Today i will be suggesting the c2c Route from London Fenchurch Street and London Liverpool Street- Shoeburyness Via The Basildon-Ockendon-Rainham Branch Which is also known as the London, Tilbury and Southend line I would also Think that this would be cool because its a nice commuter Route and it is also my Local Line so it would be Great to come along to Train Sim World Whole Map: Locos: Class 357/2: Class 720/6: (As a DLC When it enters Service) Training (In Training Center) Class 357 Introduction Class 720 Introduction Scenarios: Class 357 London Divert: Operate a Class 357 From Grays to London liv street as another 357 Had a MCB Failure whilst Departing Limehouse Hello!, You shift today is to take a this service to London Fenchurch street but due to a Electricity Failure with another train you will be going to Liverpool Street Via the Rainahm Line Full Run: Take a class 357 on a full run from Shoeburyness- London Fenchurch Street welcome to Shoeburyness, get in the cab and set up and prepare for departure on a full length route to London Fenchurch street Via the Basildon Line Holiday Games: Take a 357 from southend central to London fencurch street but you will be going through the Ockendon line Welcome to southend! its holiday season and you have been asked to take this service to fenchurch street through the Ockendon line Pitsea Turnbacks Take a 357 from liv street to Pitsea Via Ockendon and the return Journey Via Rainham Welcome! You starting a Liv street to run down to pitsea via Ockendon, once you get there, you will change ends and go back to liv street Via Rainham Quick Commuting Take a 357 From Grays to London Fenchurch street via rainham hello! you shift is to drive from here to fenchurch street via rainham But beware the will be traffic from Rainham onwards Depot Fun Head to the Depot to get a 357 and head to Barking, Where you will change ends to Go to London Liverpool Street in a 12 car service Welcome to East Ham Depot! Head to the Indicated 12 car 357 and set up the cab, where you will perform shunting operations either on the map or on foot, and then you will run as an ECS to barking, where you will change cabs and go to London Liverpool Street as a passenger Train Service , calling only at Stratford Class 720 Scenarios: Aventra Runs Take a 720 from London Fenchurch st-Shoeburyness Via Basildon Aventra's in The Capitals Take a class 720 From London Liverpool Street- Shoeburyness Via Ockendon Depot Services Take a 720 from the depot to london Fenchurch street and run back down to Southend Central Via Rainham i Really Hope this gets Considered and added into tsw
Great write-up and suggestion! I've got the Video125 Driver's View video of this route and it's a great ride with interesting operations. I wouldn't mind running around in a 357 either.
Can I say, what a suggestion, I would love c2c in game with the aforementioned stock, makes the network more varied, I see a well too familiar layout in there too (well Page 1 anyway, minus the route map) but yeah, great suggestion
Yes, yes, yes. It's a brilliant idea for TSW3. The extensive use of 66's on freight on the Tilbury loop would add an extra dimension. DTG could even get away with only creating one new unit (357s) and add 387s for now. Or even have the S-stock for the overground section of the adjacent District Line. My preference would be for an early 2000's version though, the difference in performance between 312s and 357s would, in my opinion, make it a very interesting route. Or at least have a 2000's version with the 312 later on. Top of my TSW3 and TSC route wishlist, it's baffling why DTG have only ever released one Essex route when their neighbouting home county of Kent gets so many releases on both platforms.
I'd like to see this. Maybe adding in the Romford - Upminster Line with Class 710 as well as S7 stock for District Line/H&C line services between Bromley-By-Bow and Barking/Upminster, to make this a very busy route. You could even add the branch to barking riverside for further Overground services
Other rolling stock options; Class 302 1962-1998 Class 305 1988-1992 Class 308 1962-1994 Class 310 1990-2002 Class 312 1991-2003 Class 317 1996-2002 Class 357 2000- Class 387 2016-2020 Class 720 Possibly from 2023
Oh yes the 387, but that got withdrawn, and this has to be realistic, but we can take it on scenario planner tho
They were only ever a temporary measure to increase capacity until the Aventras arrived. Built as "stock" units, for no particular line but in anticipation that they would be needed. While with C2C they were on relatively low fixed mileage contracts which is why they only ever ran on specific peak hour diagrams. They went to Great Western, a few came back briefly but now all the ex-C2C 387/3s can be found at Great Northern running out of Kings Cross.
Brilliant suggestion mate and this would be a great route to see in game, my preference would be to have it set in the late 90s as that was the last time I traversed the route so would bring back a few good memories.
