Cargo Line Volume 1 - Questionable New Pack From Skyhook

Where did you get this silliness, my man? Ever heard about the concept of negotiation? Both the seller and the buyer have the right to set a price that they are satisfied with it, then the sale happens if both parties can agree on a price they are happy with. While in modern times it has changed a bit, negotiation is not present for most of your purchases - but instead you have options like waiting for sales, which is similar at the end.

Seriously, I do not get some of you who keep acting like corporation are some god like entities and us consumers are merely slaves destined to buy products at all costs. We can always choose to simply not buy something and then it is then their loss, not ours. Then you can complain about "fair price" all you want when noone is willing to buy it.

Just for the record, I have no problem with the price of this pack. But I do agree that it seems to add less value than the RHTT pack or the 37/7 pack for SEHS, yet it seems to be more expensive? No wonder many people are finding it overpriced in this regard.

 

LeadCatcher Exactly! And here on this forum is a small base of users so if 5 persons are not happy with this price this will not promote the whole community!

 

Yes the business gets to decide the price. But the customer gets to decide what is "fair". They can set the price to £100 for it, but people aren't going to think it's a "fair" price.

The point of this in this thread is individuals giving their thoughts on what they think is a fair price. No consensus was ever attempted, it's just individuals giving their thoughts on the price to the creator of the product.

 

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I negotiate prices all the time, literally part of my job, that argument that you keep putting out isn't actually true.

 

I don't know how many employees Skyhook has but as far as I know some of the examples of lower pricing for other "small packs" are from much smaller developers or even people working on their own. I suspect Matrix trains which has been used as an example works on his own and no longer sells through Steam which I suspect tells us something. I know nothing of the new developer releasing the 323 reskin, they appear to be just getting started, is train simulator work their only source of income.

Something really is the value of what someone wishes to pay for it.

 

It is part of my job too, but I don't think you can equate that with purchasing DLC for a train simulator!

 

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No, but the person I was responding to said you never get to discuss/negotiate prices. I was proving that isn't the case.

 

Fair enough!

 

Way to show you have no real world experience in handling proper business. Try to sell or buy an used car without negotiation. Same for a house. Try to go to a marketplace and buy or sell things without negotiation. Trying to get a new job will also put you into positions to negotiate. And as stated above, some people's job at companies is literally negotiating prices between different companies. Just because you don't do it every day at your local corner shop, it does not mean negotiation is no longer part of the everyday word. Yet it is still present even in your everyday purchases, because refusing to buy at full price and instead waiting for a sale is also similar to negotiation.

And you say there is no discussion about pricing between customer and selles, but like... at every company there literally is a sales department that tries to come up with the best price for each product, because if you overprice something, it just won't sell. Do you know what this decision is based on? Past sales, usually. It is an indirect communication between sellers and buyers.

And that is what many people are already doing! Just look at the player numbers for different train simulators.

 

Is this forum a supermarket? No. It has no sales ability whatsoever.
This is a forum for discussing the game, and acquiring feedback for the game.
People are giving their feedback that they think the price is too much/not fair. No one is trying to negotiate or barter, this isn't a point of sale.
They are letting their feedback be known to the manufacturer, which is a good thing.

 

Correct but not about a product in 9 pounds cost! Thats the whole point....

 

What will youre "feedback", i call it complaining, thin line... Not far away from each other bring in reality? There is no information about this whole complaining

 

In a marketplace I can literally negotiate on the price of a 7 euro HotWheels car. The price of the product has no say in whether it can be subject to negotiation or not.

And as the rest of my reply said, even though there is no direct negotiation for software products, you can always just refuse to buy or wait for a sale - therefore showing the seller that it is not worth it for the current price. A somewhat indirect negotiation.

 

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Is there an article for this? DTG JD

 

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https://skyhookgames.com/coming-soon-tsw-4-cargo-line-vol-1-petroleum/

 

So does feedback have to always be of a positive nature to be called feedback? Haven't you heard of the concept of negative feedback?

 

Nothing from DTG?

 

It's a product from skyhook and DTG has not the intention sofar to create a blog... Maybe tommorow by release!

 

Its more than fair! What i have seen sofar is mindblowing! Well done to Skyhook!

 

What about Cargo line?

 

I guess the statement you made “If the majority of customers don't think it's a fair price, then it isn't.” Is not that implying consensus?

Sorry I thought you were talking for the majority - not as an individual with that statement. I am glad to see that you agree with me that “value” and “fairness” is an individual determination. Just confused me when you started speaking about a majority which has no bearing on what an individual thinks about a product.

 

Since when skyhook games become a charity all of a sudden? Since when is a person stingy for not wanting to purchase something? Last time I checked, an individual doesn't have to purchase a product as some here point out yet apparently those same individuals are stingy for not wanting to pay full price as if the company is deserving of an individual's cash. Honestly, which is it?

It's not the customers job to care about return on investment or if employees get fed. If a company puts a product up for sale, a customer can determine if the product is of value or not. Labeling people as cheapskates or being stingy for not wanting to purchase something is ridiculous just because others don't see value in this.

