Hey guys, This thread can sound strange, but the fact is that I started Train Simulator World 4 a few days ago and I am loving it. But, I also noticed that I already have a copy of Train Simulator Classic in my Steam library. I really don't remember having purchased it, but who knows. it probably is the result of some past Steam sale. Well, is it worth playing since I already own and am playing TSW4? I noticed that this classic version, despite being a bit old, is being updated and have a lot of players.
If you like playing a game with limited control on what you run and where stick with TSW 4. If you want a game with loads of add-ons, repaints and third party stuff the give the game a try.
Sure! Depending on what content you like, you may at times enjoy it even more! I have TSW4 and all addons and split my time between TSC and TSW around 50/50. It all depends on what I'm in the mood for. That being said, my TSC is heavily modded, especially with graphical mods that pretty significantly improve lighting and whatnot. Playing vanilla TSC coming from TSW4 may be a bit of a shock visually.
That's really great to know, guys! Thanks! Do you have some good mods to recommend, including the graphical ones?
Reshade can work wonders in TSC. You also have 3rd party payware rwenhancer. Armstrong powerhouse also has payware mods to enhance the look of the sim such as the sky, clouds and track.
Yes, it’s worth it. I came to TSC after many hours put into TSW2 on my PS5. I play on Steam Deck and have clocked over 200 hours in the past year. I’ve picked up lots of routes cheap in that time thanks to sales, Humble bundle and picking up old TSC core keys. I love the variety of routes and can always find something I feel like playing. I love German/Austrian/Swiss routes so very well served by TSC in this regard. The Japanese and Chinese routes are an added bonus. I don’t play with any mods but will pick up the Armstrong Powerhouse enhancements at some point probably.
Yes its well worth playing but be aware it can get pricey to get exactly what you want, for me I wanted a full WCML with all the nice rolling stock especially an 86 & 87, it was not cheap but imo it was well worth it!
There is a huge abundance of content for TSC - Some routes are in excess of 100mi (160km) in length. Also in terms of mods, reshade is great, along with the Armstrong Powerhouse track and Sky & Weather mod making the game look more real. Here's what my game looks like with the above mentioned mods:
If you want a game with the latest graphics and amazing scenery stick to TSW4. I have both and TSW4 is far better hands down. Have you ever played TSW4 or own it? or just going by what other people say. Please enlighten us on the limited control bit.
Yes it is worth playing, both are Train Simulators but both can offer very different experiences. If you want to get your game looking as close to TSW as possible, I recommend getting ReShade, RW Enhancer, the Armstrong Powerhouse Sky & Weather Enhancement Pack 2.0 and the Armstrong Powerhouse Cloud Enhancement Pack. It is a pretty expensive bunch but when you have them all it totally transforms your immersion in the game if graphics matter a bunch to you, like they do to me. It is worth nothing Reshade is free and very customisable. There are some excellent presets for the game already made, such as by PhÜnKî_Rø0sTā with a realism preset without requiring any other paid graphics enhancements. TSC will offer you a much more varied experience with so much more content available than TSW since the game has been around for over 10 years now and lots of third party developers are out there creating content both on and off Steam. TSC also arguably offers a bit more of a "realistic" experience than TSW's "arcade" feeling but this will massively depend on DLC to DLC. I recommend waiting for sales to buy DLC, as buying them full price is often not worth it and gets very expensive. Happy simming, I hope you enjoy TSC.
Really you cannot compare the 2 in content. One has been around for 13 years or more and the other TSW4 for a few months although some of the content from previous incarnations of TSW4 does work in TSW4. Let's if this conversation in say another 13 years' time and see what the train simulator world is like then. I most probably won't be around but most probably pushing up daisys.
