Road Map Train Sim World Roadmap - November 2023

I have to say that at the moment it look very good ! Well for the pack for the Arosa linie... I know a New Zealander from Taurangua who is not going to to be happy...

 

overall good roadmap, but i have to say about one thing and that's my thoughts on the 323, yes its nice to have a new 3rd party dev..... but seriously a reskin to a unit we already have 3 times.... even Brenda from Bristol looked at it and thought "you're joking, not another one" sadly it wont be a purchase from me as creators club exists, but i do wish them the best of luck

 

And an Australian who is unhappy it wasn't the whole route

 

Does that mean Allegra can be found on Arosa as a layer/substitute or is it only for free roam?

 

It couldn't substitute in since the ge 4/4 is loco hauled while the allegra is an emu. It probably has an alternate timetable which I doubt or it can be used through scenario planner and free roam

 

Wait, did I read that correctly about Rivet's gameplay pack for Edinburgh in that it will feature the DRS blue class 66?

 

We’re still waiting for the liveries from previous iterations to work on PlayStation:

 

This is a nice little roadmap. Lots of exciting things to come by the looks of it.

 

Bernina route looks cool and always glad to see a new 3rd-party in the mix.

Really DON'T like the change to the track monitor and hope it can be toggled to the old version- IMO the only good thing about it was for a quick visual distance reference and now that the scale will be changing based on speed it's not even worthwhile for that.

Not much on the horizon from DTG themselves- Maintalbahn seems very much a schedule-filler like Glossop was. Are we seeing a shift to more work on core features and having 3rd parties fill in the actual DLC release schedule?

Not sure if that would be a good or bad thing tbh.

 

Nice to hear a gameplay pack is coming for PFR finally hopefully simtrack do a good job!

 

The Bernina line is something I hoped for ever since I played it on TSC and have watched a number of cab ride videos over this route. We can hope that in the future we get the rest of it down to St. Moritz.

 

The route starts basicly in the middle of the bernina line. Again a route with nonsensical endpoints, why cut off the 20km to st.moritz? Or did i miss something?

Ill pass on this one.

(Even the announcement of the route is creating annoyance at my side. Thats not a solid reason to spend money at. Clearly not the news i was looking forward to)

 

You are correct. Drs and One livery

 

Seriously Is that guy ever happy with anything tsw related though?

 

DTG team, I think it is great that you enjoy seeing what the community is making, much of it by trial and error, judging we barely have any documentation from you.

My friends and I are trying to create content for TSW 4 with the public editor, we've managed to do quite a lot, but it is quite a painful process not having no basic documentation on content creation. Sure, there's already explanations on how to create a route or timetables, or even scenarios.

But surely you already have some sort of a manual / guideline for third party developers on how to create a train or a route asset. We're really in need of your support to bring us the basics on how to get a train running. What do we need to do in terms of blueprints to get certain things to work.
I really hope you can help us people who haven't ( yet at least ) got the possibility or time to fully dedicate our lives to become a third party developer with DTG and rather do our work as a hobby for fun / for free.

Please do note that our team has intentions on contacting a railway company for licensing and working together with you. But we need to gather experience with the tools, and that's quite difficult because of the reasons mentioned above.

Thanks for listening / reading!

 

Good question... Edit : He did a video where he explained what he liked about TSW so I guess yes

 

I didn't saw that it wasn't the entire route so now...

 

Do we need another class 66? The UK has more to modern freight that the 66. The new pack just feels like an attempt to get more money with little care for the community.

 

He's only happy if it's fully detailed (use niddertalbahn as a baseline), has no recycled rolling stock, has multiple new rolling stock, has really good sound, is long, is complete, has multiple branch lines, any inaccessible lines have traffic on them (wasnt happy when bpe didn't have the subway line traffic), has no missing ohle for ohle routes and doesn't have any useless gimmicks. Well it goes on and on but it needs to basically meet most of those criteria

 

Well it's a gameplay pack, not a loco pack. Now we know drs and one are official licenses now so we can start seeing newer rolling stock

 

It would be in my opinion a very positive thing if it meant more bugs got fixed.

Whether or not there is a TSW3 patch this year should be a key indicator of how seriously DTG take bugs...

 

A new 66 livery that's not EWS??!?!? Is this actually Real Life?!

 

Glad to see class 66 liveries that are not DB or EWS

 

Or is it just fantasy….

 

Great, new content, but almost nothing about addressing the core issues. I saw nothing about the scenario designer, nothing about the path finding issues on Free Roam, the weird behaviours of passengers, issues with spawning trains, etc. Correct me if I am wrong but I'd rather have at least a playable and enjoyable game without broken marketed core features that are left untouched forever

 

Will the "Winter Update" arrive before or after Christmas?