People wait for sales or negotiate for lower prices all of the time. That doesn't make them stingy. No business deserves money out of good will. If they ask for money, it's up to the customer to decide if they think the price is right or not.

 

Correct, it is the responsibility of the company to do right by its staff. If you want to pay rock bottom prices then you get what you pay for, or possibly nothing at all because companies will have worked out what price point is viable and whether it is worth producing content.

Companies are not charities, but they have to be viable and make a profit, however it seems everyone else is an expert on how they should do that rather than the producers of the DLC themselves.

I have seen how much the costs of running a business have risen over the last 18 months, it isn't something to be scoffed at!

 

Of course it’s all subjective…

If this had been a Mark One buffet and restaurant car pack!!

 

And?

I don't live in the U.K, but costs for operating a business is not my problem. It's not the customers job to give a hoot about a businesses wages or employees well being. You offer a product, a person decides if it is worth it or not. It's that simple. Yet we have those labeling people as stingy because they don't want to buy this, being cheap because they don't want to pay full price yet those same individuals say that they don't have to buy it at all. It makes no sense and it's pretty ridiculous

Some see value in this, whilst others don't see value in what is essentially a class 66 hauling a tank wagon already in game with a different livery and bogie. But at the end of the day, it's not our responsibility to care about the well being of a business that is asking for money

 

It isn't your responsibility true. However a bit of understanding as to why a price is set at a certain level might actually help.

I don't quite know how so many pages of this thread have been about the price, although, it seems par for the course for this forum at the moment, jump on every bit of news and see if we can create some kind of controversy or find something to get angry over.

Although, I don't quite find the faux outrage about the "stingy" comment particularly convincing.

Anyway as said several times it is up to people to decide whether it is worth it.

 

So apparently providing feedback on a price of a certain product is somehow now just cherrypicking to drum up controversy. That doesn't make sense.

We aren't obligated nor responsible to understand why prices are set the way they are. It's not really my nor other people's job to be sympathetic to businesses or understand why they operate the way they do.

 

I have said the same thing as you well know, but I am afraid it falls on deaf ears so with any and every release, I am afraid these threads will appear. At least there is consistency in the forums….

 

If you aren't willing to understand the reasons behind a price then I don't understand why you would question it.

Anyway you do what you want, I am leaving this discussion, the thread will likely be locked if it carries on much more.

 

My final post to this chat before I hit the unsubscribe button due to what sadly is turning into a mud slinging contest which is not helping anything. I for one only mentioned my perspective in a constructive non judgemental way. Personally I don't agree with the price but some here are happy to pay it and I respect free will as a sovereign being. So I don't mind if people disagree with me or agree but I have nothing else to add to this topic and I really hope that Skyhook Games/DTG will at the very least consider doing a Class 60 pack in DB/EWS to compliment this tank car pack in the future because as I originally said, this is a gateway to a potentially fun freight pack and if Skyhook Games happens to read my comment. Please consider doing a Class 60 in the future and offer this wagon pack with it as a bundle, because I feel strongly in my gut and from the invaluable information and feedback I received on my Class 60 Pack suggestion on here elsewhere. I would buy the bundle with no hesitations as that at least for me would provide a new locomotive that is still in revenue earning service and the matching tank wagons that would fit perfectly on the Kingsbury to Lindsey/Humber Oil Refinery duties that was the norm back in 2017.

That's all from me here
Peace Out.

 

Having just watched the stream, Adam's passion was very obvious. Lot of really cool info about TSW development, and future freight proposals.
Definitely be picking this up tomorrow, just to support the chance of future endeavors.

 

Tuned in as I always enjoyed Adam on stream back in the DTG days & 100% agree with a certain comment he made regarding DTG streams.

As much as I did enjoy the stream & think that adding freight across the MML will do a lot of good for it, I still think they need to aim for a class 60 release - not only for variety but because it was born in the area and will very likely die in it too. The locomotive which essentially took on the 59/61/66 in a head to head very much deserves a place in this route.

Certainly interested to see where Cargoline as a whole leads to, I’m getting speedlink style vibes here. We just need to address the locos.

Great stream Adam, hope you do more.

 

Yes, I agree. Great to watch a stream which focuses on lots of interesting information rather than a straight sales pitch for a change.

 

They also aren't working to a time budget.

 

Where was this streamed please?

 

Twitch. lucazonex

 

Thank you

 

Are you all like this when you show up at a restaurant and think the $15 appetizer isn't proper value? You get into a spirited (and rude) shouting match with the waiter over the proper pricing of their menu? I'm not saying feedback shouldn't be given, but 6 pages of over the top arguments about a $15 pack of scenarios, tankers, and timetables is a bit over the top.

 

I’d see it on the menu & not order it.

Poor analogy.

Yet here you are adding to it with your complaints. Ironic isn’t it.

 

I notice there’s not a dedicated thread for this in the feedback forum yet.

Ultimately the $64k question to anyone who has bought it is; was it worth the asking price?