Peterborough is not in the south east. Both bureaucracy wise and geographically. How is Ely in the east and Peterborough in the south east. If Swindon is in the south east then, how is Westbury in the west
could you post that map? since i couldn't find a regional map on the national rail website, they all show lines rather than regions
I've tried to but it wouldn't let me unfortunately. I found the map typing London and South East rail map on Google and it came with the link to the National Rail map page, scroll down after clicking the link and you should find the map.
If you are referring to this: L&SE QR (nationalrail.co.uk) it also includes places like Birmingham, Worcester, Bristol and Exeter which are not in the south east. The main purpose of this map is to show areas within a common commuting distance to London, which is why the Network Railcard zone is shown. The map originated from the creation of Network SouthEast in the late 1980's I believe.
That's what is shown on the PIS on an azuma at Leeds. The next stops shouldn't be Wakefield westgate, Doncaster, Grantham etc. Should say next stops Grantham.... etc. Surely can't be a hint. Just an observation. Imo the font looks realistic
I am just going to chip in here because why not. Personally I regard Peterborough as the furthest south you can go in the North and the furthest North you can go in the south as it has that industrial 'Northern' history to it but it's culture is much more reflective of that in the south. In railway terms it is the northern boundary of the London Commuter network, being served by Thameslink but also firmly in the Eastern Region, but then so is Kings Cross so make of that what you will,
chaning subject slightly, There's a HST layer from MML onto ECML, Is that likely to be an AI layer or a driveable section? (Route) East Coast Main Line: Peterborough - Doncaster Route Add-On (PDB) (Timetable) Original (Layer) Class 158/0 EMT (MML) (Requirement) PDB, MML (Layer) High Speed Train EMT (MML) (Requirement) PDB, MML
I did not see that when I first read that. I am not sure as if the route is set right here and now all of EMTs HSTs were withdrawn.
I was replying to a previous message what was showing what the PIS will look like in the azuma in TSW and it just looks wrong.
I mean, aren't technically EMT defunct and now EMR? So would that limit the route to (if wiki is correct) a very tight window of May to August 2019?
Yes EMT went mid august 2019 and well actually the 801s didn't begin service until mid September 2019. I personally don't mind this bit of artistic license for varieties sake as it is a small thing hopefully.
Likely replicating when EMT extended all Nottingham HST services to Grantham, but yeah its a few years out of sync. There are also the Skegness Saturday specials they ran. Both would be drivable.
Probably the class 47 from west somerset railway will act as the class 47 from "west coast" what is sadly not included, on the back of the flying Scotsman with a rake of coaches seeing as DTG don't have the West Coast licence.
Yes but the highlight, and the focus of the route is the 800. If I want to drive the 387, I'll drive it on BML, and if I want to drive the 700, I'll do it on SEHS. The Azuma is the star of this route, and the train deserved a route that was interesting for it to drive on. Kingscross to Peterborough would not have been an interesting route for the 800. The only thing I wish would be changed is have it extended up to York.
I think that's the part people forget, KGX to PBO would be a new BML for some, but it would do the 80x a diservice for the sake of running 1 train we already get to max out (387). Even then, is the PBO 700 a FLU or RLU? So would technically still need a new model?
That’s what the implication from most of this thread is. Muh we mostly get modern electrostar routes from London. When in reality we only have one roureb
No your misunderstanding, the implication was modern Electrostar routes in South East England of which their were 3 released I rather short succession (4 if you count the original Sehs) That and we already have 4 routes in London, Gwe, Bkl, Lbn and Sehs.
Well technically SEHS is London oriented albeit the Electrostar service terminates and starts at Dartford in the middle of nowhere.
GWE isn’t an electrostar line, nor was bakerloo line? There are only three routes that are “electrostar” based and only one of them heads out from London. And that is BML. SEHS electrostars run from Dartford and ECW starts from Brighton
Yeah it is, but to be fair electrostars on that route don’t run into London. Which is why I don’t understand the whole electrostar mania thing. if people keep complaining about stuff like that then the network that people want will never come
I never said that Gwe and Bkl were Electrostar lines, everyone knows there not, I was stating that we have 4 routes in London. Your misunderstanding the point again, the point was we have multiple Electrostar routes in South East England.
North. Newcastle to Edinburgh. Very scenic. You can include the alnmouth loop ECS services. You've got craigintiny depot. You could throw in a voyager and a scotrail class 380 desiro. Layers for Rog class 37, class 66 and class 385. It can layer back onto Edinburgh to Glasgow as well as cathcart circle. The whole line is pretty much right next to the coast. And there is one branch line. Best option imo. Thought we'd need extensions up to York & Newcastle to join it up.
Scenic, yes, but would people want another route with only 1 intermediate station? Long runs at top speed, for me at least, are incredibly dull and boring. It's one of the reasons I struggle on SEHS Javelin and GWE HST (and yes, I know this isn't even that long) runs.
