Can We Pause New Routes For A Bit?

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  1. March Hare

    March Hare Well-Known Member

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    Agree, there is nothing insensitive or non-inclusive about that post, which I read before it was moderated. The point was about focusing in frivolous things and ignoring issues, which actually warrant acknowledgement and attention.

    Yes, we all like a bit of fun, but the joy fades quickly in the shadow of frustration over such apparent ignorance of bugs.

    Bugs? Who cares? Look at all these cats we've hidden around the route (clarification: I love cats and this is in no way to be misconstrued as hate towards cats or cat owners).
     
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  2. FredElliott

    FredElliott Well-Known Member

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    Not quite sure why this is so hard to understand

    I said nothing of the sort, but yes, should DTG staff so desire, they can ban, censor, edit, delete, moderate, or any other function that the forum software offers any post or thread that is posted here because it is a private server with which they can do anything they like because they own it and everyone including you and I are guests here at their discretion

    I also said
    Whether they should or would take actions on the example you specified I made absolutely no comment on, by design

    I will now stop abusing the bold and italic font styles and go for some nice pink instead
     
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  3. chacal#2181

    chacal#2181 Well-Known Member

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    Well, wasnt there since tsw4 release. I see tsw4 wasnt quite the super duper release that fanboys announced.
    I also see that JT put to shame DTG routes... But also that there is no change in their buisness model...

    I feel that in 2024 we will have a tSW5 and even more blant routes. After all some people still buy them.

    Still i wish Just Train good luck with the franchise... The playerbase is large enough and will buy quality content.
     
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  4. bartolomaeusz

    bartolomaeusz Well-Known Member

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    I read your insensitive posts all through the green loading bar.
     
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  5. StrikeEagle78

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    Shouldn't the loading bar be pink? :D
     
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  6. Michael Newbury

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    We all knew one day Matt would find a way to get something in that's Pink
     
  7. barryr21

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    I bought TSW4 in the Playstation sale, £24 for the 3 routes, despite me not being interested but I will get BPO after my next pay day. After a few blasts on the ECL however I am still frustrated at having to part with my money for what is essentially the same game, with the same problems (all routes still show as "new" for one). Roll on BPO
     
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  8. dxltagxmma

    dxltagxmma Well-Known Member

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    This really turned from a oven fire to a full blown house fire.

    "This is fine"
     
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  9. OldVern

    OldVern Well-Known Member

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    ROFLOL!
    Now we can both enjoy a week’s holiday.
    :cool::cool::cool:
     
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  10. RobertSchulz

    RobertSchulz Well-Known Member

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    Call me crazy but what if I would dare to raise a subsequent thought regarding this concern.

    What if the vast majority of DLC content creation wouldn't be made by Dovetail Games in the future anymore (or at least in a reduced manner)?

    Giving them the time and resources to fix and improve the broken core game (which they always say they wouldn't have) and an increased amount of third party devs, which do have the time to dedicate themselves creating DLCs of higher quality, would overtake this job?

    I think this could be a reasonable idea to think about not only providing high quality content again but also regaining the imagine of the company and the trust of its costumers.
     
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  11. RobertSchulz

    RobertSchulz Well-Known Member

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    Exclusivity can refer to a variety of things. Alex didn't specified that he meant what you understand of it.

    One point of the "exclusivity/non-inclusive" concern, indeed raised in this thread by a certain user as a reply to my post, was the financial situation, which could make me feel the game/the forum/the thread being inclusive to financially healthy persons only.

    Not that I would matter, but indeed an absolutely off-topic and rage-potential concern in here.

    But the post has been cleared by Alex, so you can't see it anymore now (but actually in the quote in my post you can see it still):
    Also the "mental break" comments like we were mind absent.

    So, in this regard, Alex was right. You too, but you had a different understanding of what he meant, so this came up.

