Cargo Line Volume 1 - Questionable New Pack From Skyhook

https://skyhookgames.com/coming-soon-tsw-4-cargo-line-vol-1-petroleum/

Interestingly this isn't on the DTG website yet and therefore there is no dedicated thread yet. It's a reskin of a wagon that came out four or more years ago in five new liveries (colours, literally nothing special) with some new scenarios and services. And shockingly, that Volume 1 moniker means they're going to be pulling this stunt again. I haven't seen a price yet, but I expect it'll be the normal £10 for these packs, which is about £9 more than it's actually worth. I won't be buying this LOVE, and I don't think you should either.

 

Wagon liveries are pointless unless and until DTG sort out the non-functionality of substitutions.

 

It says the TEA have minor changes in variety, not just the paint.

I personally like such packs, good for people want to enhance timetables, for the players which think its too expensive, can get it on sale. And for players think its totally pointless just dont buy it.

Win win win.

I always wondered why those kind of pack never have been created. Livery designer is good, but its a mess since everything spawns in a mix. I really dont want a vtg resinned 100ton tanker on ntp.

Good choice this pack, please more of them. Also new freight wagons and coaches are welcome.

 

Thats a topic for it self, but i agree current situation indicates a major problem on that front.

Mods dont work anymore, substitution broken..., silence from dtg.
Same pattern over and over, during the promotions and marketing streams etc before release, they responde, after release...., silence.

Both substitution and mod problems are gamebraking for me.

 

I don't mind this idea, as it's essentially a freight layer for multiple routes, though I wouldn't want to pay anymore than a fiver for such a product especially when it's just one wagon. Had they been able to include a different livery and subclass for the Class 66, then maybe I would be prepared to pay slightly more.

IMHO this is kind of just payware to fill in the missing freight services on MML that could have been layered in for free to begin with.

 

Also when looking close they are definetly new modeled wagons. Rather check twice than acusing them to resell repainted 4 year old wagons.

The Ntp Tea use the Y25 bogies, while the new type in this pack is equipped with the Axiom Rail LN25 bogie. (Same / similar as the JNA)



But thanks for the link, didnt know there was anything announced.

 

I feel like I'm going to wait for a bumper pack of all of these addons to make it worth the money. Also, could we get a different livery for the 66? Even within the companies DTG has licences for, there's gotta be room for something other than the 5th version in EWS red and gold. There is a slightly different version of the DB red livery, with a larger logo - I'd like to see that more, or perhaps one of the various one-offs.

 

There's also an ex-EWS livery with DB stickers on the cab sides, which should be fairly straightforward to reproduce. Would still be a new livery variation for TSW even if still technically EWS/DB branded.

DB Schenker livery with the larger logo:

 

I'm glad to see more of these packs appearing as it offers a more cost effective way of adding variety to routes (far from the 'buy a whole new route for one new loco layer' situation I often face at the moment), but with that being said, I think the base variety really needs to catch up to these packs. Yes having new wagons and liveries are great, but with still only (effectively) one modern UK diesel mainline freight loco available, how much variety can we really be adding with these packs?

I really want these to catch on and succeed - but I think a fair bit still needs doing before they can really come into their own.

 

I’ve made my thoughts on this clear elsewhere, but while I agree with the above that packs like this can indeed enhance the timetable & thus provide gameplay value there, this particular pack is just adding both a loco & wagon we already have, with only a handful of timetable services (I think it’s single digits?), the majority of those being at night or very early morning.

I am really struggling to see the value with this one.

 

I don't mind these packs if they are well done and improves route quality.

Skyhook did a decent job with the ES44 NS heritage units, just wish the route and loco got upgrades.

The UP Heritage pack is how not to do it.

 

They are very much missing from GWE so I'm glad they are adding them to that. A train of full tankers in wet conditions is tough - just try the loaded tanker service on SEHS in the snow.

I wouldn't want to see this pack over £5 but with Rivet doing less for a higher price I assume it will be the full £10.

 

I think it looks like a good addition. I am always happy to see more layers added to routes, especially if it's old routes like GWE getting some love.

Sure, it's nothing big, but does everything have to be big? If the price is right, then this is a very nice little pack.

 

I am waiting for the price before passing judgement on this as that could sway it from being a good idea, which I'd like to see more of, to a total rip off, which I don't want to see again. I hope it is the former.

 

Unfortunately, it seems the DLC wagons will only appear in the DLC consists.

 

I like the wagons, but am utterly gobsmacked that we have yet another version of the same colour class 66. At the very least a GBRf or something else to increase variety. SHG could have worked with DTG to combine the wagons with a class 56, 60, or 70, for example, to make the pack more appealing. Instead of churning out an uninteresting banal short German route, how about a couple of new loco packs (not reskins) to flesh out what we already have? Imagine a 222 set or a 68, or even some heritage stuff like a class 25. WCL is crying out for some classic diesel hydraulics!

