Upcoming Release Centro Regional Railways Class 323 - Coming Soon!

Sorry folks, not for me, I personally don’t want another boring 323 especially just a reskin I can get on creators club, yes quality and all but still, but good luck to the devs hope it goes well for them

 

Hoping this comes with a fix for the traction motor hum that was lost when the NT 323 came out and then was lost when the WMR 323 came to TSW 4. Alex acknowledged this problem and said he would look into it in a thread talking about this issue.

 

Correction the release date is the 14th December.

 

The General price of £4.99 doesn’t seem anything too bad, that’s seems a positive from me on that.

I don’t yet own Birmingham, I would probably
consider getting this pack if I did though, it’s a route I’ve been keeping an eye on though for future purchases.

Anyone know if this route has PIS issues still, I’ve noticed that get picked up on a lot, with not owning the route I’m not sure if that got resolved.

 

It says in the blurb for this pack that they are also fixing the PIS issues for the route (TSW4 only).

 

Even if it just a simple livery, I think it is good that the route is finally getting at least some variety, considering the original route released with only one rolling stock, right? Always happy to see previous routes getting more content in any form.

 

Not sure I like the current trend of bland DLC’s adding to the already numerous clones of trains we have.

I get this new dev wants to start small, but I’d wish they’d done something with the other 80% of rolling stock that never sees reuse.

I’ll hang tight and see what the scenarios are before writing this pack off, but we’ve had the 323 a couple of times already in the past year, on very similar gameplay experiences.

CCL is nice, but it needs something that’s actually different added to it.

 

One Reskin
5 Scenarios

no additional timetabled services? (genuine question, not complaining)

 

For five quid? The price of a pint some places? Not a bad deal at all.

Timetable: the problem with adding timetable services is that you can only do it by rebuilding all of it, and then testiung all of it (which takes eons). Moreover, IIRC the extant BCC route already represents the RL timetable; any more services (at least with the 323) would be fictional.

 

Good luck to SimTrack Studios. £4.99 seems a reasonable price for the pack.

However:

1) The article is not clear whether the updates / improvements come as part of the Centro pack, or will be applied to ALL BCC owners, irrespective of whether the Centro pack is purchased or not.

2) The BCC section of the Dovetail Live article states that "Train Sim World 4 players can also utilise Free Roam and Photo Mode in the route, along with Volumetric Fog". This is an oversimplification, as volumetric Fog has not been implemented on most Gen 8 consoles.

 

For something I could get as a mod or from the creators club, this is an easy pass. It also doesn't look like the route will be backdated which means this livery would just ruin the immersion since it wouldn't be realistic for the period the route is set in.

 

I'd have loved to add more services, but the route already features a full timetable. Nothing left to add unless it's fictional...

Fixes have been applied to the WMR and RR Class 323. There is no requirement to buy the RR pack to receive the WMR changes.

This pack features the Centro Class 323 (number 323221), which is a modern repaint of the classic livery. It is totally prototypical to see it in the era the route is set.

 

This pack is based of the one 323 that was re-liveried last year, it’ll still be realistic.

 

It doesn't seem like this dlc adds much, but I always like to support a new developer so they can continue building other things. We'll see what they are capable of in the future, for now this is their first project and for the price it has I will definitely buy it.

 

I actually quite like this - I remember the Centro livery very well, so will bring back a bit of Nostalgia. The price doesn't seem so bad for a re-skin and 5 scenarios. But I shall wait and see what the price is on Steam where I live before committing to a purchase.

I wish any new developer good luck - I hope it does well.

 

You'd be lucky to get a thimbleful of ale for that price in London

 

I'm in to support a new dev.

That being said, BCC could REALLY use a loco DLC at some point.

 

Unless this can be driven in timetable mode I don’t see the attraction. The article does not state that it is available in timetable but also does not say that it isn’t. Clarification will be required.

EDIT - It is available in timetable (as clarified in a post below) and will substitute with a low rate.

 

I dont blame them for doing something small to start off with. But I think a majority are eagerly awaiting for their next pack for what I assume is PFR

Hopefully this release is smooth for them and gives a good foundation to work on the next one!

 

I already downloaded a centro livery from the CC ages ago, it looks fine. Really don't think that livery packs should be a thing, certainly not single livery packs. Yes it has 5 scenarios but I could also download some of these from CC.

 

I find scenarios in general to be very hit and miss with a definite trend towards miss and therefore they are not a huge selling point for me. They could be great but they could also be terrible. So far, for the three TSW4 original bundle routes I have done a total of one scenario (and that failed for some bug or other). I’ll get round to them eventually, once the timetables have been thoroughly played to death. I haven’t done any of the scenarios that came with the Birmingham route this DLC is for either, just a dozen or so timetable services.

 

Does this include any suspension improvements from the TTC Class 323, and if not, are there any intentions to update it with the suspension improvements sometime in the future?

 

Timetable mode is a key feature in TSW, and this DLC is no exception. It subsitutes into the existing timetable (and has a subsitution rate that is set fairly low to avoid the unit being duplicated). The percentage may be changed in the future based on feedback.

No, it doesn't include the suspension improvements, but it does include the updated rain effects on the windscreen. We are intending to introduce the suspension improvements in the future, but it definitely won't be with release.

 

Ah my mistake then. I wouldn't get it though still.

 

I guess it’ll be nice to get some very occasional variety on BCC. But what the route really needs is a way to liven up New Street.

I suppose that can’t happen until we get another route that can have some services layered onto it… and even then idk what the likelihood is of retrofitting the route with services from a new route.

 

Could you clarify in terms of the PIS fixes is this for both ai trains and the issues with Litchfield City not showing as a destination/showing not in service when starting from LC on user controlled services?

