Cargo Line Volume 2 Speculation

I have noticed the cargo line volume 1 66 has banker comms on the cab secure radio...so i would hazard a guess that skyhook plan a banking scenario on the cross city line for the next pack....

unless someone wants to say its always been there

 

Banking Comms has been something you could turn on/off on the 66 for a while from what I know, I'm not entirely sure why it was added as a feature as I don't think I've ever had to use it.. and I I don't even know what it's actually used for in the first place..!
I can't help but wonder if the fact the 52/47 being useable on the new freight runs are some sort of hint, I doubt it, as I'm not sure what the hint could be anyway, but if anyone else has any ideas, I'd like to hear them!

 

Could it be that it's the mid child between the 47 and 52? Looks like a 47, strength similar to a 52... Class 57? I know that's a bit tin foil hat of me but one can dream. Odds are the 47 is just to add some realistic variation in reference to the 57, and the 52 might be a reference to when one pulled a freight train to test it for mainline running ahead of a railtour.

As for the banking comms, same as on the US locos it's so that a second locomotive at the rear end of the train will sync up its brakes and throttle with yours so as to push from the back. As far as I know there's only two Class 66 timetable services in the entire game that could actually see it used, and both of them are on the relatively flat region of SEHS where it isn't even necessary. Other timetable services with the Class 66 see them double heading so they don't need the comm to sync up, they do it directly by a control cable like the US locos do. That being said, thanks to Free Roam I can safely say it makes for some pretty fun banking power when driving freight trains up the Lickey Incline on BCC.

 

Second pack should have a new loco, preferably Class 60.

 

Ah yeah, that all makes sense - who knows, maybe it is a hint, maybe it's just as a bit of fun! Ohh yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember hearing about Banking Comms, shame we don't get to use it (other than in free roam as you said) because I think it'd be awesome to have some heavy TnT services! Thanks for explaining all that to me - appreciate it!

 

Yeah, or maybe even a 56, an EWS 56.. don't know how well that'd fit in with the time the route is set but it'd still be awesome and definitely welcomed!

 

Assuming the Cargo Line theme continues, we could get anything really.. how about a car transporter rake, with scenarios on the new goblin line?

 

I really don't think the next cargoline pack will come with a loco. So think people are setting themselves up for disapointment there.
Possibly a new 66 livery, but probably just the scenarios, services and new wagons. I've really been enjoying the first one, so will definitely by the second.

 

As was said in a previous thread by myself and another user, the 66 was only included for two reasons. 1: To accommodate for the tiny percentage of people who don't own one yet. 2: Because of the way Train Sim World works, timetable services need a specific locomotive to call upon in order to function. They can substitute in others but they still need a specific one as base, and since they separated loco packs from routes with TSW3, that means that every new wagon needs its own loco.

The 66 was the same as all the others because it's only there due to a limitation in the game itself, not an intended feature. The Cargo Line series, however many addons that ends up being, are likely supposed to be looked at as wagon packs and not full loco addons. With that said however, when life gives you lemons you make lemonade, they could just as easily use the opportunity to do new liveries for the Class 66.

 

Yeah, I'm not expecting a new loco, as nice as it'd be. Yeah, I really like the first one, so I'll definitely buy the second aswell!

 

Looking at the formula here, the park is both a scenario add-on as well as a wagon pack. So looking deeper into the scenario comparability is likely the best bet for speculation. Hopefully it won’t just be modern wagons too!

 

Whole heartedly agree. The 66 is getting old now.

 

At a minimum the need to be new liveries, every other UK route has an EWS 66, presumably they’ll continue to do so. How many EWS 66’s need to be added to the game before someone says “yeah that’s pretty ridiculous”.

The selection menu already has a scroller because there are that many duplicates.

 

DTG- no licence from Frightliner, Colas,GBRf ???

 

A Colas 66 could be a good one to have... You could use that on all other routes, and it'd be kind of correct for the tankers, as Colas (along with DB obviously) run them sometimes, albeit with a 70 but a 66 would be a decent replacement of sorts...
The amount of EWS 66s we've got in the game is mad, as CK95 said, there's a scroller on the selection page
We can only hope....

 

It would be great to see a 56 or a 60 enter TSW. The 47s and 66s are becoming stale.

 

Yeah, a 56 would be great! If that did come, the first thing I'd do is remake my local RHTT (two Colas 56s) - that's something I always want, more locos to be RHTT compatible, sadly though I can't imagine that'd be the easiest thing to do, but anything is possible!

 

Rivet managed a DRS license.

 

DTG hold the DRS license and it is for the Class 66 only. DTG have been trying to obtain a Freightliner and GBRf license for years, and so far the FOCs have not been interested.

 

oof, that doesn’t bode well for Goblin Line, was hoping for some Freightliner there.

 

Oh right, good to know that though! Interesting the DRS license is for 66s only, I would've thought it would be DRS as a whole, and not just a licence for the 66s specifically. Anyway, thanks for that little bit of inside info! Shame that GBRf/Freighliner don't seem to be interested, they'd be a great addition to the game, we can only hope sometime in the future they'll finally accept!

