All I Want For Christmas Is Bug Fixes

Or it simply spawns under the car like on the 3 bay hopper car on SPG.

 

There you have it! The same mentality that DTG has.
Things need to pay off to be worth their time. Even when it´s about issues or bugs.
Shocking? No. We knew it, it´s only that someone decided to make it official.

Since when reputation and quality have died as values and assets for a company/product and only money matters as an indicator of the quality of a product?

Maik, if your car/phone/laptop would receive an update that breaks one of the modules, would you accept the answer that you provided here? Is this satisfactory? Will you continue to trust that manufacturer and continue to appreciate and buy their products?

 

I'm not that emotional about products at all. If i buy something i buy it why i need it or want it. I always inform me way in front of the purchase of something. When bought its always the same. If it is good, good, if it is bad, it depends on what it is. Most things just lay around then, unused, replaced by other, mostly not really better things. That's how that works today with mostly all things you can buy. If i put the same effort into products i did in earlier stages of my business, i would be already bankrupt and absent from the market. I still try to do things with the needed effort, but only to a maximum extent below a specific barrier where it comes useless to spent any time. I have to live from it. It's simple and easy to understand. I can't risk it by putting in more time than i can afford (but i'm still doing it in some sort, but it could be worse).

PS: Actual good example that as a customer you are just a number is the fact that my internet and phone business connection (around 100€ per month) does not work since nearly a week anymore and no one cares at the carriers company. I just have to wait until they decide to fix it, i f they ever get it fixed. I can cancel the contract if i don't like it. And it is everywhere the same. A customer is just a number, or even less. I think i can say, that i do care more about my customers, but i don't call them friends as some might wish). It's a business, not a friendship. And those shitstorms about nothing that are coming up more and more here on the forums let me thought about what i should do to protect me and my business from it. You will get the idea at some point, what i decided to do.

 

I would respectfully disagree. If your service carrier is not doing their job properly, then you should change carrier. If you are fine with paying 100€ a month for a not working service, then I would say you are part of the problem, because clearly they can freely do that to you and you will still pay them.

The capitalist market is about sellers and buyers. The basic idea is that both sides want the best deal for themselves, so they will fight for it until they meet an acceptable middle point. If you are willing to give up your idea of a good deal, simply because "it's all the same everywhere", then you have lost as a customer and deserve to be overcharged, scammed and robbed of your money.

I do understand that in this place you are basically a seller, making content for TSW, so I do understand your "I need to make a living" argument. But on the other side are us, wanting good, working products from you, DTG, Rivet, etc in exchange of our money. I do hope you also understand the buyers side.

I do know you are just one person and work takes a lot of time, which I think is understandable. But this is why DTG should be present to help you, not just the other way around. For starters, DTG should take more care to not break previously working products. Then more care to make sure their products also work properly to begin with. If they would have already taken enough care in the past, we wouldn't have this conversation as there would be no issues with the product to complain about.

And as for the "business needs to stay afloat" argument, personally I would be willing to pay a higher price if the quality would be good. But the way things are nowdays, content barely worths it even at 50% off. I can't imagine DTG making good money when a good portion of the playerbase keeps waiting for 50% sales to buy stuff. Wouldn't it be more beneficial to put in slightly more effort for development and quality control, then the products would be appealing even at full price?

 

Ah come on. Please don't tell me how my business works and how it has to work. I'm doing that long enough to know it better, at least for me. And how can i change the carrier when there is no other option. This is Germany. You can be happy if you can have any reliable connection that offers the speed and stability to do the things you need to do, especially for work.

 

I´m sorry to hear about the issue you are going true with the ISP. I truly hope you will have service as soon as possible and they don´t have the audacity to tell you to buy a newer service if you want it to work. Some developers do this...


When the bank that I used some time ago made several mistakes including when trying to fix the initial issue, I immediately complained to police, regulators and the national bank and of course changed the bank. This is how they get the message.

Recently, I parked my car on the street and found it with scratches on the front bumper. The car in front was responsible and funny enough he still had traces of paint from my car on it. The damage is superficial but I called the insurance company and the police to complain and have the damage, as small as it is, repaired. You know why? To teach the ignorant driver a lesson and make him aware next time to pay attention. If he wants to trash his car that´s fine, but it becomes a problem when he does the same with other people´s cars. It´s called prevention, education and yes it took me time in each case to write reports, gather evidence, contact authorities and of course time but in the end this is the right thing to do.