 

If anytime I'll own BCC, I'll get this on top. There's been more work done than on the Railbow ICE3, and 6€ isn't hat much.

 

Thanks, forgot the 323 also runs on Glossop as well as BCC.

 

£5 is a more reasonable price than recent quotes/speculation for similar packs. Will probably hold off for now because I need to save, but not averse to it.

 

It is so cheap because no new wagon is in it

 

£5 and under is fine for that kind of thing, over £5 aims more at £10 which doesn’t seem proportional to what’s quite close to a full new loco price.

 

But still think about it u pay 5 for an Repaint that took 1h to make.

 

I would assume it took longer, it’s not just a livery as-well what this pack offers.

part of that price is VAT as-well which i don’t judge on developers for, it’s just a judgement whether I would pay that extra VAT.

edit: Their still is a chance I’d probably find a different dlc I don’t yet own what could offer better value for money over another. Either I’d pay the odd quid if I’m up for the content it offers at that point or by the time it comes to that again it may have entered a little sale going even further down to probably around £3.

 

I know this might be a reskin in most aspects but I am happy to support newcomers into the TSW world. I know this is a long shot asking, but could we use AI layers of the BR era like the Class 47, Class 150, Class 20 etc to add into the 1990's timetable? Might be worth a shot? I like to help if I can. I know the VP185 HST could be used too, should an Intercity Swallow livery be included.

 

There isn’t a 90’s timetable, this is a modern version of the 90’s livery that will be applied to the current era of the route.

 

Thanks for letting me know. In that case, I will get the TEA tanker pack instead for now.

 

Significantly, significantly longer

 

When this were revealed I said I would buy it to support Simtrack, as I am looking forward to what they are doing next, and being a man of my word I have got a fiver waiting! I do hope this acts as a good foundation so that within the next few months I can strike off another wish from my signature!

I assume st would be SimTrack and if so you are their 'representative' on here. If not you have read a completely different article to me!

 

Your assumption would be correct!

 

Think you're gonna have to get yourself a nice, striking profile picture to stand out from the crowd

 

And five scenarios.

 

I don't get the point of these payware reskins. I feel like it would be better to make a brand new train rather than making a reskin that could be made in the creators club or downloaded as a mod. The scenarios in these packs generally aren't interesting and I usually just play a scenario once and never touch it again.

Sure it may be cheap, but I don't see any value in this. DTG released a free livery for the ACS 64 and TSG released a modern version of the DB BR 628 for free. I can't see why this needs to be payware

 

Might sound better to us to have a new train but it’s also a new third party that’s just trying to get their feet wet in TSW for the first time. Makes sense to do something simple and generate a little revenue to support a bigger future project. It’s not going to hurt us.

 

some have been free, others won’t be, trains have come with multiple liveries or just one.

If these packs didn’t sell, they probably wouldn’t sell them, if it’s not your kinda idea of value then all is well as your not compelled to buy, or perhaps see if sales arise .

Personally I think smaller pack ideas are floating a lot out there, I could think of several ideas for some myself (BR for Peak Forrest/SOS for example, I get that one should be base game but seen as it’s not, best to find a way forwards) and I’d much rather see 3rd parties or DTG for that matter, produce stuff they can handle and not delve into areas what they will struggle with and customers get a massively bugged or plagued release with fixes not on the horizon.

I don’t think every 3rd party what can join will develop routes and I don’t think every 3rd party what can join will develop locos.

 

I honestly don't care if it is a new studio or developer. This ain't a charity. As a customer, it's not my job to care or make excuses for companies that ask for money. You may see value in this, and more power to you. Charging money for reskins in my view that I can get on the creators club or modded in is simply uncessary. It's not as if anyone asked for this anyways

 

Rivet and TSG’s first TSW products were brand new locomotives while Skyhook and Just Trains’ first add-ons were full-on routes (with JT’s route including a brand new train). I just feel like it’s somewhat silly for a new third party to start with something so small, like TSW3 Loco Bundle small.

 

Well, you said you didn’t get the point and I broke it down for you. New vendor taking on a small project to gain potentially useful experience that they can draw back on in their bigger projects. And generating the smallest bit of revenue in the process. Not an excuse, I’m just telling you what the situation looks like to me.

People here get so jumpy if anyone makes a statement that doesn’t have a flamethrower aimed at the products being sold. Like relax, I’m not defending or making excuses or asking you to spend money, we’re just breaking things down

 

I didn't say that you was making excuses. It was more of my general point of view on the whole situation. I literally said it's not my job to care or make excuses for a company. At no point did I intend to offend you or say that you was making excuses. I even said that if you see value in this, then more power to you.

I'm not sure why you assumed that

 

Lol, Rivet and Skyhook. Two shining examples of absolute quality. MML might finally be good when that update comes out. Maybe the 187 too. Hopefully before half life 3 drops.

JT did a nice job but it took them ages. Same with whoever did Niddertalbahn. Not like these guys pump out a lot of content.

ST’s next project could be a ways off. If it is indeed PFR, well, steam timetables are a tricky beast for a few reasons. So if they’re adding (hopefully BR green) services to PFR, they’ll have their hands full for a while.

With that in mind there’s probably a business reason for them to want to release something in the meantime. It’s probably not going to generate a lot of revenue but maybe there were incentives to get a DLC done before EOY ‘23. Maybe they just wanted to get their name out there and didn’t realize what a tough crowd this is. Idk, just throwing some theories around.

Now if this were DTG maybe I’d be annoyed because I’d prefer time spent on bigger things. But small third parties don’t handle bugs, core issues, huge routes (for the most part) so I don’t really have an issue with the thirds mucking about with these small projects.