 

I mean, we could just have loads of ONE 66s out and about instead.. that's closest to Freightliner we have at the moment, and that 66 still isn't even here!!
(Speaking of that - does anyone have any idea what happened to this engineers express thing?)

 

As much I want to get away from EWS 66’s - I don’t want to see an army of ONE units.

I’m guessing that there is either a big issue technically, or a license issue. Wonder if it’ll ever come out.

 

Haha, yeah I don't think I'd like that either...
Must be one of those two, I hope it does come out, I actually really want it!

 

Genuine question:

When a license is obtained, does a new one have to be granted for each train for that FOC?

 

I can't take that much pink, I'm not Matt

 

Varies contract by contract. Depends entirel;y on the deal the TOC is willing to make. It appears that some, like Deutsche Bahn, made a blanket agreement for everything. Others, not so much.

 

not everything with DB, the main DB brand looks to be secure for a lot of things but they are more “tricky” with ICE branding and possibly the regional ones but I ain’t sure on that second part.

DB offspring like Arriva doesn’t seem to fall under the same easy category neither.

I would definitely say ones related to DFT seem to be one of the easiest.

 

I'm really surprised the DRS license is 66 only. It's owned by the DFT isn't it?

 

Just had a look, it does say public but it has a lot of links to nuclear stuff, and a nuclear authority is its parent, so maybe a bit difficult in the way BNSF was.

 

Oh BNSF was difficult?

 

yep, very at one point, I’m pretty sure it caused a route to get cancelled at one point for a perspective of that.

something to do with what it transported I think aswell played a part in its difficulties, an if i remember correctly it could be licensed in the US but not U.K. or possibly anywhere else.

 

BNSF wasn't "difficult" because they didn't want to play ball; it was a hassle because in the course of the restructuring associated with the merger, the North American and rest-of-world IP rights got assigned to different entities, and trying to nail down both got complicated.

 

So the license for DRS branding only applies for the class 66. Out of curiosity, what about alternate liveries within the same operator? For example Rivet have done the Class 66 in DRS blue, what if you were to do a Class 66 in DRS Compass? I'm by no means a law student or knowledgeable on exactly how licensing works, so I'm just curious as to whether the license DTG have would allow for a release like that?

 

Given that licenses are also on a per-train basis, I would assume that applies to individual liveries as well. Probably why the only Class 66 livery is EWS.

 

Hahaha, fair enough! We'll have to be careful Matt doesn't see that idea.. he'll be sold with the idea! :P

 

Re the Freightliner licence, isn’t there an officially branded version on the Class 70 in TSC?

Anyhow, easy answer. Much as I know fictional liveries are frowned upon just paint a 66 in Brunswick Green with “Fast Freight” in yellow gold lettering as the company name on the side.

 

Actually yeah, there is an FL 70 in TSC, and a Colas one I'm pretty sure.. maybe a different license is needed for different games, so even though TSC has it, another license is needed for TSW, and FL/Colas are, for whatever reason, being awkward. Haha, that's an idea - quick, shove it in the suggestions hub!!

 

At this point I'll take that. I'd obviously prefer the authentic names, but if you can just use the colours with a fictional name, do it please. EWS red 66s only is really an issue. I'm literally buying the new rivet pack just for the DRS and ONE 66 skins, nothing else.

 

Yeah, that's one of the main reasons I want the pack too.. shame it's just sort of died. Rivet (as far as I know) haven't said a thing about it and neither has DTG either (again, as far as I know.)

 

No. DRS, being nuclear related, is ultimately part of the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero, not the DfT.

 

Well, there is also the DB Schenker

 

Didn't that only appear once? I only recall it being on the GWE Class 66.

 

Yep, only appeared in GWE, you can use it on ECW however that's it. No other routes have it layered on, despite having every other available 66 (aside from the TTC one obviously) usable in these other routes...

 

As Toton depot is in MML (depot is just a white box ATM) but allot of scenery and tracks are laid. This could be one part along with a MGR via Radcliffe on Soar power station. 58 or 60 would be a nice addition too if a freight loco is included.

 

I'd like to see some more VTG wagons layered into some of the German routes. Anything that expands current gameplay is a plus. Some of the current wagons in German routes are becoming bland and repetitive.

I'd like to see a Class 67 or 70 diesel locomotive in the UK routes now, the 66 has been done to death.

 

Which is kind of backwards, isn't it? I mean, this many years after the buyout I woiuld expect traffic red ones to far outnumber maroon by now.

 

Yeah, you'd think that would be the car but nope! The exact opposite - maroon just keeps multiplying.

 

Assuming the next volume is for the MML and not another of their routes then a EWS or GBRf liveried class 60 would be the most prototypical for the era. Maybe they could also make better use of Toton and the power station.

Don't even get me started on the lack of modern freight locos for UK routes. Its embarrassing that after all these years we only have one with 6 variants of dirt.

 

Gbrf is unfortunately one of those licenses that dtg have been unable to obtain. Adam from skyhook confirmed that. Another license that still hasn't been able to be obtained is freightliner. So you only have ews and the 66 is the most prevalent locomotive running