You are right about this attitude being everywhere nowadays, but as consumer should we just take it? No way you want to accept this and consider it normal but it seems that the decision was made. If others do it, I can do it to. The herd mentality. It costs effort to stand out, better go with the flow and call it optimization.

You came with a few proposals to the issue that people pointed out in this thread. In the end you decided to go with neither. But then when issues like it are pointed out they fall under ¨shitstorm¨ for you?
No comment...

 

That's surprising. I knew that in the US they have basically just one big carrier, but I would have expected it to be different in EU countries. I live in Hungary and we have at least a few options to choose from for mobile carriers, and even more options for internet providers.

Anyway, I am not telling you how to run your business. I just merely pointed out the fact that a sale requires two parties - one to sell and one to buy. Because quite often people here keep bringing up the argument that "a business needs to keep afloat" like somehow we are required to buy everything to keep DTG afloat. But, no...? At least not for me. If the product is good enough, I am happy to buy it. But if it is below my standards, then I will not buy it just to keep a random company afloat.

In the end, I just want to see good products that I am happy to buy. That way I get to enjoy the hobby to the fullest, while the developer also gets paid. Of course, it is not that simple in reality, I know that - but you get my point, I hope.

 

A bug that really annoys me is on the 66 - oddly enough (unless I missed it on here) I've never actually heard anyone talk about it!
The issue is that very often, the mounted tail light will appear on the front of the train/lead loco, and the headlights will be set to night (regardless of the in-game time) on the rear loco.
I've noticed this only happens on RHTT services; but it is fixable, I know it is because it used to happen on SEHS, however no longer does (aside from one service..) after a bug fix a little while back. It's not necessarily game breaking however it really, really ruins the realism of the game in my opinion. I can't imagine it's a hard fix either, I'm not a game developer though, so I could be wrong. Something I will say, It's really bad on ECML, every RHTT working has that issue.. every single one.

 

The ISP problem was just a example. Of course, because i'm a smart guy ^^, i have a second distinct even more expensive ISP. So i can switch between them when one is not working, what is really needed more often than in thought. But that's it. You can read it everywhere. Complaining etc. does not care those companies. They have solid terms and conditions (AGB) for all of that.

And i'm also already done with all the bloat trying to get any right as a customer. At the end, a customer is a number, done. Might be different in other countries, but as i can see it is everywhere. It's because only money counts, everywhere too.

 

That used to happen to the tail light on RHTT services, it was fixed fairly fast to be fair, however now (as I did a post on) the tail light often appears on the lead loco...

 

And who would that be? There are many carriers in the US.

 

That's a disturbing thing for your customers to read, no?

It makes it seem like you don't actually care.

 

You can find stereotypes on both sides.

In 2021 I was looking for a graphics card on all the major online stores in my country. For many months on Amazon I found countless fraudulent sellers trying to take advantage of the pandemic and again I invested time and patience to report every single one of them to Amazon. It ended up with them calling me for an interview for their 3rd party seller investigation team lead role. I was clearly doing a better job than them.

My point is, with enough action things can and will change. You just have to be consistent. If you got used to being a number. Take action and let them know you must be treated with respect. Put them back on track.
It´s like when having kids. You can´t give up, you need to continue doing the right thing until the end.

 

You got a job by reporting scam sellers to Amazon?

 

No, i don't think so. Because i do care. I just told how it generally works, not that i follow strictly the same rules. But also i need to select from things i can do, should do, should not do. That's the daily business. Going 100% with the customers needs and i would be not here telling you how the world rotates ^^

 

That's completely valid, and I don't think any of is telling you (or DTG or anyone) to 100% comply to our needs. But I hope you do agree on that TSW sadly has serious development strategy and quality control issues, and I think we are way past the point where these issues started affecting the sales of the franchise. Player numbers seemed quite low for TSW3 as well, now they seem even worse in TSW4, unsurprisingly so - I mean they even had to put TSW3 back on sale after removing it from the Steam store, I assume beacuse TSW4 did so poorly. Now every new add-on is released for TSW4 only, limiting the scope of potential buyers even further.

Of course I don't want to see the end of the TSW franchise, but with every mediocre release and deglected add-on, I do feel like it is getting closer and closer. I don't want that, but DTG has already failed once with one of their products (Flight Sim World), yet they seemingly not care, thinking like they are invincible or something? I wouldn't want the franchise to end, as I think it has the greatest potential out of all the products on the market right now - but actions needed to be taken to improve overall quality and quality control. And this has been said even by DTG themselves years ago, yet things don't seem to change.

