We Need Updates To The Great Western Express Line

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  1. thomas#9589

    thomas#9589 Active Member

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    You should add branches (including North Downs line from reading) and you should update the map
     
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  2. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    They've already said no to extensions or updates for gwr. It's just too old
     
  3. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    This route deserves starting from scratch and doing properly. The original is too limited in its scope. As the OP says, branch lines (Passenger and Freight) need adding but North Downs Line needs to be separate.
    The original route is just too far behind everything else now. The same applies for East Coastway which needs the Wivelsfield branch added at the very least.
     
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  4. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    Tbh either restart from scratch or just improve it again. It should also branch off to Greenford, Heathrow, Windsor & Eton Central, Bourne End, Marlow and Henley. Whilst these routes may not be as popular worth adding it would atleast be good to never ever have to cover those sections again in the near future
     
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  5. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    They never said they wouldn't remake the route from scratch.
     
  6. Steuerwagen

    Steuerwagen Well-Known Member

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    a new timetable would be a nice update if they don't end up rebuilding the whole route.
    since it just feels so empty with the current one.
     
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  7. elarthur

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    A total rebuild is needed. The freight branches to Brentford and Colnbrook are also essential additions as well as the Northolt branch. Perhaps a different year for the setting would be beneficial as 2015 was a weird limbo period. Either go fully diesel (pre 1995) or fully electrified (post 2018). Lastly, I think it imperative to bring the Class 165/1 & 180, particularly if the 2015 period is to remain. This would really make the route so much better than the present iteration, if these items could be implemented.
    As a local to this route and possibly its biggest fan, I will bang the drum for these improvements until DTG either state unequivocally that it will never happen, or we see the desperately needed changes.
     
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  8. Migsithepigsi

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    Yeah Brentford and Colnbrook would be cool especially for if we ever get the North and West London Line (if you see my thread you'll know)
     
  9. OldVern

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    Heathrow unlikely to happen due to BAA wagging the security and licensing finger.

    Still reckon a late 80’s rebuild would be cool with an extension to Oxford and throw in the Class 50 and Class 117 DMU.
     
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  10. Trainiac

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    I made a suggestion for a new London - Swindon route not too long ago, it's somewhere down the list.
     
  11. T.83

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    Cardiff to BTM/Parkway would be nice if DTG can get a licence from TfW.
     
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  12. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    An extension to Oxford sounds great especially with Didcot Parkaay and T.C giving a purpose for some freight routes. Maybe one day a Reading - Exeter / Bristol?
     
  13. Lil jj

    Lil jj Well-Known Member

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    We don't need updates, you want them
    Personally I don't need or even want them
     
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  14. elarthur

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    You personally don't wish for them but this route and East Coastway lag so far behind the other routes at this point that they are drifting into obsolescence. GWE has never received a single realistic dlc, despite the fact that there are at least a few other types perfect for it. Beyond that, both routes are rather short by recent standards and could be vastly improved with the addition of the relevant branches on each as well as termini further from their current points. This in turn could see a new and more interested fan base with the potential profit this would bring. These routes would then finally be more in line with recent releases. It worked so well for SEHS with a rework to include more mileage as well as the myriad of dlc it received. I (and others) believe that there is a strong case for this to happen.
     
  15. Migsithepigsi

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    So, where do you in turn want this to be extended? Other than the smaller branches of course
     
  16. elarthur

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    Swindon might be a bit ambitious but Oxford should be doable. At least the high speed services can be a little more like ECML.
     
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  17. Migsithepigsi

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    Fair enough
     
  18. UnlimitedMagic

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    Even though you and other people don’t want this there is also a group that do. And this applies for every DLC that has come out
     
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  19. jluke#8309

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    DTG dont have the licence for GWE anymore
     
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  20. elarthur

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    If it truly is the case that DTG no longer have the First GWR licence, then perhaps it is the perfect excuse to rebuild the route during the earlier diesel only era (pre 1995). Failing that, a fully electrified period could work if they were to use a debranded version of the livery along the lines of Rivet Games Island Line 2022. Personally I would be happy for anything that would improve the route.
     