I have both TSC and TSW4. Both very different for me. I suspect the choice depends on your personality type. I see TSC more as a hobbiest application where as TSW is more of an Arcade type game. I now have over 3000 scenarios and 165 routes loaded on my pc for TSC and am enjoying working through them all. TSC also can allow some very large drives (e.g. London to Edinburgh - 400 miles) in one run. If you would like to know more about TSC I have all of my DLC cataloged on my web site: https://sites.google.com/view/trainsimulatorcontent/home Enjoy
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I don't own TSW4 because you are restricted in what you can run. I did have TSW/TSW2 with a number of routes and add-ons but I got fed up of the inaccuracy of the trains and routes. North Trans Pennine has lots of nice Semaphore signal between Manchester and Stalybridge but there are no Signalboxes. The Driver has to Close the Doors on a Slam Door Train by pushing a Button. - It never happened like that in real life so why do it in the game? A default scenario in TSC - say London to Peterborough - will have a HST, 91 or a 365 but I can swap out any of those for anything else. And I don't have to write a new scenario to do that. You have the Peterborough - York in TSW4 but there is NO Class 91 or any other UK Electric loco. Other trains I would see at Doncaster include the Class 56, 60, 68, 70, 88, 90, 156, 180, 321, 220/221. How many of those are in TSW4? There is so much more Locos, Units & Stock in TSC than TSW.
Also, another good thing about TSC is that you don't have to buy a new game every year - can't think for the life of my why DTG need to make TSW a new game. Why can't they just slap a new label on it like they did every year like TSC, and just call it TSW, with no number.
Will say that at least from looks, Just Trains have push TSW to a higher notch with their route, but DTGs and other 3rd party content for TSW lacks to TSCs offerings.
Microsoft has been doing that for years with their flight simulators bringing out a new version every couple of years up tell FSX. Now we have MS FS 2020 and next year they are bringing out MS FS 2024 and if you want it you have to purchase it.
Yes, as I have already mentioned how long has TSW4 been out compared to TSC and all its incarnations speak for itself? Maybe in another 10 or so years, TSW will have all that just give them and 3rd party developers time.
Well, TSW is seven years old now. The editor has only just been released (and is a buggy beta software), while RailSimulator/TSC released the editor with the first patch. I highly doubt TSW will ever reach the amount of content TSC offers, with licensing being a big problem in the future and third parties not being allowed to publish themselves. Also sooner or later, they will have to move over to UE5 which will render all previously made content obsolete. SimRail is using a modern version of the Unity engine which imho already looks better than the old UE4.
As much as I have judged TSC, I am going to say YES! I do advise on getting it, if you don't have the game. Both TSC and TSW4 are very different, just unfortunately both uses annoying blueprints and scripting for creating custom assets, locomotives and rolling stock. Shame, DTG didn't make it 'Simple'..
TSW4 only came out in September. Looks like DTG are matching other game producers. Codemasters who brings out a new Formula 1 game each year that you have to pay for, and Microsoft brings out a new Flight Sim every 4 years that you have to pay for.
DTG cannot beat NV3 Games with Trainz. Trainz has a lot more to choose from while DTG's sticks to the same 'UK, USA and German' routes like a scratched record.
Trainz's last 3 offers (ANE, 19 and 22) cant even beat TSW4's 24hr player count peak COMBINED. If anything, they need to worry more about Simrail than Trainz.
HD Terrain Multiplayer Cheaper Payware Addons, compared to the high ranged prices DTG sells payware routes and rolling stock. Over 5000 freeware addons Ability to merge routes Ability to automatically generate routes using 3rd party software 'TransDEM'. And the list just goes on and on SimRail, is useless! There's NO editor, there's only a few routes that are all in one country. Totally boring if you ask me!!
It is also about strategy. While I own all three franchises (TSW 1 and Trainz 2019) it's unrealistic for me to switch. However for new customers they can be lucrative, I really applaud the variety of countries covered in Trainz. (And I would play it, if it had TSC-like controls. Spikeeeeeeeeee!) Why did I say strategy? DTG sticking to the big markets may work, but there are emerging markets rise, the population of The Great West will prove to be smaller than that of The Great Everywhere Else. Which, by the way, includes Spain and Italy. Hungary might be a bit boring after all (Lake Balaton though, and Kelenföld-Győr would be nice), however plenty of pretty from Romania. As DTG said themselves, everyone has bias towards their home area, and the Sim That Covers Them All may eventually win. Unless DTG has some magic, TSC will buckle down at some point, which is resolvable (multiple engines and asset conversion, see also: World of Warcraft, also also: Troubles of 3rd and 2nd party content during Spring 2023), but until then, a vision must be had. As for TSC vs TSW, especially if one owns both - Play both, unless you have a blocker, that's my vote. You can enjoy massive variety in TSC, but you also need to invest big to get there. Although, Winter Sale is around the corner. Add 3rd party to the mix, and you can create truly realistic looking consists. Mixed power, varying wagons, era-appropriate paints, you name it. But then, look at me - will you actually play all that? I played full 8 years and I'm still on 2012 content, consuming about 6-10 DLC a year (depends on size). TSW has better shaders and some better assets, although some are just converted. Sounds are a mixed bag, whenever I mention good old Reading-Paddington, people nod it's sometimes muted and doesn't feel real. I guess some do. Never mind TSC with many of its old, procedural sounds, some of which are soothing at least (Kuju GE hello, reused most recently with the P40DC), others flat out annoying (SD40-2), but either way, they convey POWER. And there are patches, the most trivial of which would be to transfer from one fine engine to another (UP GP35 to SD40, UP SD70M to SD60M & SD70MAC & SD70ACe, and so).
