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I can understand that many people were annoyed that they often only spoke German. However, you could still see the quality of the DLC and the vehicle and it was really only mediocre.

The sound of the 642 sounded more like a run-of-the-mill cheap cell phone game than an immersive, high-gloss simulation. Really important questions were ignored one way or another, so you can assume that even a stream in English would not provide any more insights.

The statement that they can't release a 294 series (was a question in the chat) because the sound thing is always so difficult and they want to have original recordings and their standards are high. They would get the model itself done quickly. I really had to laugh at that. The sound thing is difficult? Then why did they release the 642 in this stage? If they had original recordings, they were probably mixed really badly and it just sounds bad.

I really wonder if DTG is listening to the vehicle with open ears? And do they simply say "it sounds great, that's how we do it!"?

 

I understand you are upset with the german talk, on the other hand it gave some inside information. So I understand why you wish it being back in english, but it is not better to have only Matt their instead of the actual developers of the route. Then 60% of the ansers is "I don't know" or "I have to check back with the team". That doesn't help also...

I thought exactly the same

 

It was fine that they answered some stuff in German, but they really should have translated back into English, just because a question was asked in German doesn't mean those of us who are linguistically challenged shouldn't get to hear the answer (or, indeed, the question).

 

I think it just had a weird atmosphere overall, I really don’t mind if they want to do some German, but basically all of that stream was in German, it felt really alienating.

I wouldn’t have the same complaint if they usually did German previews in German & I agree with you that I prefer a dev to be on stream doing the talking, however that’s pointless when they’re doing it in German - I suspect there was quite a large audience excluded from the conversation there.

 

As far as they Said in the Stream IT will sub at DCZ for the 612

 

Yeah we know, the point is that it should also sub on BRO.

 

It was an unlikely purchase for me anyway but if what I read above about yet another train with botched or sub standard sounds, definitely leaving this one on the shelf.

 

Or at the very least also answer it in English as well.

 

Another idea would be to subtitle the German parts of the video and reupload that.

 

Dtg did comment under the video that there are closed captions in English

 

Have you actually watched with closed captions? Unless they were speaking pure jibberish in German it did not work at all. None of the translations worked at all.

Half the time when the speak German nothing shows up and when it does its all like single letters and a word like" I S Y click T P."

So not helpful at all. I would like to know what was teased for the next german route as that was all in german.

 

I can give you that. Lukas said three things over the course of the stream.

1. A route releasing next year will probably be his favourite in TSW.
2. He loves anything connected to the Frankfurt (Main) area.
3. He loves curvy routes.

He never said that those things are connected and I never checked if these things amount to anything.

 

Hopefully is not another one track route which seems to be the trend these days

 

Thanks, that is what I was looking for trying to figure out. But I haven't spoken German since the early 90's when I was in Bonn. And I wasn't that good to begin with, so there quick talking I couldn't make out what they were saying. Usually I can pick put some words and figure it out.

 

I like the look of the route going off the stream with Matt, Jan and Lukas. Will be acquiring it for my Xbox next Tuesday. I will wait for a sale before I add it to steam.

 

Watched a very limited part of the stream. Considering everything on the route is rebuilt and not reused (having learned a lot since Main Spessart Bahn), I have to say the route looked quite dull and bland. Really not impressed with what DTG is producing at the moment.

 

I thought the ground textures in particular looked very washed out and it felt like a repeating pattern was very visible which was quite off-putting. I like the buildings around Aschaffenburg station and it looked like a promising sort of area where lots of lines and sidings are there to create activity, but the general clutter and foliage is streets below the Just Trains route BPO.

All I will say about the language issues is that too often the two German guys on stream seemed to be talking to each other rather than to the audience and it seemed like there were some in-jokes etc that were lost on a lot of people watching. That sort of thing perhaps contributed to the feeling of being left out. I like different languages and strongly support being multi-lingual as a way of appreciating the world and people in it, but it helps to guide this carefully if people aren't expecting it.

 

Looks like the trackbed doesn't even feature 3D looking ballast, which has always been a basic feature of TSW graphics.


How comes? The only route I remember having 2D ballast was Niddertalbahn. It's off putting there as well, but since that was a third party route, I kind of accepted it as something they forgot to do properly. But how does DTG manage this when they have been doing routes with 3D ballast ever since the very first Train Sim World route?

