New Us Route Coming??

It will be a freight route.

Donner Pass or Marias Pass. Marias 50% Donner 40% or something else.... 10%

That's my speculation.

If not, a freight route in the Midwest. Possibly with passenger as well.

I am not sure New York will be looked at until next year or the year after.

 

Marias and Donner both is too long distance for TSW.

If DTG would listen to the noises, they will be choosing between Miami - West Palm Beach and Hudson Line. But 1st one is about Tri-Rail license(which may be difficult) and the 2nd one is about New York and 3rd rail, which already enough for now.

 

While it’s a good suggestion, the DTG mentality is to usually release a route once whatever state it’s in and then never go back and touch it again for anything. So I doubt we’d ever see them release a route that they then go back to and add an extension. Unfortunately.

 

Why suggest routes that have already been done on TSC? Matt has said himself they’re trying to focus on stuff that hasn’t been done before and based on a lot of feedback I’ve seen, people are tired of the heavy, full throttle, slow pull over a mountain pass style route. So I personally hope it’s not one of these routes you suggested.

 

Literally the only US freight I would potentially like to see would be the Southern Transcon, but not sure if DTG would ever pursue it.

And if Santa Fe Era, not sure if DTG has enough locos for a unique roster aside from the SD40-2 and the C40-8W.

 

Lots of popular routes are in tsc

 

Yet 95% of the US routes in TSC are mountain freight routes. With TSWs main thing being the timetable mode, do players really want to run 50% of their trains being a Notch 8 slugfest up the side of a mountain going at 20mph for 2 hours?

 

This is exactly what I was getting at in my previous response. I don’t see why people are so set on the same routes we already have, regardless if they’re in TSC already. Let’s see something different for a change. How many times has Marias Pass and Donner Pass been done over the years in a variety of simulators? Once again, Matt has said they want to focus on stuff that hasn’t been done before.

 

If anything, the 2 3rd party freight routes that could be good candidates are Gtraxs Montana Hi Line and Mileposts Arizona Divide.

Montana hi line has a much higher high speed being set in the Montana plains, there are plenty of grain elevators along the route for local services. 2 yards, 2 Amtrak Stations and a Sawtooth style grade.

Only thing is there isn't much to scenery and it's quite long. However, not much scenery means that they could also theoretically make a longer route.

 

From the release of TSW3 we have had the following US route releases:

California slow freight route
NYT, still incomplete
California slow passenger route

So, going by pattern, I would next expect another lackluster NYC passenger experience, followed up by another slow freight grind in California. Probably New Haven Line if we are to remember that Brandon was supposedly working on something. In that case it will most likely run from Stamford to GCT, and just maybe they will throw in NYP. Surely if you expect any branch lines, or freight, or the line to actually go to New Haven, or more than one new loco, you will be disappointed. After all, this is US content we are talking about. If the signals work that alone would be a revelation, although not to me since I can't see buying any more US DLC until they fix NYT. If ever.

 

Since Cajon Pass, there has been NYT and Antelope.

Both passenger.

So it is going to be a freight route this time.

Marias is looking good for it.

And no it's not too long. It probably has been in development for 18 months. Off and on.

Also, I would like DOnner Pass.

With the new photoreal mountains these would work.


But my preference is the Byron Canadian IC&E line from Chicago. Or something flatter.

Marias has a 20 miles section on the east side in TSC which is 'flat'.

Noises to the other guy... I think the requests are all over the place.

For me I have never liked Florida in train sim. Way too flat and boring. Maybe I just need to try it. That is just me, not hating it or anything. If they do it I am sure it will be nice.

I haven't got NYT (I almost bought it last quick sale) for the simple reason I have so many routes already. ROFL.

Enjoy and hope if anyone picks up some hints they can pass them on here.

 

I was looking through a stack of trains magazine s i have in the June 2021 issue they had a article titled goig coastal in California,,Union Pacifics famed coast line ..this is the line that the Amtrak Pacific Surfliners run on as well as UP freights after reading article and seeing the photos ..Its a very scenic route ocean side running in places a few large trestles beach side etc .If the speculation that Amtrak pacific surfliner route may be US route soon for TSW4 if done well would be a gteat route additon guess too depends on what best segment they choose it 200 plus miles LA to San Francisco ..

 

Looking at the map in the above post article the best segment of line for coastal running is from Oxnard Ventura Santa Barbra to Guadelupe area

 

And what proof do you have to back this up other than speculation? Please share with the class.

 

Traffic on the coast line is dead for UP, the old oil train that runs there is discontinued, aside from a local that runs on it freight is very sparse out there, leaving only the small amount of Pacific Surfliner trains and the 2 times a day Coast Starlight

 

They are actively upgrading the whole line to CTC, doing away with needing to call for a track warrant at Santa Barbara. There is still work to do though. There is still strong interest in a 3rd daily Surfliner train to SLO to run between the Coast Starlight at 9:50am and Train 777 at 3:13pm as well. Somewhere between 12:00-1:00pm. Equipment availability and line upgrades are holding that back but LOOSAN has the funding for it. As far as a TSW route is concerned, I don’t think we’d ever see a route north of Santa Barbara, let alone north of Oxnard. I would love to see the whole route LA-Goleta but I want $1 million, too.

