Hi everyone, my suggestion for TSW4 is the extension of the Hauptstrecke Hamburg-Lübeck. This extension would include some new rolling stock and the new features of TSW4. Here are the details for this extension. The line would run from Hamburg Hbf to Lübeck Travemünde Strand for one part of the line and the other part would run to Neustadt (Holstein). The total lenght of the extended line is around 90 km (56 mi). The services include will be the RE8, RE80, RB81, RB85 and RB86. The rolling stock used would be the stadler KISS 160 (BR 445) in NAH.SH livery. The BR 445 as a top speed of 160 km/h (100 mph) and a traction power of 4 000 kW. The BR 445 replace the DBpbzf 766.5 (Doppelstockwagen) hauled by locomotives and is used on all the services (except RB85). For the RB85, the rolling stock used is the BR 648 in NAH.SH livery. The BR 648 as a top speed of 120 km/h (75 mph). However, the stadler kiss was delivered on September 2022 and enter in commercial service on January 16th, 2023. That mean that some dosto are still in service during the delivery of the BR 445 (like in rapid transit). The extension would also include the DB BR 401, DB BR 403, Railpool BR 193 and all the rolling stock include in the original DLC upgraded with TSW4 features. Here are some photos and video of the new rolling stock/stations : BR 445 (Stadler KISS) : BR 648 : Lübeck Travemünde Strand : Neustadt (Holstein) : Here are some links and documentations : https://www.nah.sh/assets/NAHSH_BahnlinienSH_2020_web.pdf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DBAG_Class_648 https://openrailwaymap.org/index.php I also used an article from Rail Passion n°309 (July 2023) about the stadler kiss for Schleswig-Holstein. I hope you like my proposal and don't hesitate to give your opinion.
For the RB85, the stadler FLIRT Akku (BR 526) could be used because it's an electric train that used battery on non-electrified lines, but I'm not sure if they are in circulation on this line.
Man, The BR 648 in the 2 pictures within the rapeseed field close to the baltic sea looks astonishing. Would be so cool to have that as a new branch and with this finally a german TSW route driving at the north or baltic sea. The issue is that this would be a map upgrade. As many people hoped already for the upgrade of the Dresden-Riesa route, they do not seem to plan map upgrades for exisiting routes at the overhaul to new TSW4/5/6/7 standards. A shame. Especially here it would be such a great addition to the route and the complete game.
I totally agree, because central and southern Germany are very well represented and not the north, even though it's a very beautiful part of Germany, especially the coast. The best option would be to have the entire RB85, but I'm afraid the line would be too long.
Even better bring it to the train Ferry Puttgarden Rødby Vogelfluglinie. Option 2 have the whole route and electrified including the train tunnel to Denmark
I lived in both, the north and the baltic sea land parts of Germany, but have a personal preference for the baltic sea, also because of family reasons. The seaside regions have a different kind of beauty to it, that pictures merely can reflect. You need to dive into the atmosphere to feel it really. Maybe it would be too much as an extension to Hamburg-Lübeck, but as a single DLC maybe even with the branch to Travemünde Strand station, it would be amazing.
I totally agree that the line should go all the way to Puttgarden but as I was saying to RobertSchluz, I'm afraid the line would be a bit long (not for me but for DTG) as it would be about 150 km (93 mi) not counting the brach to Lübeck Travemünde Strand.
Wow, a train ferry experience. Aside of the lenght of the route, that would be outstanding but also quite complicated to create I guess. And how would you get along with the timetable then? You drive into the ferry and then have a fixed time to travel from Puttgarden to Rødby and vice versa. I just looked up more information about the Fehmarnbelttunnel and the official site states that they think the tunnel shall be finished in 2029. DTG would need to create a tunnel on their own with the material they have for it.
Thanks for the information about that and for the Puttgarden Railway Ferry it needs 363 290 for it to put D trains for them like 231/232 Hook of Holland Copenhagen Express. For the Fehmarntunnel DTG needs construction documents from the companies and Voltage change diagrams at Puttgarden. Even better the extension to Puttgarden from Lubeck Hbf in the Bundesbahn era with the mentioned trains with 363 290 at Puttgarden docks
Very well idea!!! This route would be my favourite, especially with the BR 445 and the BR 648. DTG must definitely implement this! The current Hamburg Lübeck is poorly implemented, not even the Dostos with the "high entrances" were implemented. The potential was not exploited at all. A line extension and two new trains would turn the line from a 0/10 to an 11/10!
Can existing routes be edited and extended with the TSW4 editor? Maybe that would be a great community project if DTG does not do anything to improve Hamburg Lübeck
Interesting considering the BR 445 is also the Bombardier Twindexx Vario, so I was surprised to read that it was also a Stadler Kiss (with both using the same train numbers, and also both going out of Hamburg Hbf too (the bombardier version going towards Kiel and is Green ) (to note I have no say in suggestions - but I did the research for the TS1 : Lübeck to Kiel route in 2019 - so in the past have suggested Kiel to Hamburg for TS1 but failed in that one, but I do like the blue 648 - more because everything is in red in Germany - so something different )
I don't know if this locomotive runs on this line, but I think the Stadler Euro9000 (link to my suggestion : https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/stadler-euro-9000.69977/) might be a good addition to the extension.
As far as I know, the Twindexx does not normally run on the Hamburg Lübeck route but on Hamburg Flensburg or Hamburg Neumünster- Kiel.
Hamburg-Lübeck is not a bad route but might can be a bit boring after a while since for 90% of it you drive through trees (even within the boundaries of Hamburg, lol). I prefer landscapes to look at when I drive, either it's the big city atmosphere or the charme of the wide and diverse nature with remarkable spots to look at. The timetable and the loco variation on the route is also rather disappointing with just 2 locos, the DB BR 112 and the MRCE ES 64 U2 (3 if you include the control car of the DB BR 766.2). I know that a lot of other routes also only have a few locos, however it limits the fun you can have with it, especially if the route itself is not 100% attractive for anyone. Adding the baltic-near branches with new trains would enhance the route a lot in my opinion, but I don't think they would add it to the DLC. It's more likely that they create a complete new add-on for it, if they like some of the proposed routes.
This is a quote from the official PC Editor FAQ: Can you modify existing routes? No, you will not be able to modify existing routes, as you will only have access to the cooked pak files. You can add new scenery using the scenery overlay system, but you cannot remove or modify existing scenery, track or signalling. To me this means, yes to your question. However, you might can't modify the "crossover scenery" between the new and old scenery, so if someone creates branches it requires the exact rail connections to the new scenery. However, this is just a theoritical thinking about it. I don't know what limits and requirements the PC Editor really has for the users to create a new branch to an exisiting route nor made any experience with it. But I don't think that people in the community just can create routes like that we used to have made from DTG. Some knowledge and experience is lacking for sure in comparison to the developers who did so for years now. But not to discourage anyone. Proof me I'm wrong.
Personally, I don't know anything about it, so I'm not going to get involved. But it would be nice if DTG could do the extension.
The Twindexx is the 445.0 (also 446), while the KISS is 445.1. Confusing, yes. It's not like they'd be running out of numbers anytime soon. Fun fact: DBAG had a prototype double deck EMU in 1998 numbered 445.001. This was a one-off set built by Siemens, without an interior and used to gather data on how such a unit would behave. It scooted on Germany's rail net for 5 years during various test programmes and was eventually scrapped in 2006. DBAG opted to not order a production series, but SBB did. That became the RABe 514.
omg, Stadler Kiss 160 (or 200) and Twindexx... BR445, I just love the design and would love to be able to drive it ))