 

i don’t know where you got this impression… in the U.S. we have plenty of options when it comes to service providers. Both for telco abd internet. Availability in some remote areas might be limited, but definately we have several carrier options.

 

Saying on this forum, where your current and potential new customers are/will be, and saying they are just numbers, is the complete opposite.

Thats the sort of thing you keep to yourself.

 

This, just as an example picket from hundreds of them here on the forums, is only a assumption from you and you lay your guessing on that base. I can't tell you anything and will not really comment this as i have deep insights of how it really is. But i hate this behavior of the community. Telling the world how bad TSW is, how it goes downwards, how DTG is unable do work and what not else, all based on assumptions from no valid data you have. If you would have valid data, you would have a really restricting NDA and would not be able to talk about it at all. The problem i have with these massively spread assumptions and guessing is, that people, customers, potential players, read all this nonsense and think that is the truth. It is not what is really going on. It is what some people think is going on. Some even might wish it is going that way. Some wish DTG would disappear tomorrow just to have something to lough about. That is the real problem with this game. Yes, it has bugs, some annoying things. But honestly, what game does not have it. I play lots of games. All of them have annoying bugs. All of them are basically AAA titles. There is not such a big shitstorm about it mostly. They are not game breaking. Maybe they are a pain sometimes. Some may stop players from playing the game. The drama that is made of here is not the correct way to handle that. DTG does well to react to it, care of it (yes they do, i know that), and try to fix the most annoying things as fast as the situation allows it. What some folks here expect is simply not possible to do. Not for DTG nor for other companies.

You might like it or not ho i see the whole situation. I posten often enough to try to correct some ideas and guessing. But that does not work at all. So, this will be my very last post on these forums. I need to protect myself from all this. The downside of being in contact with the community is a massive motivation loss. So i will stop it no and forever. I tried it a few times already. All the time there is some new nonsense to react to. But it does not end well every time. Thinks what you want. It's a free world. Bye.

 

Well it's easy to say that DTG do the best to improve the game. but I have seen so many issues raised here. Issues that haven't been resolved in years that it's not difficult to understand why there are those that don't believe that DTG do enough and that there are those that are frustrated

It's not surprising that there are those that are frustrated and want the game to be better. It’s not surprising that there is so much negativity. It's not surprising that tsw 4 has mixed reviews on steam. You may not like seeing all the criticisms of the product, but it's not difficult to see why.

What does it say when we have so many threads asking for improvements to the content of this game?

What does it say when you and JT's route has received positive reviews yet DTG's routes are a hit or miss?

Yes other games have issues as well and I don't expect a bug free game, but that doesn't justify all the issues clearly plaguing this game and it's not hard to understand why there is so much negativity here. I don't want to be negative and I want to see this game to be better, but when I pay for a product, I don't expect to be stuck behind a ai train that won't move. I expect a fix after 2 years passengers of walking on the tracks at Garden City from the opposite platform to board the train. I don't expect a update to break something else. I don't expect to ride as a passenger at night in NY-TRENTON with the train lights completely off and thus not being able to see inside the train. I don't expect when I drive into New York Penn Station to have low framerates and I could go on and on

Apologies if not expecting so many issues with a product is somehow a bad thing or too high of an expectation. Apologies that a customer would expect that issues that have been in this game for as long as 2+ years would be fixed by now.

 

Something that I despise in this community (although this community is by no means the only that does it) is making itself out to be a charity of sorts for DTG. There is a sentiment in some that not buying something because it is effectively worthless (the new Skyhook wagon pack for example), a buggy mess (pick your own example, there are too many to count), or just not that good to begin with (ditto, Maintalbahn is the most recent example though) is somehow stealing money from DTG/another developer and that the staff at DTG deserve to be paid for their hard work.

As if. It is the job of the developers to pay their staff's wages, not mine. If they make content that isn't worth paying for, it is their fault that I'm not buying it. If every DLC ever released for TS and TSW were absolutely flawless, I'd have spent a lot more money on these games than I have already. Matt Peddlesden is allowed to warn the community on streams that delaying DLC to make them work for bugfixes will mean layoffs (he really said this, or at least something very close to this), but again that is not my problem, nor is it the problem of the community. Good products sell. I bought many routes and trains for both games because they were good, or they could be used for something else. However, I have also decided not to buy many other things because they don't provide the value for money I want.