And yet, its still a rising competitor in the train sim market, and they are just getting started. Trainz is like TSC, its been around for a long time so it has a larger content base, but yet it isn't as popular......
Trainz and MSTS/OpenRails has more content than TSC could ever dream of. As I said earlier DTG's keeps repeating UK, USA and German routes over and over 'like a scratched record'. When will DTG's finally decide that there are OTHER countries out there! TSC, has been around for well over 10 years and there's STILL no official Australian content available! From way back to Rail Simulator through to Railworks and then onto TS20xx and WE'RE waiting.. People lose patience, for big companies like DTG to get their finger out and GIVE us content we've been all wanting ever since 'Rail Simulator' that's OVER 10 long boring years of repeated UK, USA and German routes and rolling stock 'It feels like dragging my hands on shattered broken glass'.
Hi there, I have both TSW4 and TSC. I discovered TSC "lost" in my Steam library in the last days. I am already playing TSW4, and really enjoying it. So, yes, it can get really pricey, I know. Well, Dovetail Games sometimes also seems to be some kind of "DLC selling machine". So the above screenshots are from TSC with reshade mod, doesn't it? Really amazing! I'll try to install at least reshade, trying to obtain a similar result. I just don't understand why is this game being constantly updated, even being a title with more than 10 years. Well, this is a good thing, of course. I just don't understand it. I'll try to install Reshade at first, also because I found Armstrong Powerhouse a bit pricey. Well, I'll see. I also like graphics (a lot), of course. And for this I think TSW4 is fantastic. The game really looks amazing here. I'll try to start TSC in the next few days, because I am very interested on it, as well as to see about something some of you mentioned (more a "simulator" against the "arcade experience" provided by TSW). And, I already have it on Steam, of course (I have already installed it, moreover). I am just thinking in some mods to install first hand, at least to "fix" the graphics. I also saw a lot of content over Steam Workshop. That is really great! Do you guys have some website recommendation regarding mods? I mean, some kind of "place for everything" mod related? Oh, and thank you so much, guys, for all the content, websites and mods mentioned. Much appreciated. Well, now I am really enjoying TSW4. I purchased it in that latest Steam sale, and I have around 14 hours of gameplay. I know this is practically nothing, and I have a LOT to learn and play. But I am really enjoying the experience. I will try to install some mods in TSC this next week, trying to improve its graphics. I am just afraid of that because I am playing all these games on Linux, through Valve's Proton. Everything is running smoothly, very, very well. Well, nothing prevents me to use Windows also, if something goes wrong with the mods. I just would like to stick with Linux, if possible, because this is my main OS. TSW4 in the other hand is providing me great and relaxfull moments. I am in the middle of some stressfull days, so, this is being very good. Also, I found this community to be really amazing, full of people willing to help and very kind. This also means A LOT.
If you didn't yet, can you tell us which DLC you have? Simply because we could give you a short summary on what to start with. A self-discovery version is to open Steam, TSC Properties, DLC page. There you can click every DLC which brings you to its own store page with reviews, some example screenshots (not always correlating well with how it is). Review score can also guide you. And so just pick what feels best, play one, and see whether you get the itch for the next.
And when TSC has more content and routes that I like to run I might look again At the pace they are going at it will be TSW10 or even later than that.