Bring it on and why not merge it with a route that runs from London Liverpool Street to upminster via Romford or even better the Great Eastern Main Line London Liverpool Street to Ipswich to get East London Network comprised of GEML and C2C.
I doubt they'd peg-on Liverpool Street to Upminster via Romford as that's not a through service that exists. Barking to Liverpool Street via Stratford maybe as lots of C2C services run into the GEML terminus. Great Eastern in any post-steam era would make me happy but early nineties with 309/312/315/321s would be my favourite. Likewise C2C's transition period from slammers to new trains would be my favourite with 312/317/357s.
Well said and speaking of C2C merged with GEML can there be Electric freight trains the Classes 86 & 90 seen on GEML towards Tilbury or not?
As someone who used to stand at Ripple Road level crossing in the late 70's watching 37's roar past with tanks or 47s with a trainload of new Ford Cortinas, there would be a lot of potential with just legacy TSW locos too. A seventies version of the LTS would be very blue but the idea of driving the best London Underground trains ever, the CO/CP stock from Upminster to Whitechapel is mouth watering. Never understood how its tube equivalent the charming little TS 1938 stock get top billing in train simulators.
Great suggestion. It's so disappointing that after over 20 years of train simming my favourite line has never got a look in whilst other lines are created multiple times. The LTSis a great line and much overlooked with scenery from city, town, countryside and seaside. Mainline expresses, single and double track branch lines along with multiple industry for freight workings. Class 357 is a decent electrostar and world be better to drive in sim due to large windows. However having a slamdoor class 312 to show the transition as the new trains came in would be awesome. Please dtg have this on your list to consider
If DTG were based 10 miles north across the Thames Estuary then perhaps we would have had several iterations of both routes to Southend, like we have with the routes that include Chatham. It's only a matter of time before DTG announce Victoria to Chatham in TSW3 and yet more peering out of the postage stamp windscreens on the Southern Region Electrostars. It's a big shame but in TSC it's been a chicken and egg situation. No rolling stock for the route, so no route which is stopping developers making the rolling stock for the route, so no route. It's something only DTG can resolve in my opinion, by making both. Totally agree with the 312/357 transition, it would also include the transition from 37s and 47s to 66s on the numerous freight workings along the line.
Yeah you are right. I guess it's just not possible to have every route but such a shame when it's one you really want and then you seem others redone again and again. Maybe one day.
I would love to see the c2c line in TSW, partly because it's my regular train line, but also because it feels like an ideal route - self-contained over about a 40-mile length, with a variety of landscape from the City of London (Fenchurch Street being just a 4-platform London terminus!) through East London, the Essex countryside and then beside the sea through Southend. Also there's the stretch from Upminster to just past West Ham that runs parallel to the District/Circle/Hammersmith & City lines, which adds scope for future layering should some or all of those Tube lines ever be created in TSW. I'd suggest though that it wouldn't be worth creating the major hubs of Stratford and Liverpool Street for just the limited services that c2c runs through there - more realistic would be just the Fenchurch Street services, and then if a future Greater Anglia route add-on came to pass that layering could be added then.
Not gonna lie this I’m actually agreeing with the suggestion as the route is quite interesting I’ve went on the C2C one from West Ham to Fenchurch street and it was quite nice I think this should come to TSW 4. If this does get accepted for TSW 4 and if I buy the dlc I will keep driving to Shoeburyness and Southend in the game and possibly use other trains on it with Scenario planner
Whilst now vastly improved under c2c the line has always been a bit of a Cinderella line particularly in the 80s and 90s where it was run into the ground and also known as ‘The misery line’ It was so unloved that at one point it was proposed that the whole line be lifted and converted into a guided busway. Thankfully this threat was removed by BR announcing replacement of the lines 1950s signalling. it’s now the Cinderella line of Train sims. Hopefully DTG or maybe JT will consider it. I live on the line (not literally) so would be happy to help with reference material.
I'm sure whoever put that number on Wikipedia added up the different branch line lengths, which no service would ever actually run. The official length I've seen quoted for the line is 39 miles 40 chains, which is the 'main line' distance. Via the Tilbury loop is longer by about 6 miles - Pitsea is 26 miles 42 chains from Fenchurch Street via the main line, via the loop it's 32 miles 37 chains.
This is becoming more and more perfect to add as they apparently are making GOBLIN, so you got some bits layed out, even more helpful with SEHS and it could make some services such as Tilbury / Ripple Lane - Barking
I think this should be a serious contender. It goes through renowned London stations and would be less complicated to build compared to the London Underground
I Know but maybe either he meant the gobline line or that hes just seeing something completly different