I am admittedly a cheapskate. To me, a route is worth no more than £5 in either game, and trains £3. I'll spend more than that if I believe I am getting what I paid for, but as you can expect that doesn't come around often. Would buying things on sale also count as stealing money from the wages of DTG's staff? I don't know. I'm not particularly bothered anyway. DTG are in the awkward situation where they are too big to be run like a small company with small overheads, but cannot make enough money to sustain the company's size. This is the exact reason smaller teams can achieve far more than DTG with half the fuss. Maik Goltz, for example. I assume Just Trains is in a similar position. Both have made routes for TSW I want because they are good, and had effort put into them.

It's just a pity Niddertalbahn hasn't been on enough of a sale for me and the Blackpool route requires a game that has absolutely no value to me, and is the video game equivalent of Microsoft charging Windows 8 users to upgrade to Windows 8.1 - same OS, not many new features, but with updates only coming for the newish OS. Of course, Microsoft didn't charge for the upgrade which significantly improved W8's reputation. With DTG, not only have they made the mistake, it is now part of their plan for the foreseeable future. Great.

It's funny then that the £60 I'd need to spend to play on Just Train's new route is not much less than what Grand Theft Auto 6 will cost. The former seems hilariously expensive, while the latter seems like a fair price based on what we've seen so far. The difference is that half of the former is made by a company that have a chronic problem with not putting in effort, and the other half are a dedicated team who put in time and effort into making something that will be enjoyed and isn't just a way to make shareholders happy. The latter will inevitably have more effort, time, money, passion and thought put into it than DTG's attempt, which is a good reason for me buying GTA6 when it comes out and not TSW4/5/6 (who knows which one we'll be on by the time GTA6 comes out).

Huh? Are you being serious?

I seriously can't believe that you're planning on abandoning the forums because of this. You are a very good developer in both TS and TSW. I have been very complimentary of the Vossloh G6 and Niddertalbahn even though I own neither, and I enjoy the Konstanz route and its extension in TS a lot. However, I think it is insulting that when people tell you valid complaints about bugs and expecting them to be fixed, you give the excuse that your customers are just numbers and that it's just how companies are run, so we should deal with it. It's a novel way to lose the massive goodwill you've built up in this community, but do as you please.

People, quite rightly, expect what they have bought to work. While the problems may only be partially your fault (or depending on how the experimentation with the original release goes, not your fault at all) because of DTG's shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-every-year business model, there should always be an effort made by at least one party to make things right. Something working should universally be the standard for anything bought by somebody. The thoughts expressed in this thread are what people want. You can take the information and work on the content to get it working again, or you could just abandon the forums entirely and complain that we're effectively bullying you. We're not, but you appear to have taken the second option regardless.

 

Germany in a nutshell. 100 % can confirm

 

I don't understand that either. It looks as if someone here only sees one side of the coin or only sees themselves as a developer, but not the customer who has to endure and pay dearly for the sloppiness of DTG. Calling us just a "number" isn't exactly nice, even if it is what it is and describes DTG's approach well. It's a shame, really.

I won't buy a car if it only flashes sometimes or the heater only heats up to level 1. I'll return it or have the error fixed. And btw, a AAA title with such a high error rate as currently at TSW would also have been torn apart, see "Lord of the Rings Gollum" as an example.

Logically you can say, which some people do, if I don't like it, I don't have to buy it. But that's always a statement that comes up when you don't want to deal with the problem. And: When things are good, like the last DLC from JT or the Niddertalbahn from TSG, then that is sufficiently honored and mentioned. But then people seem to forget that.

Maik says that DTG is working on fixing bugs! At least that's not obvious to the players. Because instead of us getting information about what to do next, we are given a nonsensical challenge. “We had a little free time” and then they didn’t use it to fix errors, no, they released another DLC of questionable quality. This is a strange practice, isn't it?

There may be some users here who really criticize every little thing. But you have to admit that TSW is currently suffering from a number of problems. And if it's not financially worthwhile to create properly functioning vehicles and routes, then you just have to leave it alone or leave it to others.

The mood here is so toxic at the moment because many people are quite disappointed with DTG after all these years. Not because they think TSW is stupid or want to denigrate them, but because the trust they have gained has simply been used up.

 

From one side obviously increasing in bugs and negligence iterations of the same game...

from other side DTG/NDAslaved/employees and partners praising the DTG/STW and belliteling issues of the oppresive community.

 

You want to see how a "shitstorm" looks like, Maik? Check out how the Discord and Steam reviews look like for "The day before".

