You do realize that these statements will be visible here until the next iteration and so on? The internet never forgets. We´ll come back when Number 5 is out and you´re still waiting for bug fixes. (Naaaahhh, don´t give me the "There are no bugs" bullmerde. There are, and quite a lot for "the best version ever".) The first fixes for Number 4 I´d not exactly call a success. But, maybe "wrong release build". It wouldn´t be a first.
I can easily make a new account lol. Problem solved. I don’t care if there are bugs, as long as it doesn’t affect my experience. So far, my experience has been mostly positive with TSW4. If there are bugs that impact my experience, of course I call them out. (MML game crashes) that’s not on. People who don’t own TSW4 shouldn’t be dictating to me though, on why I shouldn’t play it. “Every game” has bugs. MP games I play today, elder scrolls online, Texas chainsaw massacre are always rolling out fixes. TSW will never be bug free though. That’s something as a player I except. If they did own TSW4 they’d know how stable it is (on PS5). Xbox that’s another story. It seems to be having the worst time though from what I read.
Thats how to sell it! Btw, I dont think anyone is trying to tell you not to play it. To call it the best ever though does make me giggle.
Not the best ever lol. Best version Have you played it though, the new routes? They’re amazing. Comparing TSW3 launch routes with TSW4 launch routes. TSW4 set the bar higher this time around.
I'm certainly happy that's the case for sure! We all want a good TSW, but I think we disagree on how that path is being travelled. That's cool though.
No I totally agree. DTG could do things differently. As much as I don’t care about yearly releases of the game, I suppose a part of me would just like one complete edition and be updated frequently. I see this compliant a lot, there’s nothing wrong with one edition, but it is what it is. This is DTG business model even the consumers can’t influence them to change it.
Ah, I understand. If this is your guys' standards, then no wonder you are satisfied with the game, lol.
Well we can’t be all like you. Nip picking everything. That bush shouldn’t be there at the station. The trains wiring is 2cm out of place. The NPC shouldn’t be wearing a backwards baseball cap. The trains sounds are all wrong… DTG official recording. Nope! All wrong. The carriage number should be DI2143, not DI2142. The track ballast is not the right colour and it’s not high enough. That’s some of the stuff that matters to you in the game. Forget driving the train lol
What genuinley perplexes me is that there is a high likelihood that there is likely some encouraging change and wanting the game on UE5 or to have a totally new purpose built engine that will still want tsw2 put on it. All so confusing
Floating scenery, broken train features, missing OHLE, trains clipping thru scenery, incorrect audio, broken passenger behaviour....and lest we forget all the performance issues that continue to blight TSW. Not exactly 'baseball cap on backwards' stuff, is it? This is supposed to be a true to life simulator, so if anything doesn't correctly depict a real life scenario (within reason, of course) then it should have no place in the game..and just because you don't understand that, it doesn't give you the right to mock others who do. Besides, it wasn't so long ago that you were droning on about being chastised by the "haters" because you happened to like the game, yet here you are doing exactly the same thing towards people who don't like the game. So, congratulations on adding "hypocrisy" to your growing list of 'assets'
You forgot ‘justified’. He’s calling out someone who is clearly and deliberately trying to wind people up. There’s nothing wrong with doing so.
You and I know perfectly well that it was sarcasm and nothing else....so let's not make mountains out of mole hills.
It’s funny when you’re trying to take the moral high ground and say I’m mocking others, but you’re perfectly happy doing the same to me and other people for liking TSW4. You’re a hypocrite too. Since we are comparing older posts, let’s have a look at your previous comments… There’s nothing but hate for TSW as a whole, not a single positive comment. Surely there must be something you like about the game, if not, then why play it at all? I still stand by what I say. Train driving should be your main focus. Like the other guy (Dinobasci) your main focus is the cosmetic imperfections. Never mention the purple backwards baseball cap again. It belongs in TSW. It’s amazing feature. Too many chaps were their caps to side now days, and I hate seeing that! I got a question for you. What do you like about TSW (any version)? Can’t be negative, we know your dislikes. Only positive. Go!
I get a lot of that because I don’t fit/fall into peoples narrative. That’s okay though, I don’t mind being the lone ranger spreading some positivity on the game. I’ll leave the negativity to the other guys. There’s plenty of them.
"Train driving should be your main focus." Yeah and when I presented problems with that, you make an extremely sarcastic and condescending response because of the version I play. Doing that to someone who is bipolar is not advisable and you can interpret that any way you like pal.