 

The problem, as always, is licensing.

 

£10 customer price would pretty steep for wagons and I would have to wait for sale. I mean in that scenario are we really saying it’s equivalent to about £3 less than a whole new loco ?

I know no price is available yet, just taking about possibilities.

I have no problem with this style of pack though, it’s always worth seeing what’s on offer with every dlc.

 

The kicker here is that it only comes with 16 services, let alone the fact that it's a reskin of a wagon we have had for years already.
I don't actually care if it's been completely remade- to me it's the same, I already own a TEA wagon and if I really wanted it in a different colour I can do that myself in the tool Skyhook so proudly advertised.

And it's only volume one...

Pisstake.

 

The hybrid livery would be an excellent option

 

I am fully behind these. It's an opportunity for devs to put in things that accountants probably costed out before. People will always say "should have been in to start with "...

That's always subjective to us. Pleased to see a more padded out route and more variety on line.

Prepare yourself now if volume 1 triggered you in case there is more.

 

Then it would be a loco dlc, not loco pack. A full loco dlc would require much more work. A small project to make a bit of money and add new gameplay.

 

Would like to see this sort of pack more often tbh. When it comes to wagons, the more the merrier.

 

Yeah as i said in another thread- bring them on!


I really don't get the, "i won't pay for a wagon pack" crowd. Like those artists and modellers don't deserve to get paid?

I'd really love to see US tanker, grain hopper, and/or boxcar packs. Leasing companies, fallen flags, weathered variants, etc.

People want immersion and variety, well here we go- maybe these projects are more commercially viable for 3rd parties than DTG- i think we should encourage them! Also, Rivet is releasing 2 new Class 66 liveries with their E-G pack, right? That will add a little more variety too.


Now,TOD4 for GWE would be a major pot sweetener, and there's precedent as SH got it with the UP heritage pack. Any chance?

 

I’m sure the full worth of such a pack will come when we see if its content appears elsewhere such as in future releases. On its own it won’t be groundbreaking and the price point may be a big deciding factor for those sitting on the fence (as ever) but you never know how many times it could add little touches to future suitable routes when it becomes an option for layers as they are built. Alas, it does come with another Class 66 to add to the list of near identical Class 66 models we have. Dostoesque levels of duplication.

 

However, if DTG would simply fix its issues, all the wagons we can imagine would be coming out - free - on CC. Because modders and livery hobbyists might "deserve" to get paid, but we don't.

 

If a modder could make something like this for free, then I don't see the issue if it was free. It's the company's responsibility to pay their employees. Not us.

I really don't see any value in these packs. They don't offer much in terms of gameplay. This pack doesn't have many services and will be hauled with a loco we already have. It just feels like a lazy and cheap way to make a quick buck

 

I don't have a problem with paying for packs like this per se. I just think £10 is too much.

 

no confirmed pricing but I’m betting it’s similar to the ones DTG do for £5 each.

 

not really:
Great Western Express
05:15 6O03 Colnbrook Logistics – Grain Oil Terminal (Petroleum)
10:50 6V17 Grain Oil Terminal – Colnbrook Logistics (Petroleum)
11:30 6V19 Grain Oil Terminal – Colnbrook Logistics (Petroleum)
13:00 6O19 Colnbrook Logistics – Grain Oil Terminal (Petroleum)
17:15 6V45 Grain Oil Terminal – Colnbrook Logistics (Petroleum)
18:00 6O41 Colnbrook Logistics – Grain Oil Terminal (Petroleum)
22:24 6V73 Grain Oil Terminal – Colnbrook Logistics (Petroleum)
23:15 6O75 Colnbrook Logistics – Grain Oil Terminal (Petroleum)

Midland Main Line
01:05 6E68 Kingsbury Oil Sidings – Humber Oil Refinery (Petroleum)
04:45 6M35 Humber Oil Refinery – Kingsbury Oil Sidings (Petroleum)
06:12 6E46 Kingsbury Oil Sidings – Lindsey Oil Refinery (Petroleum)
09:20 6M57 Lindsey Oil Refinery – Kingsbury Oil Sidings (Petroleum)
12:55 6E54 Kingsbury Oil Sidings – Humber Oil Refinery (Petroleum)
17:03 6M00 Humber Oil Refinery – Kingsbury Oil Sidings (Petroleum)
19:54 6E59 Kingsbury Oil Sidings – Lindsey Oil Refinery (Petroleum)
20:05 6M24 Lindsey Oil Refinery – Kingsbury Oil Sidings (Petroleum)

 

If it will be 6 euros like the ROG 37/7, I think that's a fair price.