 

You left out getting 50% or less of the timetable

 

Now that I think of it, the next US route has a high probability for being either in the northeast or not far off from Antelope Valley. Since it is common that routes DTG releases use existing loco addon DLC's to layer in with new trains, the next US route may have layers of trains from previous route add ons so it may be a matter of guessing of portions of track where our current logos/EMU's/coaches can run on

 

I hope we can find out what the US route on the December roadmap. If we follow last year release schedule, Rivet release their route in towards the end of January, DTG release the US content in February.

 

Interesting that a lot of speculation focuses on long distance routes, personally I would like to see something where the greater focus is on yard work.

 

I think the main reason, and Matt has said this himself a few times, is because yard work and shunting is the least popular desired activity on TSW, or any train sim for that matter. It can be fun, yes, but the vast majority of players want to run heavy freights on a long run and fast commuter trains with a bunch of stops. The market is for the longer distance routes. I don't think DTG would do super well on a route that focuses on just switching and yard work with no option to really run trains any sort of distance and above yard speed.

 

Yard work and switching can be fun in a multi player crew, or with a remote control to uncouple cars and throw switches, even in the HUD.
When you have to get off the loco, walk the train to uncouple, walk back again, get on the loco to drive a hundred yards, then get off to throw a switch, get on again to drive another hundred yards, get off to throw another switch and uncouple the next car, it gets quite tedious pretty fast.

Remember the first scenarios on Cumberland Valley?

 

I think this is what kills it for a lot of people. Everyone gets tired of doing this real fast. Most people just want to run a train, which is what DTG already knows and focuses on.

 

I wouldn't be that tedious and boring if it can be done from the cab, using the HUD and F1 key overlay, much like in TSC.
And some kind of business model when serving industries on time with undamaged lading can be a gameplay element?

But the game TSW is more and more concentrating on the console players with fast action scenarios.

 

Ah yes, us evil console players always ruining the game, despite me being the person suggesting yard work and playing on PS5, lol.

 

The New Haven Line would HAVE TO include the single-track shuttle branch (I don't remember the name) from Stamfotd to New Haven with M2's as the one in TSC is.

 

You might be the only one ....

Have you already thought about how to switch using a handheld controller and some HUD or overlay panel? Derail Valley has a nifty laser remote to throw switches, and a belly pack to operate your loco when you're on the ground

 

Redbirds AKA R33's or R36's.

 

New Canaan branch

 

So back in October road map we had one US route 4-6 months and one US route and US loco in the 6+ month time frame.
If we are to speculate the US loco was going to be most likely be a layer on the same 6+ month US route as it was done last year, and now that route has moved up to the 0-3 months, does that narrow down the routes somewhat. Freight? Passenger route? That was a big jump from 6+ to 0-3 months. Surprised....... update I guess JD on another thread clarified that it was the 4-6 month route that move to the 0-3 months. So disregard

 

More likely it was the original 4-6 month route which moved to 0-3 months with the 6+ moving to 4-6.

 

JD clarified in another thread that the 4-6 moved to the 0-3 and the 6+ moved to the 4-6.

 

ok thank you for the clarification. I updated my original post

 

Erm, you realize you can throw all the switxhes from the map screen?

 

I think we'll get a better idea of what the next US route is in the roadmap next week. I estimate it's either on Dec 5 or Dec 7

 

Hopefully, cause without codes we are kind of stumped aside from knowledge that Brandon may be involved.

 

I would love to see another metro north dlc where they would add either the Hudson River line or New Haven line and both lines Amtrak also operates on

 

https://train-sim-world.fandom.com/wiki/Southeastern_High_Speed_Extended

 

Southern Pacific?

 

How about CP over the Rockies? That would be beautiful to behold with the new look mountains. Mountain freight needs more skill than chugging across the prairie too, anyone can do that. I want some dynamic brake action.

 

DTG needs to figure about the licensing since CP is now merged with KCS to become CPKC, and if anything has changed or not (Cause I have no clue how that merger effects licensing)

 

That isn't an "extension" in the way the term has always been used (including by DTG, as in "We will never make TSW route extensions.") SEHS 2.0 is a revised and expanded route.

An "Extension," in the classical sense (and as used in the TSC world) is a separate DLC which plugs into an existing, standalone route.

 

I personally would love to see an extension of the metro north Hudson line from GCT to Poughkeepsie with Amtrak service to Albany but I wouldn’t mind having a New Haven line added as well

 

I would prefer a UK route.

 

You guys literally have your own route coming in the same time period.
You just had an excellent route released by Just Trains.

Let us speculate in peace.

 

Then please open your own thread and try not to be so cheeky. We're talking strictly US here.

 

Not to mention his parochial overtones. Some of us enjoy routes whatever territory they are based in...

 

I’d like to see BNS - London Euston.
Reading - Coventry plenty of Passenger ( Cross Country Trains) and a good mixture of different freight companies.
Won’t hold my breath though.

 

Again this is a thread for US/North American route speculation not the UK.

 

Let's see what is announced on Tuesday or Thursday this week for the December roadmap. I am rooting for one of the sections of the northeast corridor, MBTA, or Metro North