There are people saying negative things just to say them. The reviews for any iteration of TSW and its DLCs speak for themselves. Average.

Do you really think that everybody is hating and that you should automatically ignore their complaint cause it's not what you want to bear? My God.

A break is needed once in a while, it helps bring a new light to the same matter. Enjoy!

 

Let's put it like this: people are coming here and highlighting bugs/issues in good faith, as consumers who have paid good money for a good product. People are not coming here causing a "shitstorm" – something, in my mind, that means unjustified, excessive and angry outbursts.

Players will lose patience, however, when things are broken and the best we get, upon reporting the issue, is either silience or "we can't promise anything".

Take raining in tunnels. Tunnels didn't leak before. It was broken in TSW4. It absolutely can be fixed. It's one guy's work over hours or a few days, surely (basing this off knowing the kind of issues my developer sibling has fixed in short spaces of time). Either way, it can be fixed. There's no logical reason it can't be. They could probably give a rough time scale for something like that too.

Breaking something like that, which used to work, and saying only "we can't promise anything", is always unacceptable. If it's acceptable to a games studio, something is seriously wrong with their culture and customer focus.

If nothing changes in this regard, the TSW journey will be terminating here for me. I certainly won't believe any hype that comes with a TSW5, either, after features like suspension transpired to be actually alpha stage experiments that might be abandoned.

 

Rain in tunnels is apparently fixed in the patch going live this afternoon.

 

Then that is definitely a step in the right direction. And this is where DTG will equally get praise.

But you see how such comments like "we can't promise anything" stick in the mind, especially when there is evidence of issues not getting attention in the past.

But that is great news. Thanks for letting me know.

 

Does that include the snow that sets in the tunnels as well?

 

It's the same system, snow in TSW as in reality is just frozen rain depending on the tempreature set in the Game. So yes it should be.

 

"various improvements to ECML....."
-Fixed spelling errors.
-Changed a poster to include a familiar face.

A beast of an update

 

Three month of TSW4 now, and we get this and it is even called a "core update". Suspension system moved to next year, no word about the editor, marginal fixes. Don't know what to think about this.

 

You have obviously never created anything in the editor before .... making a route alone takes thousands of hours. With a team maybe hundreds of hours. If anything, routes should be higher priced.

 

They definitely should not be higher priced, and yes I've used the editor. You can buy entire standalone games for £30 - £40. Which 100% take more developer time and resources to make than a TSW route.
£25-£30 for a route is fine, as it's a niche market.

 

Nope, snow is still present in tunnels:
https://gamerdvr.com/gamer/boris-the-frog/video/183189382

 

I feel that the well-deserved praise he got with the G6, ICE 3 and Niddertalbahn routes may have gone to his head in a way. As soon as the narrative isn't going his way, possibly for the first time, he acts like this. For someone as capable as a developer as he is, it's certainly a childish thing to do.

I have been developing routes for several years now, mostly by myself. If you want, I can send screenshots of them when I get home. The scenery of the route is as good as and often better than the efforts DTG have been making in TSW, but my route will be released for free and won't be released in a broken state.

(By the way, if anyone is interested in my route send me a message and I'll tell you more about it)

 

Ground snow is another thing then the rain system...but this is unbelievable.

 

At least I can drive in the rain properly now.

The snow in tunnels thing needs fixing though.

 

You'd think, while they were at it, they'd have the sense to check all types of weather in tunnels.

Well, at least it's a step forwards... Maybe the next update?

 

Another thing: there is still sunlight in tunnels. That needs fixing as well (on SEHS between Rochester and Chatham and one of the High Speed 1 tunnels between Ebbsfleet and Ashford are two examples that come to mind.

I have to drive with clouds or at night just to get around this.

 

This is on KWG, their is some tunnels where snow is shown between the tracks in tunnels, others don't have any snow. It seems like it is a problem of how the tunnels are set up.

 

I can at least confirm no more rain in tunnels on SEHS. So thats good.

 

In my opinion, Mr. Goltz's latest posts in this thread are totally disproportionate and out of place.
It must be taken into account that he is, by far, the third-party developer who has received the most praise and congratulations from the community for the great work he has done. And it has been totally deserved because the players have enjoyed it a lot thanks to their effort, dedication and love for details, and for everything that has contributed to making TSW better.
But it is not logical that he now tells us that it is a disadvantage to be in contact with the community and that it represents an enormous loss of motivation. I can't believe that all those praises didn't have a positive influence on him and his work and that he forgot about it so quickly.

