As the screenshot above shows, whoever designed the F7 kindly placed the whistle cord so that when the loco is in motion, it almost entirely obscures the left hand side of the speedometer. This makes it impractical to play Clinchfield (or presumably any of the reskin versions too) with the F7 and the new HUD unless or if the requested actual speed readout is added to the top LH information. Can the loco author be asked to look at moving the whistle cord and handle slightly thus that the speedo is not obscured, or shift the driving position slightly to the right?
Actually, remove that one entirely, since it's superfluous; the CRR F7 only has one horn, so it shouldn't have two horn cords.
This may fall on deaf ears I’m afraid. All such feedback at the time Clinchfield was released, including many other issues, was totally ignored. It is a route that only received a panic patch to alter the state of one loco’s setup in a tutorial and then all other issues have been left as released. When Matt said recently that it was unlikely to get a loco DLC that can also be read as unlikely to have any improvements or bug fixes. This is of course something we had already deduced.
Yeah, sadly Matt's comments pretty much means Clinchfield is abandoned. No patches No fixes No Loco DLCs or TOD4 enhancements
Sadly I think the sentiments about deaf ears will prove correct. However it is something DTG should be aware of when they start tinkering with the interface, bring in a HUD that encourages us to use the in cab instruments rather than the synthetic display but either fail to check or won't update items where the gauges are not visible or obscured. Anyhow thanks Spikee1975 , I'll grab the mod and that should do the trick. Edit: Update, the mod is great, thanks (will need to check out all the other tweaks it includes). However, abandoned content or no you would think this is something DTG could implement easily and painlessly as it doesn't even involve changing the cab model. In fact why not go one step furher and give us the ability to shift the driver POV as you can in Run 8?
They simply abandon CRR in ill state and now Matt is justifying in other thread that this road was actually not popular... Logic of this is painful. (I honestly swear TSW won't get from me, more than 1 star review in Xbox Store, unless they fix freight (US) routes (CRR, LIRR, Cane Creek, HSC, C40-8W...) and fix random cc car livery appearance). Max
Abandoned route with many issues is unpopular, who would have thought? It's almost as people don't enjoy playing unfinished, broken content... On the other hand, we have SEHS that had like 4 locomotive add-ons that are all good and make sense for the route, provide good variety and the route even got extended and scenery improved. Geez, I wonder why it is one of the most popular routes in the franchise?
In both cases, a feedback cycle. What's the business case for spending money to upgrade a rote that nobody is interested in? What is the business case for spending money to upgrade an already popular route?
The new minimal HUD we've seen in preview has the current speed which will help. When I'm not streaming I use TrackIR which means I can put my head anywhere and can look around things like this cord. While they do occasionally happen as someone's passion project old route updates aren't overly common. To fix this seemingly simple thing would require three teams to do it (art, animation and qa) so I can't imagine it would happen. There's a few things that could be better on the route so you never know what the future could bring. Paul
Thing is though Paul, as I appended above the mod achieves that without a major cab remodelling. All that’s required is for DTG to formerly adopt it and apply to the F7 which of course at the moment can only be done for PC players. Those on consoles are stuck with the whistle handle blocking the speedo. I don’t use Track IR.
That doesn’t really help anyone, now does it? A new HUD element does not fix that the proper instrument in the cab is unnecessarily and unrealistically obstructed. If removing the unprototypical second cord is really too much work, why not adopt Spikee1975’s change to the cab camera position? The Vectron got an adjustment to feedback on the camera and that was never talked about as a big thing to change.
I think Clinchfield is the best of the US freight offerings in TSW, it offers some great multi-part services in the timetable, a more interesting choice of era (with potential to do a steam timetable?), has more than just A to B runs, and even though it isn't perfect in some spots, I find the scenery of it better than Sherman Hill and Cajon Pass as I'm not keen on the barren landscapes of those two routes. It genuinely baffles me that Clinchfield didn't sell well
Yes it’s a shame. I’m currently doing the infamous CRR 92 run, hence the report about the F7 speedo, just passed the point where you have to wait about 10 minutes to cross the service coming the other way. For me that is quintessential single track mountain railroading but you can bet your boots some of the impatient youngsters were stomping their feet going wah, wah, at the slight interruption to their progress.
