Dtg Partner Up With A New Company For City Tram Simulator For Next Year

Hi Trains Community
I don't know if you heard this but DTG just post a newsletter with a new IP in work call City Transport Simulator for 2024. What do people think about this> Feedback welcome

Heres the link
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2604480/City_Transport_Simulator_Tram/

 

I have doubts about this game. I read, that it plays in the fiktion German City Tramau. Tramsim was the opposite. It took place in real Cities (Vienna and Munich).

 

ah hell I know nothing about publishers but if publishers set the price for the game they can publish it'll be a bit overpriced here I think

 

Viewapp did fairly well with Tram Sim. A bit strange that they've gone and made a brand new Tram Simulator rather than sticking with it, who knows.

Interesting that Dovetail seem to be taking their Tram Games under their wing, though. They published Tram Sim: Console Edition, and now this.

Seems to me like Dovetail are looking to branch out a good bit more.

 

PC and console too. It could be very interesting. I haven’t tried TramSim as I wasn’t convinced by anything I’ve seen of it so this could go either way I suppose.

 

As I read the topic of the Newsletter I was "whoa", then I read it is in a fictional city and excitement went down from hero to zero. I'm still going to get Tram Sim Deluxe at some time, because they are settled in cities I've visited sometimes. Fictional city with, as it seems, reskins of tram models is not what I'm looking for

 

I bought TramSim some months ago, but I found it somewhat clunky so I stuck it away in a drawer somewhere and haven't touched it since.

I suppose it may become obsolete if DTG puts out a new version that works well.

 

If done well this could be good. Bookmarked and wishlisted on Steam.

 

Looks like a DTG sort of game. Drive your vehicle through empty ghost cities.

 

Gotta admit the impression DTG gives off is the worry for bugs in any of their other products from my time with TSW. I would consider they’re other products if I was interested in what they offer but that’s kinda what I think a lot on when I hear about their other products.

bit of a shame in a way, as I’ve definitely seen them put a lot of effort in quite a number of areas at other points.

 

I agree about TramSim being clunky. I admit, though, I haven’t spent that much time with it.

 

For me its a huge part of the fun when i can test things in tsw, which i know from the real railway sector & work, also the other way around train stations i know from tsw seeing in reality.
So if they are gonna represent a real tram or subway, this is highly welcome. Fictional?, not gonna waste my time because there are trillions of possible routes for a solid choice.

Rather prefere a short tram route based on a real railway, than something fictional. Takes just a huge part of the fun from my side.

 

I’m not really impressed by the choice of going fictional. I think I get why, it seems that they want you to build your own tram network instead of just driving, but it’s the realistic driving I’m here for. If it ends up coming to console like tram sim, I’ll certainly keep an eye on it though and see what the finished product looks like.

 

Agree, sounds a bit like the bus sim 21, tram dlc ad on. We shall see. But being a fake place, no thanks. I just bought tramsim console addition. Joe dobson i think his name is mentioned it ment to be really good.

 

I'm skeptical about the decision. How many times we got told that time and ressources are so limited for the developement of TSW already, but on the other hand they seem to have these to create one (or even two) complete new game franchises.

I mean I like the idea of a tram simulator and would really want to drive trams (f.e. the one in Dresden), but why A. not implementing Tram lines directly in TSW and B. they even start two new games now with this?

Anyways, I welcome the idea of tram simulation, but I hope that it don't take too many ressources and time away for TSW development. Also I go with the herd here saying better real lines than fictional ones. But I guess the problems with licensing in the latest time may have lead to the decision to make fictional routes. Let's see if it pays out. In the end quality is what matters the most.

 

I do agree this would be better built into the TSW game system rather than a standalone product. And although as I said earlier this is on my watchlist, agree the fictional setting is a bit off putting. Wonder if this will come with any sort of editor (Blackpool beckons).

 

ViewApp is the deveIoper, not DTG. I highly doubt DTG has much involvement in developement beyond publishing duties.

ViewApp have built their base with TramSim Vienna and Munich, it wouldn't make sense for them to start basically from scratch on a completely different proprietary version of Unreal (that wasn't developed with trams in mind) just because they switched publishers. Besides, it's quite likely their new game was already in developement when they first signed with DTG to publish TramSim's console port.

 

As Labra said, DTG is just publishing ViewApp’s product, nothing to do with development for TSW.