 

Well they go on break from around christmas to new years so it would have to come out before

 

He wont be happy with anything will he

 

They said they're looking into passengers on NYT at least. We also got an update on the TSW3 patches, though still no release date which is rather worrying.

 

What is the express pack for Edinburgh to Glasgow

 

Class 66 ONE and DRS livery with Seacow wagon and 5 scenarios

 

A pretty mundane Roadmap, TBH.

Already commented in the Rivet speculation thread that the decision to start the Bernina Line at Ospizio is just... bizarre. As noted the entire route is only 38 miles and yes, we know now how tough the route editor is to use but these guys are experienced hands at it. It at least needs to go to Pontresina where the transfer of through coaches and freight to/from the AC network occurs. And the Allegra is far less interesting a train than the classic railcars or electro diesel locos that hauled trains for many years. A pass for me unless common sense prevails and the route is extended to a more logical endpoint. It;s actually worse than ending PFR at Ambergate!

As to the rest, well the new German route will probably be for the Easter or Summer sale next year. It's another bus service, of which I already had my fill on Vorarlberg and Niddertalbahn.

Another Class 66 reskin is hardly big news and a huge fanfare for a new developer who has reskinned a 323 and created a few scenarios is a bit underwhelming. The cryptic reference to "peaked" assuming PFR is interesting and if it's something like a Class 104 DMU and/or a Class 25 then I'll certainly sit up and take interest.

And as others have stated, very little on some of the core issues which continue to plague the game.

Other than the Blackpool route, I see TSW having a lean time of it from my wallet in the next few months.

 

Can you explain what you mean by this? As long as you know what the current scale is, you should be able to easily calculate distance. In the article, DTG said:

The track monitor will also look ahead and scales the distance depending on your speed. If you are travelling at 0-80kmh, you will see a 1.5km distance ahead, which scales up to a 6km distance the faster you’re travelling.​

As long as they display what the scale is at any given time, mentally cutting that distance into half, quarters, etc, will give an estimate of distance, no?

 

There's no approx. release date on nearly everything, not even a timeframe, just either "when we are ready" or "we will announce it soon" or "we are looking into it".

Also, about the PC Editor - I noticed "cooking mods (creating pak files for mods)" is in the list about "[...] gathering [this] feedback, [and] currently we have a few specific focusses in mind". What is that supposed to mean? Are you calling the most important feature of modding and content creation "a feedback suggestion" that you only have "in mind"? I don't want to look like I'm purposefully reading into it negatively because you are DTG, but this really sounds like it's not a "important thing"

 

Oh I know who you are referring to. Do you even watch his videos? He gives honest opinions and knows what a route should be like in terms of how it would be in reality. I mean DTG do say this game is an "Authentic Recreation of Routes and Trains from around the world" and comparing a route to how it should be in reality is how the game should be judged. It's better than most of DTG ambassadors who just give blind praise of the product and hardly show the cons

Also I do agree that the Swiss route not being the full line makes no sense. The full route is 38 miles and even if the run time would be long, they could just either split the services into two parts or just save the game and come back to it later. The short length along with Rivet's history of issues with all of their products make this route an easy pass

 

I hope Rivet are going to deliver fixes to the existing Edinburgh to Glasgow dlc and not just release a little easy moneymaker….

 

Used to occasionally, stopped a long while ago. I avoid his videos tbh. They may be his honest opinions but to me, they came off as rude and a tad aggressive. I know that's no different from how some people act on here but I'd rather watch someone else. As far as I remember the only route he actually like is Riesa - Dresden.

 

To me, that isn't the case. You can't really judge someone fully if you don't watch all of his reviews. Also he did say why he likes tsw and he does like certain routes such as the Midland Mainline, Boston Sprinter, IOW 2022, The Niddertalbahn, SEHS amongst others that I will not list.

I think there are those that can't handle a different opinion so they will judge those that have a different opinion. I bet that if the reviews were all just positive, there would be those that wouldn't judge how he reviews content

 

Please please please dtg can we have any news on the z fighting on xbox it's been happening since tsw2. And it's very distracting on some locos like the vectron .

 

Sure, but like i said it was most beneficial as a quick reference- i didn't have to know what my current speed was to determine the current scaling, or any other information but i could immediately look up and see speed reduction in half a mile, signal in 1 mile, etc.

I do like that they added the station platforms to it.

 

Very cool roadmap. Lots of previously secret add-ons we had almost no details on were revealed.