Lol, where did you get this sily idea from? I tend to be active on the forums, discussing all areas of the game, from cosmetics to simulations and gameplay. The reason cosmetics is the one brought up most frequently is because it's the easiest to see and quite often would be easy to fix. But if you want to talk about driving the trains, then shell I mention all the services and scenarios that cannot be completed? Or where issues with signalling, physics or absence of certain track section makes for unprototypical driving?
I've stated on many occasions about how TSW2020 completely changed my outlook about driving 'pretend' trains and how TSW2 (Rush Hour, preservation team) took the franchise to the next level...I was even extremely complimentary about Dovetail Games adding TSW3 to Gamepass and one of the very few people who openly confessed to their enjoyment of trundling to Penzance in a 101. It's all their to be read.... So yeah, hardly the wall of hatred that you're making it out to be, is it?
Yeah because you think DTG has the obligation to fix a two year product. How would I know anyone’s current mental state. Why are you bringing your mental health into the argument for?
Yes there are a lot of broken services amongst all the routes for this game, by why not just report it and play a different service. You need to learn to accept this game is “never going to be bug free”. Something gets patched, then it breaks something else. It’s a constant battle for the devs. It’s not like it’s one game, it has many different layers attached to it. We’ll still be here when TSW10 launches talking about the bugs in the game. I can look past that though, as it doesn’t impact my experience as much as others on this forum.
I don't know that it was sarcasm as I have read many posts akin to that over the last few weeks, aimed at those of us who have purchased TSW4. If you were just being sarcastic then my apologies. If the poster you and others responded to was deliberately winding people up then it clearly has worked, however I don't believe they were, or were intending to. I do understand the reasons some are angry and upset, to some extent but the constant back biting and reading the same comments in multiple threads is certainly making me spend more time away from the forums and from what I can tell other regular posters seem to be doing the same.
In a way its good to have low expectations because then you're not disappointed. I prefer though to ask, "Can it be better?". If the answer to that is yes, then I like to try and push whatever I think could be better forward. There are many many things in TSW which are really good, superb even. But let's be honest, there are plenty of things that could be better. It's not about excellence, it's about getting it to a point where the weakest link is not something that is detracting from other strong links. I think that's reasonable
I couldn’t agree more with what you said. The scales need to be pushing more towards the pros, than the cons. Obviously there’s more cons right now. Even a fan boy like me of TSW4 can admit the game could be better. Hopefully this will change as the franchise grows.
I am not expecting a bug free game. No software is ever bug free. But if your software has OBVIOUS bugs in the first 5 minutes of playtime, then you have huge quality issues. You can twist it in any way you want to, but TSW is a train wreck in regards of quality standard. I do understand that this does not bother you, because you simply want to see a train from A to be, and I do accept that. But please understand that for many, expectations are a bit higher. If train going from A to B would all that matters to me, I would be playing MSTS, as MSTS at least has japanese content. But since TSW is marketed as the holy grail of train simulation with "immersive detail" and "authenticity", I would expect more. It's not just graphics. We have issues like in-cab signalling, a very important factor in railway operation, not working in a train SIMULATOR. Or locomotive physics being inaccurate in cases. You do understand that this is supposed to be a simulator, not just a casual mobile game, right?
Like I’ve already said. This game will never be bug free. You can keep preaching all the underlining problems the game has. I know they exist, and yes I agree that my expectations are a bit lower than yours. I’m not a train driver, I don’t research trains as a hobby, I’ve learnt everything there is to know by playing this game. That’s where I draw the line. It’s good there are consumers like you who complain frequently, as more bugs get fixed and eventually the game is in a better shape.
Thank you for understanding. Again, I am aware that expecting it to be completely bug free is unreasonable. The problem is more with the quantity of these issues. And what is the most annoying is that quite a lot of times, these things could be avoided by just a little bit more care. Sometimes even modders can do them without the proper tools in a very short time. My biggest issue with the franchise is that they always seem to rush releases, meaning they cut back on the original scope (therefore losing gameplay value) and neglect quality control. This results in a product that has great potential, but is brought down by all of these issues that could have been easily avoided. But then, to turn back into the original topic of this thread, the bigges issue of them all is that even if they do go back to fix things, they put them behind a paywall like in this case. If I buy a TSW3 route, then surely the bugfixes for that TSW3 route should be available for TSW3 as well, not only TSW4. I mean what is the point of buying anything for the current gen, when it is obsolete the day it comes out? With the current situation, I would be afraid to buy any TSW4 content even if I would be interested in them, because by the looks of it, any issue I might find will be only fixed in TSW5. So I am better of waiting until TSW5 and only buying the routes I want then? See how ridiculous this situation is?