So, I have the following: - LGV Mediterranee: Marseille - Avignon - Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz - Koblenz - Northeast Corridor: Boston - Providence - Southeastern Highspeed: London St Pancras – Ashford Intl & Faversham - Antelope Valley Line: Los Angeles - Lancaster - East Coast Main Line: Peterborough - Doncaster - LNER Class A3 60103 Flying Scotsman Steam - Nahverkehr Dresden - Riesa - Railpool BR 193 Vectron - S-Bahn Vorarlberg: Lindau - Bludenz
Oops, I wasn't specific enough. I meant TSC DLC. The above list is helpful as you probably wouldn't want to play both versions, at least from the get go, unless to compare. In any event, assuming this covers your interests... LGV Mediterranee: Marseille - Avignon I believe this is available in TSC under pretty much the same name. Released for 2017 and extended in length and with trains. I don't recall identical DLC, however in spirit of high speed, you could certainly enjoy Frankfurt-something - with the ICE 1-2-3 being the lure of German trains most of them are for old routes so I'm scared of recommending them (i.e. München-Augsburg, Hamburg-Hannover). Linke Rheinstrecke: Mainz - Koblenz Not sure about this one, however there are two routes, Koblenz-Trier and Köln-Koblenz that connect. Northeast Corridor: Boston - Providence I believe this is unique. There was a workshop project. The newest NEC section is Washington to something, and it supplies most trains available in previous versions. However, might be short. Then there is New York to New Haven, which is slow, and New York to Philadelphia, which is fast but dated (you may find workshop upgrades - it could use some better flora). The actual best to start with should be the North Jersey Coast Line & Morristown combo, giving you two routes and the entire set of locos. Southeastern Highspeed: London St Pancras – Ashford Intl & Faversham This is 1:1 available in TSC. It has recently been merged with Chatham and all, although one section might be missing. I found the old route enjoyable and the new one should be better, given all the praise. Antelope Valley Line: Los Angeles - Lancaster This is unique. The Pacific Surfliner is available between Los Angeles and San Diego, one of the longest routes at around 150 miles. There are also a couple Peninsula Corridor iterations. East Coast Main Line: Peterborough - Doncaster This is available in TSC but with really old assets, I'd skip this, unless you want to run a merge. I'm pretty sure Pookeyhead can confirm or correct me but it should also be available from AP, and regardless make use of some track update. That said, in its spirits I'd look for Southeastern Expressways, there are quite a few iterations but I've read a lot about a full 300 mile version from either AP or JustTrains. On their own site. However, ECML London-Peterborough is fairly nice still, was demanding when released so. But it also exists (partially?) in TSW. That said, I believe the entire London-Edinburgh is available in 4-5 sections. LNER Class A3 60103 Flying Scotsman Steam Definitely available in TSC, was recently in focus, but unless updated, it's probably basic. Good or bad, depends on you. Nahverkehr Dresden - Riesa I recall this for TSC. German content is the least numerous so it's viable to just browse and cherry pick. Railpool BR 193 Vectron There are many ÖBB related DLC for TSC, some including the Vectron. Three Country Corner is old but from the Semmeringbahn onward, you should be pleased. S-Bahn Vorarlberg: Lindau - Bludenz I don't know about this, but there are a few S-Bahn routes.
Get this and you will never regret it. Can make TSC look as good as TSW4, stops the stutters and enhances the UI. https://www.rwcentral.com/store/product/7-rw-enhancer-2/
Never. I have it and sure it makes TSC look better than bog standard but never will it make TSC look as good as TSW4.
The scenery in TSC can be higher quality in some regards. It's so much sharper and more distinct with RE2. The lighting is WAY better as well. I would say some of the newer TSC routes enhanced by RE2 are better than most of the older TSW routes easily. Not really fair to compare the new TSW4 routes, but the snow and those trees are pretty awful.
You're asking the wrong question, going on DTG's current form how long will TSW4 be around for? 12 months? 18 months? 2 years? (lol at the last)
Just look at some of these screenshots from TSW4. You really cannot compare TSC to these. Road Map - Train Sim World Roadmap - November 2023 | Dovetail Games Forums
No one is denying that TSW visually looks better, But with the right Reshade, RWE settings you can make TSC look just as good. You need to calm down on the TSW Defender role you are taking. People are allowed to not like the game. Personally it is far too restricting for me, Not to mention having to pay every year just to get an update. TSW would have been so much better if it had an editor from the get go, allowed for third party content, and had more detailed and longer routes.
