French Infrastructure

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  1. Boingleboeing

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    Bonjour,

    I am just wondering if anyone has any diagrams, with dimensions of anything related to SNCF infrastructure.
    Like signals, signage....

    Would be greatly appreciated ;)
     
  2. MYG92

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    There’s some drawings and diagrams but from the past, available on the internet and some forums. I can’t share diagrams from modern era for an obvious reason.
     
  3. Boingleboeing

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    Yeah I kinda guessed that I wouldn't be able to find anything and bet that if I ask SNCF réseau the answer is a big, non
     
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  4. Boingleboeing

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    Well they aren't going to just send their technical diagrams to some random dude... Sadly :(

    I might still give it a go you never know
     
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    I opened one and it said that, it’s confidential and should not be distributed anywhere. It means if I do so I’ll risk to be punished. I used to do some Transilien assets 3D modeling by guessing the dimensions, no choice.
     
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    Okay, well going to have to guess stuff :/ sad since they aren't really new
     
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  8. Boingleboeing

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    yeah, it's not a problem of understanding the French rail network, it is that I need the dimensions of the various signs that you can find on the french rail network, like for example the distance between two bulbes on an A type signal, with the objective or re creating them in the editor to first of update the existing signals to TSW4 standards and also because I am making a DLC (with the editor) and for the IPCS they use a different type of signals (for the people that know: les disques) which isn't present at the moment in game.
     
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    Ahhh I see. Sorry, I cannot help much there. Perhaps you could search for an image with the signal in it, then look in the background for a reference measurement, and use that to measure the dimensions of the signal in the image.

    Alternatively, you could measure the image itself, and scale it up or down in the editor until it feels natural.
     
  10. Boingleboeing

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    Yeah but after a lot and a lot of searching I am finding from time to time some documents stating some measurements so I'm just going to keep looking until I find "enough" and then model them in CAD
     
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    Scroll left/right. I think you´ll find here what you´re looking for. I don´t have time to save every scan in *.pdf.

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/mark_vogel/3331745167/in/photostream/
     
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    OK, here it goes ...

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    Well thank you all!

    Yes it is but that's when you know who makes the signals....
     
  18. Boingleboeing

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    And just to get back to you Pipe those signals are the old version not the new one (that being said I also need some semaphores)
     
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    I don’t know neither… I don’t work for SNCF Réseau I just went to Google and typed in “signaux dimensions”.
     
  20. Pipe

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    Ah OK, too bad.
    But maybe you want to follow my approach and search with the railway modelers. These guys are the proverbial nitpickers when it comes to scale fidelity. So, I presume they have the precise references also for the new signal versions.
     
  21. Boingleboeing

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    Yep that's exactly what i'm doing looking at every single forum that talks about trains :) :D!
     
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    Good luck and sorry for not being of more help.
     
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  23. Boingleboeing

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    Don't worry i'm used to finding impossible to find information :D
     
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    You seem to be quite knowledgeable on the topic already Boeing, but for anyone else (well, anyone else able to read French signalling technobabble, or with a very good OCR and translation software available) interested in SNCF signalling, I highly recommend checking out "La Signalisation Ferroviaire" by Roger Retiveau, a late 80s, 650 pages long, compilation of French signalling rules. The book itself hasn't been published in years but googling it should give a pdf copy as the first result.

    The first chapter, covering signal types, aspects meaning (both mechanical and light signals) and normalized signal sequences as well as signals positioning rules, is especially relevant for anyone interested in recreating those. Typical station signal layouts included as well.

    For the more technically and electromechanically inclined, the following chapters detailing standard signal and points actuation circuits, mechanical and electrical interlocks and the technology behind the KVB and TVM are pretty good as well.

    For those interested in modelling real lines as they exist today, https://carto.graou.info/ , built using SNCF's open data, has the location of every trackside signals and signs.
     
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    Great resource, thank you!
     

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