In regards to whether TramSim should have been in TSW, obviously, ViewApp decided that having their own proprietary set-up is preferable to working within the constraints of TSW. Seeing how different light rail and street running is to the regular trains seen in TSW, I’d think ViewApp had to build enough proprietary systems anyways that TSW and Simugraph would not have made development easier. The train has left the station now anyhow, you’d have to start from scratch to get anything from Tram Sim working in TSW.

 

Aha, yes. Anyways I hope that DTG does not stress out with these plans as I can think some departements are going to be a bit occuppied with it still.

Hmmm, "ViewApp". Never heard of that developer before. I saw that they created some asset DLCs for games on Steam. Does anyone know more about this developer?

How many people are they? And where are they from?

 

Not going to lie, this looks pretty bad in my opinion.

Ficitonal town, unappealing modern tram, no road traffic or pedestrians in the store screenshots... Even in the trailer they only have road traffic, but no pedestrians. The overhead wires are floating in air without any support, no cross cables. Graphics might look a bit better than TSW, but everything is so clean that the whole thing looks like a playstic toy town.

Quite difficult to take seriously, really.

 

According to their website, they are based in Austria. All I've heard about them is that they aren't good developers. They made tramsim vienna which got a few dlcs. It was also overpriced. Support for dropped when munich released. I don't think munich was supported for long either. Then they have this game which is a fictional city. They are also working on city driver according to their website

 

Yeah, I have both Munich and Vienna and both feel like an abandoned Early Access game. So much unused potential. Now working on this fictional Tram Sim means they'll abandon City Driver too? (Well, not that I was going to buy it anyway) Makes me wonder, how long it takes them to abandon this game too? 6 months?

From the beginning I wondered why they didn't do a base game "TramSim" and Munich and Vienna (and later more cities) would have been DLC. Would have opened up the game for 3rd parties too, like TSW. But instead they took the way of two (now three) separate games... This is maybe the most unused potential...

At least I didn't buy them full price...

 

It's the professionals answer to the abomination to that DLC Slightly Mad Studios put out for Bug sorry Bus Simulator 21

 

I think you mean Stillalive Studios

Slightly Mad Studios developed the Project Cars games, as well as Fast & Furious Crossroads, amongst others.

 

That's the one! Either way both make sub par games, with still alive using kiddies to test their terrible games, if your on PC stay away from bug sim 21, buy omsi and fernbus, if on console, just buy fernbus.

Bus sim 21 is a insult to simulation games

 

Bus Sim 21 is plenty of fun for what it is, although "The Bus" is much better. At least it has graphics from the last two decades unlike Omsi 2 lol.

 

Yeah i have both tramsim munic and Vienna and especially enjoyed vienna with its variety of trams and two different lines. I think they should have expanded their tram sim game with more real citys, it also felt quite alive when you set the traffic slider to max, so you had to look out for Signals, your stops and Mad car drivers.

But a fictional city with the same trams from munic and vienna wont be something id be very interested in.
What would i give to see some of NRWs Tram systems in tramsim.

 

Didnt see this one coming! Really looking forward to more tramsim! But somewhat disappointed its a fictional route..

 

Bus Sim 21 is good if you view it as an arcade experience.

Compared to Bus Sim 2016 and, in particular, Bus Sim 2018, it is a downgrade in every sense.

The US Map is awful (the City section is alright, but it just feels soulless outwith that), while the EU map is just brilliant.

Driving feels awful (on controller, at least) and the weird glow that comes from Destination Displays and other screens is quite annoying.

That and the fact the Livery Editor is god awful (not much change from BS18).

BS18 felt more like a simulator because it actually felt like you were driving a bus, not some racecart.

I bought Fernbus recently and it was my preference almost instantly. It felt like a bus. That's what we like to see; the basics!

 

Have you tried "The Bus" ? I've enjoyed using it, good views of Berlin as well.

 

Slightly Mad Studios can't be put in the category of a developer that made sub-par games. The Need For Speed Shift games were great, the Test Drive game they made was alright, and the first two Project Cars games were brilliant. PC3 was a downgrade as a Project Cars game, but on its own was decent and could have done better being marketed as something else. In effect it was a Driveclub 2, which is a game that I desperately want.