Nor is it logical to take as something personal any complaint, annoyance or discontent that the community expresses most of the time politely (except for some idiot, who unfortunately always exist anywhere), and which are not even against him. not against your company, but for things we think DTG could do better.

In my humble opinion and from what I have seen over the years, this community is generally quite fair. She shows her discontent when things are done wrong, but she is also grateful and praises when she sees that a good job has been done, as was recently seen with JT's route. And if you gladly accept the good, you also have to know how to accept criticism.

We can all have a bad day due to a personal problem or anything else, and I am going to think that his words are the result of that. I hope he calms down, reflects and goes back to being an important part of the forums as he has been until now.

 

This 1000%

I for one do have the Niddertalbahn and thoroughly enjoy the route. I got nothing negative to say about it. But I do think that the posts from TSG do show a clear disconnect from a dev point of view to the customer.

We have services in this game that are unplayable. We have bugs dating back several months if not years still not sorted. But with all due respect, he acts like alot of the negativity is unwarranted or unfair which most of the time, it is not. You will receive praise, you may get the odd person being annoying, but most of the time, there are those that provide feedback because they want the game to be better. When a person buys the game, having the core features working properly isn't too high of an expectation. It's what a customer rightly expects. It's not unreasonable to expect issues that have plagued this game for months to have been resolved by now.

Most of the complaints from what've I've seen aren't directed at TSG but at DTG so I don't get his problem.

Games like cyberpunk 2077 and Star Wars Jedi Survivor were ripped to pieces for their poor launches which hurt the developers reputation. But due to tsw being a "niche" it probably will never higher levels of backlash that other triple AAA studios would get.

I haven't been in this forum for long but I can understand why there so many complaints. Heck, if many of these issues were resolved, this thread and other similar ones would not exist.

I would suggest that rather than calling customers "just a number," ignoring complaints because it's not what he wants to hear, or saying that players are causing a "shitstorm," that he takes some time to understand why there is so much negativity in this forum.

 

Well certainly the RRO situation needs to be looked at as the defective timetable runs for the G6 are part of Journey mode. Now whether that falls on TSG as the add on creator or DTG as the route builder/purveyor is not really something the customer should have to be concerned with. The necessary action should be happening seamlessly behind the scenes. Same goes for any other bug or issue.

 

There are other problems with the HOTD vs. EOTD factors, some are easy to fix, but DTG is lazy and just wants the next bit of money.

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/c40-8w-brake-issue.37580/
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/end-of-train-device-psi-value.37809/
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/th...38-2-wrong-eotd-pressure-fix-suggested.75504/
https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/csx-c40-8w-loco-add-on-fix-the-hotd-error.75878/

 

Hahaha, you must be the one who starts the engine and just moves on, it's full of errors in HOTD vs. EOTD.

HOTD on the CSX C40-8W Loco has never worked since its launch in TSW 2 and continues to not work in TSW 3 and TSW 4.

You are very funny.

 

Ok fair play. I also make routes in TSC. What I´m trying to say is: If a route has a decent lenght (50-100 miles) and is done right, I would be willing to pay higer prices. The current state of payware routes? They are priced right or even too high.

 

On a different note, after the massive disappointment generated by the a certain point of view expressed here, I went out and checked how ¨the other train game¨ fares.

To my surprise, they have made some really important updates in the past weeks. To overhaul the graphics and introduce weather seasons (real time too) is not a small task, yet they can do it without asking for more money in return. I suspect them of money/crypto laundering of some sort because otherwise we have been told that upgrades like this can´t happen without laying off staff since they bring no new money in.

It´s so good when you have alternatives.

 

The trouble in TSW now is that other than the efforts of JustTrains, the routes really don't justify their price. The new routes in TSW4 each have one new train, and I believe only Voralberg has more than one train overall but I could be wrong. The Maintalbahn has one new train and one that has been around for years in an inaccurate livery and no real reason to want it. I've said it before, but they could have made London to Peterborough instead of what they made, thrown in the 700 and 387 and have a far more compelling deal than anything they've made for a long time. The extended SEHS was a long, mostly high quality route with one very good train and three decent ones and plenty of different places to drive them, while modern routes are just not very impressive when it comes to value. While £30 is too much for me regardless, it's safe to say that that price is far easier to stomach when you're buying something like SEHS, Riesa to Dresden or, most of all, the Blackpool route.