It's depressing to have confirmation of something I suppose we've always known: that, if a route does not sell well because of some major and potentially game-breaking issues, it will just be abandoned. And those of us who bought a route in good faith, believing that any problems would be fixed in timely patches, have also been abandoned. Further, that promises made when issues come to light ( in CRR's case the missing banking coms ) are not worth a hill of beans. DTG can claim that a route didn't sell well because of its era and other factors beyond their control. In the case of Clinchfield, I think ( particularly US ) fans know better. A route of any era made with care and quality that, if necessary, is patched in a timely manner, will have a fighting chance to appeal to lots of potential players. You only have to point to BPO to prove that.
I'm not a big US freight fan, but Clinchfield is at the top of the list for me. I just like the winding through mountains and long tunnels, with branch lines. I remember one scenario I played at release - trying for an hour to get the &*(*% train to move up a 1-ish % incline from a dead stop, in winter. Even trying rolling backwards for a bit onto flatter ground. I am very grateful to Spikee1975 for modifying that annoying cord and add my voice to those asking DTG to formally adopt it so that console users can benefit also. IMO, just seeing Clinchfield in the fix list will bring in the curious for a look-see. That term "abandoned route" has a chilling effect on the psyche, doesn't it? One of those things soaked in unpleasant feelings with zero upside to the consumer. It's Christmas, DTG - add or duplicate the mod changes for everyone, show us that detail matters.
Even if they never touch Glitchfield again, at least fix the banking comm on the F7. It’s an a’Murican classic. Especially now that we can run it all over other routes. Absolutely appalling that there’s no banking comm on that.
Sorry you're jumping to assumptions here. I said there'd be no DLC. I did not say anything about patches or fixes etc. I don't have any promises to make on the latter, but I certainly didn't say that we'd never look at it. Matt.
This may have turned into the Clinchfield revival thread… Certainly enjoying my run. Anyhow as per my OP Matt it would be great if someone could get tasked with moving the F7 viewpoint slightly to eliminate the whistle cord obscuring the speedo.
Well, with all due respect, it has been the best part of 3 years. Are you still looking at TSW2 routes?
Just to add to the Clinchfield love, I think for me the main appeal lies in the fact that, when working the branches, it feels like you're actually working and achieving something. Not to mention that it feels like you're miles from finishing your shift in Dante, and indeed you often are. Only wish they'd made a Rex Turn series of trips, maybe the second Moss Turn too, but hopefully an enterprising individual can make something with the editor. Maybe they could be accomplished in free roam too..?
There I disagree. Clinchfield did not sell because of what it is, not its not-especially-severe issues. It had no "major and potentially game-breaking issues." Clinchfield had a couple of annoying problems, mostly lighting, but was NEVER a broken turd route like LIRR or Trenton (which latter DTG has been trying to fix). No, the problem with Clinchfield is that slow mountain drag freight (plus vintage date) just doesn't appeal to a player base who plainly prefer shiny bullet trains.
I think they're afraid to be honest because it's still being offered for sale . Shame too as it probably has the best freight timetable and services in TSW. My only real complaint was the terrible night lighting.
Hi Its a nice line and I like it very much. It deserved a little more attention. But in truth, they have responded to me and resolved the bugs. I make tickets, it takes time but after a while they respond. Yes, I feel sorry for a good update for the F7, but the same problem when travelling with A-B-B-A, happens on the Cajon Pass. If we make several tickets, they will be resolved in due time. I think they lean towards the English lines, but I believe it is the biggest market share, after is the German one, for DTG ( It's my feeling ). As they say here in Portugal "You have to work to put food on the table". And as a fan of American lines, I just ask Matt for a little more attention to American lines. I really like the new Antelope Valley Line, but I couldn't finish one of the services due to a bug. Ticket and answered. In the next update, I will make a new ticket to remember, because who in life doesn't forget. As for time-tables, yes in this line there are some bugs (but I live well with that), I still think that there should be the possibility for the player himself to make changes and corrections (something simple and effective, I'm not good at programming) and half of the confusion resolved. And a customer who doesn't complain is not a good customer and won't buy. And I complain and if it's American, I buy it. Matt thank for your work,time and attention, patches or fixes it would be nice , as your time is doing by the time ( As same the F7, slow but it get there). Sorry for this long text, but it's my opinion. Now let´s get the F7 get to work, there are trains to pull (lol).