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  21. elarthur

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    It is increasingly apparent that the current GWE is being left far behind at this point. When tsw2 was launched, the original NEC route was dropped as it was deemed incompatible in original form to carry over. Perhaps it is time to do the same with GWE and ECW in favour of rebuilt, extended and improved versions.
     
  22. AtherianKing

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    it’s just a rumour (a one that I can’t seem to find why it would come about), they haven’t officially confirmed that, but a mod in the roadmap stream did share that they’re was no news on that subject when I asked if they’re had been any changes to the GWR license or no news.
     
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  23. AirbourneAlex

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    As good as GWE is, I much rather time were spent developing a completely new route than rebuilding GWE. Something in the south west such as the line via the Dawlish coast from Exeter to Plymouth and Paignton would be my preference for more GWR content.
     
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  24. NotDavid

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    We do indeed need a refresh and maybe instead of the 166 we should also include the GWR 158.
     
  25. elarthur

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    158s didn't operate the Thames Valley services. After 1992/3 it was 165/1 and 166 Turbos.
     
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    I meant on a extension
     
  27. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Down in Cornwall and Devon would be ideal for 158s.
     
  28. jluke#8309

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    its not a rumor
     
  29. AtherianKing

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    Unless you are to share proof it isn’t, it’s a rumour.
     
  30. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Perhaps someone from DTG can clarify this once and for all.
     
  31. jluke#8309

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    it was said on a stream
     
  32. elarthur

    elarthur Well-Known Member

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    Is this a fact DTG JD
     
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  33. Spikee1975

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    It's a pretty boring route, but a ToDv4 overhaul would be appreciated. Though BML should be first, being the last Rush Hour route that's still using the old sky.
     
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  34. AtherianKing

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    To my knowledge it hasn’t been, and neither have I seen anyone else say the same, so still rumour category until proof is provided.
     
  35. jluke#8309

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    i think its on one of theses streams :
    Train Sim World 4: One Special Day Charity Stream-A-Thon! (Day 1) or
    Train Sim World 4: One Special Day Charity Stream-A-Thon! (Day 2)
     
  36. AtherianKing

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    as good as those streams would have been, I know they will be about 10 hours each at the least from the title and ain’t going looking for GWR for 20 hours on a possibility.

    No proof stays a rumour.
     
  37. toms87

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    When did Cologne-Aachen get Tod4? Did I miss something?
     
  38. DazTrainz

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    Or perhaps set it back to the era of 1950s steam?
    Or a mixture of steam and early diesels perhaps?
     
  39. Migsithepigsi

    Migsithepigsi Well-Known Member

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    Nah no point in that, all I think would be good is extra branchlines and an update (might as well prepare Crossrail portal if ever they have the license)
     
  40. Bravo2six

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    It's not our business to know which license are held and which aren't, IMO.

    If we knew definitely which were and wern't, I know for a fact there would be a group of players taking it on themselves to harass these companies for whatever reason to either secure or retract them.

    Seen it before on other games, and it never helps anyone.
     
  41. Mateiule

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    Don't forget Basingstoke
     
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  42. Beduth

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    I would like to see Reading to Leamington Spa ,plenty of freight as well as Cross Country passenger services.
     
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  43. Indege

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    Would love to see London-Swindon + Newbury / Taunton with branch lines to Heathrow and the other branches listed
     
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    Some of the short lines along the route too.
    Twyford to Henley-on-Thames
    Maidenhead to Marlow
    Slough to Windsor and Eton Central
     
  45. elarthur

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    West Ealing to Greenford
    Southall to Brentford Waste Terminal
    West Drayton to Thorney Mill and Colnbrook
    Reading to Basingstoke
    Perhaps even Old Oak Common to Northolt

    All desperately in need of adding for additional variety on GWE.
     
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  46. thomas#9589

    thomas#9589 Active Member

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    even if the route was completely separate purchase from the old one I would still buy it
     
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  47. thomas#9589

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    they said in their gameblast stream a couple months ago they could make a new route and they want to aswell
     
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  48. Lil jj

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    yes, not the gwml
     
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    as far as I know, dtg doesn't have license for GWE anymore
     
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