Given that DTG have avanti branding available, have already made the route in TS i dont get why we still havent got new street to euston in TSW yet. Its the top3 most requested route for the past 4years......BCC is dead without it. I understand its long and alot of stations BUT this would hands down be probably the most played route in the UK section. Offering high speed, commuter and freight along the line. We already have the 323, and 66 and 37. To offer the route with a 350 and 390 then use the voyager as a DLC which can be layered onto other routes aswell the money to be made off this route should also be appealing when you can do the entire route for a little extra cost. In my opinion id happily pay upto £40 with pre-purchase of £35. Then a DLC unit for 12-15. Im looking forward to TSW4 BUT its just another 'mehh' reaction to the UK route selection. No end point of route, the ONLY reason it was chosen is to make money from the scotsman. Which again is good to have but it just doesnt fit the bill for a brand new game/route. Do people agree? Would you like to see euston to new street with DLC loco afterwards?
I disagree, personally unless it is set pre-Virgin the WCML won't be a buy for me. The upcoming ECML route is the route I have wanted to see most in game and is also another highly suggested one so very good to see it coming. To answer your second question no I wouldn't like to see it, unless set pre-Virgin. This should be in the suggestions forum really anyway but there we go.
I think most people would be excited to see the WCML but I don't see it coming before TSW5. It would need to include more freight than they usually bother to put in and something that isn't a class 66!. Something like Rugby to Stafford (including the Daventry rail terminals) or Carlisle to Glasgow I would be very excited for but not really bothered about another 'Londonshire' route. I am really looking forward to the ECML route. I just wish it was longer (to York) and had another loco option like 180 or 91.
What I hate more than a "XYZ when?" Thread, is one where people like to suggest a price as if they have any idea or concept of how much that route should cost in development/ revenue. Also... £40 for a route? What? No. That's almost the same price I paid for Starfield.. which is infinitely better than a TSW route As for the "Do you agree?" No, no I don't want another high speed route.
I have an inkling that something WCML was in production at some point, right before Virgin WCT lost their license, DTG published an article talking about their trip with them, along with some images of 395’s that looked asif they had been modelled in TSW. This was of course back when articles for both TSC and TSW were in one place, so I might be off the mark. WCML is probably assured, it’s a massively iconic route & DTG likely don’t have any doubts about its sales performance. The only thing more likely than a WCML section in TSW, is that it will be set in the modern era. The standout issues IMO are; what section will it be? Bham to Euston seems too complex for what DTG like to do & will DTG bring it with both the 350 & 390? That will go against their one train for a higher price strategy they’ve had going on for a while. I suspect we’ll see a route containing the 350 alone first.
Personally I’d like quite very much to see a modern WCML, particularly the class 390. I also particularly like the Avanti livery and have no doubts virgin would appear on CC, should/when the 390 exists in TSW. would it be a 2 loco route ? or see something like the 350 brought in from a different route ?, I don’t know, both options I wouldn’t say no, I wouldn’t have thought they would bring 2 loco packs with TSW4 but they pretty much did, so I wouldn’t rule out it being a 2 loco route, especially one that will appeal I think quite largely. no idea what section will come, I probably wouldn’t have guess Doncaster to Peterborough on ECML, but I never totally minded which section, hopefully one day routes like ECML and WCML will be fully done and about. I do particularly favour either London - Birmingham or maybe Carlisle to Glasgow. Then again something in the middle i think would be great also.
Euston to Birmingham was, and probably still is an actual car crash in TSC.There are MANY lessons to be learnt from that route!
Agreed but for me it’s a performance issue related to TSC, pretty much a guaranteed crash when I get into new street, so I don’t bother much with it. No point in trying to get DTG to fix anything in TSC, I gave up on that years ago. At least in TSW they might eventually fix an issue after a couple of years. TSW they might have a better go of it, and in all likelihood it will be shorter so should be of better quality overall.
As stated in the DTG direct long stream around a month back reason it was Doncaster to Peterborough section of ecml Is fact that it’s anniversary of flying Scotsman this very year that was constructed at Doncaster works plus Peterborough to Doncaster features the Stoke Bank location where the flying Scotsman set her famous speed record I hope this helps clarify Doncaster to Peterborough reason
Dtg having licenses for creators club doesn't necessarily mean a license to create a route. Otherwise we would have had some section of the wcml by now. Also to remind you it's a lot more complicated to create stuff in tsw compared to tsc.
Looks like the weekly WCML contagion has spread from the Suggestion Box to the rest of the forum. Posting a long essay is not going to make it happen any quicker or with any more likelihood than whatever DTG or their associates might be contemplating. Besides, the only WCML worth having in my mind is BR Blue with Class 81 to 87 and Class 310 EMUs on the locals. Throw in a Class 25 for the trip freights, you can take my money!
I heard it’s coming and will be Penrith to Oxenholme with a single unit. One of the existing Class 66’s with un-branded cargo wagons will layer in with 2 services every 24hrs. Happy days.
Tring to Cheddington with one of those converted rail bike contraptions you can hire on some mothballed lines in Sweden or Portugal. Always wanted to try one of those actually!
WCML isnt just a high speed route, thats the point of making WCML instead of ECML, and the fact that your happy to pay less for shorter routes with less locos just shows this game will always be arcade style with the current 60 mile average, its poor.
I’d buy a modern day WCML. I would ultimately like it and the upcoming ECML to be expanded to include the full route, but I can only dream of that.
If ECML South is off the cards then I highly doubt we'll get anything like WCML South anytime soon. Something like Rugby to Stafford via Birmingham New Street OR the Trent Valley would be more probable.
Went on one in Northern France, they're actually kinda fun. Expect for the whole dismount and shuffle to the side because it's a bi directional single line. Called the Velorail!
WCML over Shap was one of my favorites in TSC so if they ever remade that it would defo be a day 1 purchase.
I mean, I'm happy to pay for the short arcade style 60m routes because, an longer in terms of distance or time taken to play would be impractical with my gaming time and there would literally be no point me paying for it. Id they did a 100+ mile route that too nearly 2 hours for a service, it would be a hard pass because I would rarely finish a service/ scenario and well, what's the point?
I am sure we will get part of it one day. I would love WCML south but I can't see that happening for many years. If we get a section I would hope for something like Carlisle to Preston or Glasgow. Rugby to Stafford for me doesn't work well as many trains don't even stop at Rugby, or they didn't and there is no self contained service within the route. Although you can say the same for the ECML route.
Any large mainline request these days is a wish. Be grateful if you get one. But don't get your hopes up for one. Yes, maybe we will get wcml some day as there is alot of stuff in game already that would make it easier to build but it seems unlikely given dtg have just finished making the ECML + (Doncaster- Peterborough).
Yea it was an understandable choice to go with on that front and hopefully going to be great, my lack of it’s guess above was purely based on at the time the Scotsman wouldn’t have been placed in the equation and of all sections London - Peterborough I would have said as most likely, especially with at least some of the stock already available
2 hours drive... no problem, just run it in two or three sessions and save the game, which most times works perfectly fine these days.
If we get any section of WCML. We are going to most likely get the Trent valley line, maybe to Crewe but I doubt it
No Trent valley, because it’s only 55 miles and they can rehash the 66 again and maybe a 350 with a 390 coming as dlc