    And another thing:
    Let's be happy that the thread has not been closed yet, like so many other threads in the recent past (it was certain times already close before) and with that give us the opportunity to debate about the main concerns raised by the OP but also replies any further.
     
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  12. March Hare

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    This is exactly what I was thinking, if feasible. On the surface it seems like a sound idea.
     
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  13. JetWash

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    Nothing to see here. Sigh.

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  15. Monder

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    Works on paper, but I think they would simply churn out even more DLCs in the hope of making that extra EXTRA buck.
     
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  16. $$$$ no chance of stopping progress
     
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  17. RobertSchulz

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    After DTG's thinking today, 100% sure. But since the thoughts in this thread are more about a theoretical (depending on your POV maybe even fictional) mind twist of DTG (but which we all probably know they don't even look at) a good idea for a theoretical example of a developer sitting in DTG's shoes, I think.
     
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  18. Indege

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    Problem with DTG is that they are smart and they know exactly what they are doing.... when releasing a renamed version of the previous game they add along a route alot of people want but you need the new game first that keeps their sales coming in... the only reason i bought TSW4 after debating myself for weeks is because of the ECML
     
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  19. JetWash

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    Speaking of things that are broken, what the hell have they done to the tracks in the snow in TSW4?! It now looks like TSC, which is to say awful.

    I gather it’s a core materials change so could you please either change it back or sort it out. It’s terrible. Driving in the snow used to be enjoyable, now it’s impossible.
     
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  20. pinxtonpaws

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    I don't have a problem with DTG releasing a new version every year...providing it's not just done as an excuse to drop support for a previous version.
    I do have a problem though when the only 'new' bit is the three included routes.
     
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  21. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    Can you amuse us with some shots? :D Still haven't bought through the paywall
     
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  22. Spikee1975

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    No idea what you mean exactly. What is different now?
     
  23. JetWash

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    I’ll have a look. It looks like the AP track pack for TSC, which is obviously limited by the engine. Snow used to look good in TSW but it’s now been replaced by this uniform single, ice looking texture that is a different colour to the surroundings. Just like in TSC. It looks bloody awful frankly.

    Spikee1975 A few people had questioned it on BPO as it was noticeable there. I thought it was actually a mistake on JT’s part and reported it to them to maybe fix but it’s actually the same on all routes and has been confirmed elsewhere to be a core thing caused by a change in the ‘track’ (probably ballast more specifically) materials
     
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  24. Spikee1975

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    Looking good here on Arosa
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    Also on ECML
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  25. JetWash

    JetWash Well-Known Member

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    You need ground snow to be at full and it needs to be in the right lighting conditions.
     
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    That's full on Arosa. It is always route specific.
     
  27. MaxBenchip

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    Well but before there was just snow (Which is "prototypical"): [​IMG]
     
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  28. JetWash

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    Left-Rhine, and it's the same on BPO and pretty much any other route you look at. I don't have Arosa. Tell me that doesn't look like TSC...

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  29. Spikee1975

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    Going to PBO, it seems there are two different materials/shaders used here, in and outside the station. I think that's what you mean.

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  30. Dinosbacsi

    Dinosbacsi Well-Known Member

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    The three core TSW3 routes seemed to get snow on the tracks right, but after that most routes seem to fail again.

    The tracks during winter on Linke Rheinstrecke also look horrible, for example. Not only it is the old type of snow texture (where there is no snow build-up, just white texture on top of the ballas and sleepers), but it is also entirely different color form the terrain around it...
     
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  31. Spikee1975

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    How can you drive with that cab camera ?!? There's a mod, just in case you're not aware ;)

    Also you can't generally speak of TSC, as each route is fully independent and it's up to the dev how he textures the tracks and surroundings.
     
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  32. JetWash

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    That’s with your mod installed my friend :)

    re BPO, I’ll have to look up the service/scenario where it’s really obvious. The track/ballast and the track bed are two completely different colours. I suspect that the materials on the track are not reacting to ambient lighting like the scenery, hence it looks like that.

    re TSC, I’m talking about with the AP Track EP. Snow was not it’s strong point, it looked just like this.
     