 

The problem with this type of pack is that, from the pure driving experience add very little if you stay in the cab. Same old Class 66 cab, you’re not even going to see your shiny new wagons. Or maybe for a few seconds in the event another consist passes you.

I mean over the years I bought a fair few of Run 8’s $10 car packs but each one is packed with content and as much of the gameplay in R8 focuses on switching out or humping cars in local traffic and manifests so you need the actual vehicles rather than generic assets.

Firmly of the view this should have been a loco and car pack as I sit with those who are utterly fed up with the “ying, ying” of the Class 66 and want something a bit different. Can’t see me grabbing these unless they are £5 thus £2.50 on sale, or end up in a completion bundle.

 

Forgive me for really struggling with this logic. Who pays the company that pays the employee? Whilst we're not responsible we're part of that process right.

How truly bizarre , that really had me head scratching then trying to understand the phantom cashflow DTG would use.

 

I'll buy it. The game needs more wagons, loco packs to flesh out the UK routes.

 

Great, they modelled a new bogie. Do you genuinely believe that makes it worth £10?

Assuming you're telling the truth and it is modelled from scratch, for £10 it had better be the best wagon ever made for TSW. Then again I'm not sure why Skyhook would bother remodelling the same wagon that we already have, the model we already had was good enough. There are still features from past wagons that haven't made a comeback like the semi-automatic tail lamps from the Class 20 pack, and for £3 I can buy a wagon pack for TS with as much or more variety and often more features as well. At best this pack is a scenario pack with a wagon included. £10 is roughly what I'd pay for lunch in Wetherspoon, and every time one of these packs is announced that price seems more appealing.

 

This pack make sense of current state of CC and freight cars substitutions and liveries issues. They expect gratification for little modified cars and new liveries, at the same time blocking cars substitution and random car livery. Coincidence? Tricky DTG There are tons of great immersion pumping liveries on CC left in dust because of long term negligence, like this: https://creatorsclub.dovetailgames.com/creations/119935
Max

 

I disagree in that regard that CC liveries don't add new services or scenarios. Sure, I could get a route that includes there tankers now and I could be making liveries for them, but that still wouldn't add them to Midland Mainline or Great Western Express. So even if CC and substituion would be working as intended, this pack would still add something new.

But regardless, I agree, could we finally get livery substitution fixed? Times and times again Matt says "it is just a matter of a checkbox" but it is never being turned on...

 

Damned if they do Damned if they don't. SHG announce a gameplay pack and people immediately start whining. If one doesn't think the pack is a fair deal or worth their while, then fine just ignore it and leave it to others who actually will enjoy it to buy it.
But consider this, after the debacle of the MML problems and the work that has obviously been put into addressing those problems, development of future projects must have been put back considerably and meantime skyhook still have to generate income from somewhere. Personally I don't mind the price of one lunch to help out SHG cash flow. Especially when they are adding some much needed freight options into TSW which is sorely needed.

 

Well if they had got the route right in the first place... Should not be up to the customer to subsidise fixing what should not be broken. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome!

 

No Vern, not Stockholm Syndrome. at all It wasn't the programmers who pushed it out the door before it was ready and it wasn't the programmers who promised us the moon with the patch which didn't help much but it sure as hell would be the programmers heading to the dole queue if SHG went bust. No Stockholm Syndrome, Simply a desire for more freight content combined with a little empathy.

 

I probably would of considered it if it came with a new freight loco but as usual its the constant use of the 66 which I find boring now hopefully we get something new in the future

 

Was just responding to what had been posted earlier Matt, where it was suggested buying the pack would support those behind the ongoing work at the studio. As with all content I buy on its merits, price and whether it is of interest. If it had come with a Class 56 or Class 60 rather than just reusing the 66, I would be off on the bike to Sainsbury's to buy a Steam gift voucher!

 

Do you have an estimation when that update will be released ?

 

skyhook drop the ball we want the class 222 plan and simple

 

Other alternatives to the endless EWS 66 usage, using models and licenses that DTG already have:

EWS 37
DB 37
DRS 37
DRS 20
DRS 20
London Transport 20
EWS 08
EMT 08
DRS 08
DB 08
DB (not Schenker) 66
DB/EWS hybrid 66
EWS silver 66
EWS Royal Scotsman 66
EWS Royal Scotsman 37
EWS 31
DRS 33
EWS 33
EWS 47
DRS 47
Not to mention heritage liveries that wouldn't look unrealistic in the modern scene.

With just a few of these, the options for modern freight services become much greater, and the routes would look much richer.

 

Before 12-12! Than will release the Skyhook pack.... Its useless if the Update will release afterwards.

 

Apparently, it is not.

This may come as a surprise to you, but most won`t care what you think.
Its not my cup of tea, but I can decide that for myself.

 

Who's "we"?

I'm sure there's people who would prefer a freight pack to a 222. You don't speak for everyone.