It's like they put extra effort in to make the route look as bad as possible on purpose, lol.

 

I'm all for being inclusive and it's great you have the opertunity to communicate with German speakers. The issue for me was this wasn't signposted in advance (unless I missed it). The last time you did a German stream it was clearly signposted.

It also didn't help that the "jokes" on the PIS boards were all in German and clearly aimed a German speakers. Fine for Easter Eggs for the route but when they kept being referenced it felt like non-German speakers were excluded from the joke.

Happy to have bilingual streams in future if told in advance and they recap questions and answers on both languages as much as possible so neither audience feels excluded.

 

Original recordings are good (the sound while standing is also good ), but if the editing/mixing is not done carefully in the end, unfortunately what we end up with is what we currently hear:

https://voca.ro/1eB8gZHsLWyP

A comparison with an original recording:

https://voca.ro/1g2IMBThG5vc

Is DTG really happy with this?

 

If I was a DTG manager or director and was comparing those samples, I think I would be suggesting to the sound guy/girl he/she looks for a new job.

The prototype is deep, bassy and vibrant. The sim effort is just, well, awful. Sadly this does confirm what many of us have suspected with the UK Class 700 and the Azuma if not before - even when DTG acquire or are presented with decent quality sounds they just make a complete hash of mixing them.

 

Just gonna leave this here

 

DTG are not doing a great job at making the sim highly detailed and realistic. They often do quite the opposite.

 

Yes, for releases it will need definetly a new path how / what they create as dlcs / features. (Quick macro suggestion, was it that difficult to add maybe a new freight wagon to the dlc, which makes it more valuable? No we there is the huge harbour side, the new train we expected and the "average minimum" everybody expected. That is the reason im going for sale with this.

Preston blackpool convinded me 100%. Also the new features of tsw4, especially the free roam tools. Nice idea with the suspension technology. (That justifies a step to tsw3 to 4, which wasnt the case from tsw2 to 3.

Im tired of repeating how this franchise could get a bigger audience, since past 2 years a lot of loyal customers and many players have given truthfull constructive feedback.
I think DTG, Rivet and skyhook should be able to figure out by them self where the dog is burried.

Here to say they had many top creations like the class 323, 37 rog and good routes too.

But this ill get on sale

 

Re: sounds, while I certainly don't think the Desiro sounds are perfect, in my opinion there's one major thing forgotten in all the debates here: a video online is an imperfect recording and not necessarily completely representative of reality, just like the sounds that DTG use. I get the feeling that if DTG's train sounds different to some random phone video, most forum users will not even consider that the phone's audio may be off, rather than DTG's professional recording equipment and actual audio engineers.

I'm not saying DTG has never produced a train with bad sounds, just that it might be helpful if people expressing their opinions on a train's sound mentioned in their posts whether they have actually ever heard said train in real life rather than just on YouTube.

Having traveled on Desiros many times, including once just half an hour ago, I'd say the sounds aren't anything special, but perfectly serviceable. The engine sound itself is fine, but for the gear changes, it should rev down for a bit longer, you should actually physically feel power cut out for a bit, and the gearbox itself also makes a noise which seems to be missing completely from TSW.

 

Then you drove a different Desiro than me or I probably have a completely different hearing.

https://voca.ro/1eS7AEhADwzP

The sound (engine noise) produced by DTG has no power, bass or "life". It sounds completely artificial. You can hear that, even if you've never driven a BR642. As you yourself say, the switching processes are particularly ticked off and far too short. Maybe it would sound better if these were at least a little longer?! And the “cell phone video” posted by me and someone else reproduces the sound well and vividly. It's not a cheap "cell phone video" by any means, as you can hear. On the contrary, it sounds more like DTG recorded with a cell phone. But I know that the result is probably not due to the recordings, but rather to the later mixing and pitching.

Because: When stationary, the engine sound sounds good and realistic, it even has enough bass and strength. But as soon as the engine revs up, the sound changes completely.

 

Fair, more bass and "bite" would absolutely improve it, yeah.

 

It would be interesting to hear a sample of DTG’s original recording, did they mix it badly or did the recording fail to capture the bass?