Some thoughts below:

• Blackpool Branches looks great as expected. I heard some audio announcements at the end of one of the preview videos, so I’m wondering if we’ll get those? Also, some people were complaining about reused idle audio from the BR 101, is this true? By the way, great to gear that the Pacer will have the new suspension already!
• Maintalbahn seems to be making good progress, likely to arrive in the coming weeks I suppose. Have yet to recognize unique features on this route… hopefully it’s not just a modern and less polished Niddertalbahn with a different train. The character of both routes seems quite similar. Lots of cool German/Austrian content in the works, so Maintalbahn will have to be quite good if it doesn’t want to fade into obscurity.
• Bernina looks great. But it obviously sucks that the whole line isn’t represented. Let’s hope the runs are long and unique enough. Rolling stock seems decent with the (finally) fully automated announcements as well. No need to tap a virtual touch screen like on Edinburgh-Glasgow anymore! But Rivets past releases have always been lackluster, so there’s unfortunately no way I’m buying this anytime soon, no matter how good the previews look. According to the roadmap stream, quite a lot of rolling stock including some freight wagons comes with the route. Nice, thought these would be locked behind the Arosa pack.
• Arosa-Linie freight pack. Hmm… these freight services should have been included with the initial release - after all the route already comes with a freight wagon. Maybe these will layer onto Bernina and vice-versa to incentivize players to buy both routes? Regardless, releasing yet another pack for Arosa is just a cash-grab obviously. Overall you’ve got to pay a huuuge price to get the full experience out of such a niche (and negatively received) route.
• Edinburgh-Glasgow freight pack. I initially was very disappointed by this since it includes just one new service (seriously?). But I’m at least happy for the freight fans because they’ve finally got some new liveries for the Class 66 after literally half a decade. Still, I feel like much more could’ve been possible. The lack of proper freight services in this pack is a huge disappointment. Upon re-reading the article, maybe the paragraph is just poorly worded and there will be a proper freight timetable for the route? Hopefully we’ll find out soon.
• SimTrack loco. I won’t judge this too harshly since it’s probably just a way for these new developers to get used to the game before tackling the hugely requested Peak Forest Diesel services. But I haven’t seen anyone requesting yet another livery for the Class 323. Picking a different UK loco/EMU with a livery that’s widely requested by the community would’ve been the better (and more lucrative) move in my opinion. Still, excited for their future work.
• Mini hud improvements look great. Just what I wanted with the current speed and so on. Having the objective distance up in the HUD will enable me to turn off the stop marker. However, hopefully we’ll be able to turn the dynamic scaling of the track map/bar off, along with the blue bars for the station platforms. I really like the current simplistic look of the bar, as well as the 2km scale because it allows me to “divide” the bar into pieces to estimate my distance to signals and speed limits.

The “patch notes” for the roadmap itself at the beginning of the article have also caught my attention.

• The US route moved from 6+ months to 0-3 months? That’s a huuuge jump. Hopefully this just means some priorities have been shifted around internally and not that the scope of the route has been reduced (thus requiring less development time).
• Skyhook pack has been added to the roadmap. Their last gameplay pack was pretty underwhelming, hopefully something interesting this time around. Gameplay packs are generally becoming very underwhelming, feels like they’re turning into zero-effort cash grabs no matter the developer.
• German loco changed to Austrian loco? Maybe just a miscommunication on the initial roadmap? Or it’s a freight loco where the nationality depends mostly on the livery/operator and not on the architecture/type.

Will edit this post if I have more thoughts!

 

https://creatorsclub.dovetailgames.com/creations/26923
Why do we need yet another Class 66? I've already done the Class 66 587 As One We Can livery over 2 years ago as have many other Creators Club users. Surely we could benefit from a new loco like the Class 57, 68 or 70 ?

 

Where did the German loco from 6 months+ go?

 

MML & SEHS!? Really? Considering the intense criticism mml got I would've expected that to be one of his least favourites. And SEHS, I remember when Tsw 3 came out, to me it didn't seem like he liked it very much, I remember him questioning why it didn't go as far a Ramsgate, Sheerness, Medway valley and the decision to extend it Darford. Didn't expect it to be one of his liked.

 

From JustTrains' latest dev update:

It is now an Austrian loco.

 

Thank you

 

Thanks for the info! Interesting that they chose to add the audio for West Cornwall Local, and not to the other routes represented on the destination boards. Maybe it’s because that’s the most modern of the routes the Pacer could layer onto and NTP/TVL both require additional work for the announcements to function? There could also be a gameplay pack with the Pacer for these routes in the future?

 

I watch all his videos and I don't personally like them. His earlier videos had him yelling into the mic, yelling curse words which came off as very aggressive. Calling devs lazy and incompetent doesn't help with anything or result in improvement. Anger and feelings won't get you anywhere. Plus, he expects the developers to do everything before he considers it good. Expecting them to create an entire network that is both long and has multiple branch lines with numerous brand new rolling stock and all types of coaching equipment is unrealistic. The developers don't have an unlimited budget or time or all the reference material.

Some being unreasonable such as putting traffic on the mbta subway line on bpe even though that's not the focus of the route. Even making the schwebebahn on rro have a full timetable and also making it drivable.