As for the new Tram game, I'm not bothered by the city (I really like fictional maps) and neither am I bothered by DTG publishing it, but I do want the new game to have more support than the TramSim games got.

 

I purchased Tramsim when it was released on PS5 and I enjoyed it, played it for a few weeks and still boot it up every now and again but it is very clunky and it now seems abandoned by the developers which is a shame as it had huge potential. I don't think I'll be buying this new Tram game. A fictional city does nothing for me on these games.

 

I'm a sufferer of consoles, sadly.

I have to say though I've watched loads of The Bus on YT and it does look like it could end up being The Bus Simulator. Pun intended.

 

Omsi might not have the best graphics in the world but graphics are not everything, it has a special place in my heart. Its still my favourite game if I want to drive a bus

 

Too many good games console missing out on, Not too many Bus Sims, TSW is the only realistic train sim.

no good Truck sims aswell, Euro Truck Sim 2 & American Truck sim I’ve always wanted to grab hold off.

 

The Bus could eventually come to consoles though. Tourist Bus and Fernbus are on Console

 

Shall we open the 'enough is enough' thread for this new venture now?

 

My PC can run ETS2 relatively well so I've got the luxury of that. Top tier game.
The Truck "Sims" on console are awful. Mud/Snowrunner aren't bad but I wouldn't call them Simulators in the ETS2 sense.

 

Biggest problem with OMSI2, well two actually, are that sometimes it won't cooperate and simply crashes to desktop. Or when it does run only works with keyboard or mouse, cannot get the gamepad to work other than sudden jerky moves, no analogue feel at all.

 

Yikes, fictional map? I'm not sure about that one, chief...
I was excited for it at first because I was hoping there could've been a possibility for a VBZ route in Zürich. But, im really not sure what I feel about fictional maps.

Nonetheless, I wish the best for them and hope it goes well

 

100% this!

 

Yeah the game is extremely unstable, especially when you add a bunch of mods into the mix. But luckily, I have always had a wheel to drive with so I have never really had to deal with any of those KBM or controller issues. When it wants to work (which is almost never) and if you can get over the ancient graphics then it is a great game.

 

The graphics may be outdated now, but the sound and driving physics are clearly superior to all other bus sims, there is simply nothing equal or better.

It's still a shame that there was never an OMSI3.

 

Well, in fact there is LOTUS, which is from one of the producers of OMSI and offers both trams and buses.
But even after more than 5 years it's still in Early Access and with 40 € for "Streets of LOTUS" (bus) and another 40 € for "Rails of LOTUS" (tram) it's way too expensive for what you get at the moment.
They recently announced to switch from their own engine to Unity, which could be either the last chance or the final blow...

 

Yes, I've heard and read about Lotus, but I don't consider it a real successor due to its unfinished state.

It doesn't have to be an all-rounder. A reasonable continuation of OMSI would have been completely sufficient. But they probably wanted more and failed miserably.

 

I refunded on Tram Sim Vienna, God awful controls that involve weird key controls and no interacting with the dashboard.

 

I tried Tram Sim console edition for the first time a week or so ago and found it wasn't very beginner friendly. The tutorial for the Vienna tram does the bare minimum, and after letting a wheelchair passenger on I couldn't figure out how to close the doors during a regular service. It doesn't help that it forces you to use an immersion breaking menu to access most functions. You can interact with the dashboard like in TSW, but none of the buttons are labelled so you have no idea what any of them do. The Munich tutorial was even worse. It was the first time in any game I've played where I got stuck on the tutorial- nothing was happening despite me following the instructions to the letter.

I was gonna say that if this new game is more beginner friendly I might pick it up, but if it's set in a fictional city I won't bother. Tram Sim was already a hard sell being set in two countries I've never been to, let alone cities.

 

I had to use YouTube for videos on Tramsim, once I got the hang of it I find it enjoyable but stuff like speed limits, how to let wheelchair passengers onboard etc would be helpful.

I'd been playing it for a couple of weeks before I even found out you could leave the cab and walk the streets. Why wasn't that on the tutorial.

 

That's absolutely vital information that I was perplexed wasn't covered.

Also I genuinely had no idea you could leave the tram until I read your post. That just goes to show how unintuitive it is.

 

The only reason I found out was watching a video and the person who recorded it just got up and walked out the tram. To say I was shocked that wasn't told is an understatement