Let me just argue by adding two screenshots from the Unofficial competition, this year of 2023, week (round) 29. cscarpenter Pookeyhead And a couple of vanilla ones on my own: And simply lush stuff Heck... My position (and verdict) is that vanilla has many potential moments, depending on the assets used. Compromises were made, just like in TSW, to balance quality and frame rates. Given its roots it can be a bit cartoony. And I find many TSC moods even nicer than tryhard juicy graphics. And this last picture is from a 2012 route using roughly 2010 assets. But if you can afford better processing and a couple shaders, those cartoony vibes can be replaced by realism. Pookeyhead in particular made it a point to prove, successfully.
I'm as calm as a cucumber but I'm just pointing out to people how much better TSW4 is and yes I have both. Tehachapi pass with RW Enhancer 2. Video details - YouTube Studio People need to realise that TSW4 is graphically better I'm not defending it just telling the truth and even if I didn't have TSW4 I would still say it has better graphics.
Well - it depends. In terms of route building quality TSW4 is the worst I've seen so far (and the horrible lighting and overexposure in TSW has put me off), their latest Maintalbahn looks like it was completely built by some sort of AI autogen software and the 642 is a bug-ridden piece of LOVE and can't compete with the RSSLO version. Instantly refunded it. And LGV Mediterranée in TSW looks bland and pale compared to the superior TSC version. I've found SimRail to give me a real railroading experience. Great graphics, superb models, no "DTG style" quality issues. Correctly recreated rail network, no flaws spotted yet. And a growing network instead of short routes. It's nice to see them going a different way. ... so to get back on topic - just try. Any game that's giving you a good time is worth playing
It can be a great screenshot engine in certain conditions but as soon as you watch a YouTube video of someone actually using the game, it falls apart. The way scenery pops in, the muddyness of the graphics, weird shinyness to everything which is invariably too bright. This still persists even in JT's Blackpool release. It just still looks and feels like an arcade game to me, which will be fine for some people, especially those who want a "world" environment (the clue is in the name), but TSC is definitely best suited for those looking for a genuinely immersive driving experience. I've yet to hear any sound set in TSW come close to what can be achieved in TSC either. It's just all loops pitch curved into each other with no genuine rev up or rev down audio.
Fully agree - the sometimes sparse distant scenery, the shiny reflective hills, it all looks a bit cartoonish and - Unreal. In terms of route building and due to ever increasing commercial pressure, TSC is miles ahead in detail. Konstanz-Villingen, Boston-Albany, Köblitz, Taurus Mountains, Münster-Bremen are of quality, asset variety and length you'll not find in TSW. Unreal Engine can't fool my eyes That ugly tree popping also appeared on a TSC route, the fantastic Taurus Mountains (with one of the best Diesels ever made for TSC). A patch quickly resolved this fortunately.
triznya.andras , Sorry for that, my bad. I discovered I have a few routes and locos for TSC. Moreover, I just started a little session with it, and I enjoyed! I was even able to drive an electric train based on what I learned with TSW4. And, thank you so much for the DLC selection you've provided me. I just don't found "Marseille - Avignon", "Boston - Providence", etc. Well, I ended not finding many of them, unfortunately. Maybe these are part of other DLCs, I don't know. On, and those screenshots you posted are from your modded TSC? Really fantastic! I can't wait now to also mod mine, in order to try to achieve such results. Really amazing! locobilly Many thanks. I will check it out! Spikee1975 Are those screenshots you posted from SimRail? Sorry for asking this, is that I don't know this game yet. And, you're right: TSW4 is providing great moments currently. --- Well, overall, guys, I am really enjoying this experience with train simulators. I always was a real fan of simulator games, and "lost" a lot of time with titles like Euro Truck Simulator 2, Bus Simulators, etc. Well, as I said, I started a few minutes ago a little session of TSC, and loved it, even being a vanilla one for now. But I will try to mod it, using your suggestions and starting with Reshade, of couse. I will just try to pick all the valuable information from this thread and put it in a note inside Obsidian, for future reference. I noticed a great sound, also, in TSC. I really loved the train sound. I don't remember now the route and train I used (it was an electric one), but it was just a quick section (also forgot the name of the game mode). Ah, and I am really very well impressed by how great both games are running on Linux!