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  33. Spikee1975

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    That's not. It seems you have another mod that modifies 103 RVV that loads on top of mine.

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  34. JetWash

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    I definitely don’t. I have the field of view in GodMode set to 100 because I prefer it on 98% of the units, but otherwise your mod is the only one of that type I have installed. I don’t have anything installed for Left-Rhine at all.
     
  35. Spikee1975

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    See above. My mod is not active somehow in your screen, nothing to do with FOV. You're using the default cam.
     
  36. MaxBenchip

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    Guys we need to rant on DTG not the mods ! :)
     
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  37. JetWash

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    I’d have said it’s the same bar the field of view. Anyway it’s a moot point, that snow looks awful! ;)
     
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  38. Spikee1975

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    It's not. In my shot the horizon lines up with the middle of the HLL dial. You're sitting way below it, that's not a FOV thing. Believe me :)

    Changing FOV never changes anything in the relative geometry. Also, the throttle wheel touches the MFD in your shot. I am sitting higher, that's why there's a visible space between wheel and MFD.

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  39. Matin_TSP

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    Then you're doing something wrong.
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  40. addry#6825

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    Non im not. The lights are weaker than dish water. I can see lights on the front of the cab but it’s not illuminating the track. At least on my version. I also have the light beams only illuminating on ai traffic as it passes, literally 100 yards from me.
     
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  41. Matin_TSP

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    But that's not what you said. You said you "don't have headlights". And that's at least on PC as proven by my screenshot not true.
    The opinion that they're too weak, is your impression. Marker lights are there to be seen, not to see.
     
  42. Monder

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    Aaaand... crickets as usual...

    "We do welcome the discussion"
     
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    Speaking of weird snow textures, PFR has its odd looks as well. A pity on an otherwise quite nicely modelled route.

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  44. PseudoStalker

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    I want to express my humble opinion on something that everyone has been loving recently. The sounds. They seem to be recorded from a real prototypes, but they sound as if they were recorded in a remote studio with walls lined with sound insulation. I want to tell DTG: in reality there is much more high frequencies and reverberation. Let it be of worse quality, but let it sound real and not studio-made.
     
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  45. dxltagxmma

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    Nah, a good example is Zusi. Despite it being the best train simulator (even though it's focus is on Germany) some of the sounds especially on older trains are really horrible for today's standards (but understandable as they are made YEAAAAAARS ago). One reason I play TSW is for the sounds (except on some locos *cough* Taurus and 146 *cough* because they are worse than just being low quality, but quality as in recording and playback quality)
     
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  46. dxltagxmma

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    Remember the flooded map bug? That was weird, especially after the devastating floods in the Rheintal.

    Edit: just to clarify, I'm not saying they 100% did it on purpose or with that in mind, I'm just saying the bug felt a bit weird after the whole thing happened in the Rheintal.
     
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  47. Dinosbacsi

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    Same thing on the Boston Sprinter route at various places. While it looks fine most of the times, there are areas where the track is simply different color to the rest of the surroundings.
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  48. chieflongshin

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    Photomode
    Scenario planner update
    Livery now having 1000 layers instead of 300
    Free mode in service mode

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  49. pinxtonpaws

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    Upgrades, upgrades, upgrades....nothing new there.
     
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    Photomode is not a groundbreaking addition, at the end of the day, you only have nicer shots in screenshot competitions. Besides it probably wasn't that difficult to implement, probably also a UE tick box you just need UI for. Upgrades to Scenario Planner and Livery Designer were promised to be released a couple of months after TSW2 (before Christmas even) as a FREE update, they even collected feedback for both right after release. A free upgrade moved behind two extra paywalls. From what I've seen here at the forums, Free Roam is extremely broken anyway, but I guess you can count that. Point for you.

    Does this mess validate a new title? Absolutely not.
     
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