I see what you’re doing Dinobacsi. You’re trying to convert me to dark side Every point you’ve made though is understandable and I can see why it’s frustrating for you and many others. As for buying new content. I’m conflicted on whether I should purchase the MML or Oldenberg right now, due to the negative feedback I’ve read. I doubt I’d even pick these up in the sale in their current state. A slight bug is one thing, but crashing your console on completion of a timetable service. I couldn’t deal with that. By the time TSW5 launches you’ll have plenty of content to choose from. The March madness sales hopefully will provide some hefty discounts too.
Just to chime in on the comment about routes being rushed. Appreciate we've all found something but some of these routes have took nearly two years to build. Even then, things still get through.
How long they have been in development does not really matter though? It is clear that they rush releases all the time. For every issue their answer is usually "we did not have the time". I mean, why do you think New York - Trenton released with such a bad timetable? Or why does Sherman Hill not have the third track available? Why is Oakville Subdivision missing a big part of the industry complexes it was supposed to have? Why did the Cajon Pass F7 get released without any appropriate rolling stock? For most of these (and many others) they admitted to originally planning to do more, but ran out of time. I mean it's just my opinion, but I would have rather waited longer for them so they could have actually deliver the original vision they had.
I don't think any of these have taken two years to build, 6 months tops. And, lets remember this: the leak about TSW4 which was in very early July, had the absolute correct date of both the pre-order and release. I.e. these dates were locked in well before they had any idea whether the routes would be complete by then. They must have had to rush the last parts of at least one route, you also remember that just weeks before they could hardly show some of them as they weren't very functional at all. So its always a last minute rush simply to meet marketing deadlines. Hopefully JT are not being rushed along and are taking the time needed. We also can see now we have the editor and people are trying to use the thing, the huge step up from making TSC routes or even other sim routes vs TSW. Yes part of this seems to be that the editor is so unwieldy that even the devs have trouble demonstrating and using it. But also it shows that you can't just magic up good stuff. It takes time and DTGs flywheel isn't compatible with that. We are also now starting to see that the very best regarded routes are non-DTG ones like Niddletalbahn or (hopefully) the Blackpool-Preston route. These have been given some love and TLC that go beyond what DTG would be willing to commit to content creation. If this is a trend, and its a small sample size so far, but its starting to resemble TSC where often people use DTG stuff as a base but then wait for 3rd parties to put out enhancement packs or updates because the vanilla items are, well fairly plain.
Good morning everyone, I'm happy to see that a discussion that got dangerously close to derailing into bickering managed to alter course into a more respectful and understanding tone. Please know that we value all voices, no matter the viewpoint. But also remember that disrespectful behaviour has no place here. Thank you, Jan
Amazing that tsw4 doesn't even come close to half of what TSC still does. Who said TSC was dead!! Yes there is a problem with tsw4, the quality of the DLC and especially the disastrous optimization mean that it is still lagging behind 6 years after its release!!! I'm sure if the game was at least fluid it would gain customers (players). DTG, I think you should take a break and try to straighten things out by optimizing tsw4.
Whatever any of us might feel in the moment about each other, the one thing we have in common which can always bring us together is shared frustration with the state of the game and its bugs.
I just want my issues from the SPG thread fixed especially after what Matt said there. As well, people who knew what condition I am suffering continued to taunt me and criticize me for playing an older version of the game as well as quote me when I didn't even quote said person. I get the discussion has seemingly got back on course but the posters who offended should be disciplined.
Tricky ethical ground there lupojohn. If offence is perceived but not intended, is the punishment warranted? If the offence is intended, then I always say I've learnt more about the person offending me than they will ever know about me. While hurt may be caused, why give those that cause it the satisfaction of knowing that.. Finally, if the offence is grevious enough, there are avenues to pursue. I doubt that an internet forum about trains is ever going to tick those boxes though, not compared to a world where absolutely terribly grievous offences are committed every day to those unable to defend themselves. A long time ago I was in email communication with a remarkable lady named Eva Korr. If you go on youtube there's quite a lot about her. She is remarkable in not only what she endured, but also in her power to remove herself from victim status, thus freeing herself to an extent. Instructional in many ways.
Thats fair enough. Im sure no one meant you any ill will. I hope you can have a good day anyway and I hope that at some point you might find use for what I wrote.
Not everyone in this forum who has engaged with you knows what condition you’re in. Which brings me back to my previous comment about why you thought I was criticising you based on your mental health, which you never responded to. If others clearly do know your condition though and have being using that as a way to insult you, then that’s uncalled for. I’m sorry you had to experience that. Hopefully those people got a warning of some kind.
