility of TSW5 next year.

 

And if DTG wish to proceed in that direction, entirely their prerogative. And as with this year, 95% of the customer base will look at what’s on offer and pre order. For the rest, well maybe SimRail will be out of early access by then, or there’s always Trainz, Run 8 and Derail Valley thataway>>>>>

 

Why?

Why would someone try to do that? That's just mean. Why would someone want me to make a scene next year that there is no TSW5? No one can be that evil?

 

No matter what anyone says, TSW4 is a new game.

It has a lot more to offer than what TSW3 did, and is better value for money compared to what TSW3 was.

 

Is there any benefit to preordering vs. release day? Does it really offer anymore than you'd get on release? I only care about Metrolink and from what I've seen, there's no difference if I preorder or wait until Sept. 26th.

 

95%? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thanks I needed a good chuckle today

 

Does me repainting my old car, putting new wheels on it and a set of new carpets in the interiror turn it into a new car?

Where have I expressed my unwillingness to accept it? I merely said that calling it a new game is a false statement.

 

If you're being that pedantic about it, very few games are "new".
Bethesda haven't made a new game in 20 years.
There is only one Crysis.
There hasn't been a new Fifa game in like 10 years.
There hasn't been a new Battlefield game in like 10+ years.

They are all using the same engine under the hood, they are still new games.

You're trying to pull a ship of Theseus here. It has a new .exe and it has a new store page. It has a new retail SKU, it has a new physical version. It's a new game regardless of your opinion on it.

 

Except, of course, it isn’t. It’s the same game with a few new features. That is fact. It demonstrable and undeniable. If you are all in and believe that is ‘new’ then more power to you but I absolutely disagree.

The truth is DTG have been doing this for years, TSW doesn’t somehow break the mould. DTG have a very good marketing team, and it never ceases to amaze me just how many people get sucked in by them time and again. Just like last year when people lined up squarely behind TSW3 because it was the new shiny thing, I expect to see many of these same usernames moaning like hell in a few months when they realise the reality doesn’t live up to the hype.

 

Yeah, I'm at work on release day.

With preordering, I can least have a go before then (apart from anything that will only be available after).

 

Just because you want something to be true/have an opinion on it, doesn't make it fact.

It has version changes, it has a new .exe, it has a new store page, it has things that aren't in previous versions and won't work with them, and DTG themselves are saying it's a new game.
It's not a completely standalone/created from scratch product, because none of us want that. We want our previous content to carry over to the new iteration.
It's nothing to do with marketing, or hype.

It's a new game, as much as any other game made by a same developer is.

Just like Starfield is a new game, despite using the same engine as Fallout 4.
Just like Baldurs Gate 3 is a new game, despite using the same engine as Divinity Original Sin 2.
Just like Skyrim Special Edition is a new game, when compared to Skyrim Legendary Edition.
Xplane 11 and Xplane 12 are another example.

You might not like TSW4, or what DTG is doing. That's completely fine, and I support that.
I wish there was just a TSW core that was updated like TSC as well.
But it's disingenuous, and just wrong to say it's not a new game. Because by both a software, and business standpoint, it simply is.

 

TSW4 is not really a new game. It is an evolution of TSW released in 2017. DLC released in 2017 runs within TSW4 as is. What does that tell you. What other game on the market is doing that?.

Saying TSW4 is a new game is like saying GTA5 released on the PS3, PS4 and PS5 are all new games. No just the game hame modified and improved upon.

TSW4 is a paid upgrade/modification base software package to carry TSW onwards. That's it in a nut shell.

 

Total War Warhammer 1,2 and 3.
The previous DLC you bought on prior versions carry forward to the later ones.
They are three different games.

 

This is not true. DLCs have to be recooked to work with with the new TSW version. You can't just copy the old one over to the new game's folder, because it's incompatible. (Wish you could, because it would be a heck of a lot faster tham redownloading.) Owning the TSW2 version of a DLC entitled you to download the TSW3 version, ditto TSW3 DLCs --> TSW4.

 

Yes they have to be re-downloaded but at least they’re compatible. Many games don’t do this, and you can only use the new releases with the latest game. I love being able to have all my DLC right back I the original TSW all in the same game mixed with the latest one set.

For the sake of waiting a few hours for them all to download again I’d say it’s a small price to pay.

 

It's all new! Says so right there on the box! New box imagery and everything! Line up and pre-order your box today!

 

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

As was pointed out earlier, copy your TSW3 cooked routes into TSW4 folders and see how far that gets you. Like it or not, it's a new product - one almost identical to the old, for sure, but that doesn't change fact. Not that anything anyone can say will ever convince you.

 

No it doesn't, it says the "magic gems" pieces are new, which they are.

Convincing was never a possibility, and he's not even pretending to be honest anymore.

 

FWIW, I don't see it as a lack of honesty - just lacking some objectivity. But to each their own, it's very much splitting hairs whether TSW4 is 'new' or not and he's faced with the same choice as the rest of us - pay the money and use the product, or don't, and stay with what he has.

 

The dividing line between new game vs a new version is certainly a debatable matter of opinion, and not my gripe.