Dtg Are We Waiting For Tsw5

Trainsim.cz aka Muff (I think) released an Formation Editor unlocker at the time TSW 4 got released, and I looked at the Formation Editor if anything progressed or got changed every update, and well, it's in the same state as it was when TSW 4 first released. Yes I know it's WIP but already at release the Formation Editor seemed very pre-alpha as nothing is really working there. Though I expected some progress or at least some changes to it, now it seems dead to me. Though, if you think optimistically about it, then it seems that DTG just separated the Formation Editor development progress from the upstream (release/stable) code. But I don't know lol

 

Yes, it's ridiculous that free roam and the US locomotives have not been fixed! Free roam and US freight content is the main reason that I purchased TSW4.

I have purchased DLC for Trainz22 and playing it a lot since the lack of US freight content, working free roam, and editor in TSW4 and have been very happy with it. I even purchased a few TSC DLC items in the Steam Christmas sale being as TSW4 does not have any replay value to me anymore. Like others have said, there are a few other sims on the market that have a lot of potential such as SimRail especially when Searchlight Simulations debuts their route and locomotive.

Let's hope DTG can fix these issues with TSW4!

 

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They should also update the upper level of Grand Central Terminal since they already have part of the grand central made in game from one of the photo I saw.

 

I been playing TSW 4 since came out this fall..i have had some great fun playing it over all i Love the free roam for what does work ..but very dissappointed that a lot of my favorie US locos dont work well or at all cant spawn creators club freight cars there are a lot of very well done cars and engine paint schemes i also would like and use livery designer a lot if i could spawn my created and others creation s on console i have tried and cant get any livery s to post on creators club always get to last steps and tells me some excuse cant post ..my console cant share photos either have to use twitter or somthing iim not into that why can i not just post through DTG site and account with what photos ive uploaded to it while playing TSW 4 should be more simplified to do

 

to add more to my post... I also enjoy photo mode i like to stage scenes like a company photrapher could place train where you want and do photo shoot as well i pause my game a lot when operating. A train if i vision a poss photo op. Another thing is too many people compare PC and console i m console only ppl talk about mods for PC thats not a thing for console owners maybe DTG should separate teams have deticated PC team and a team that focused for console s plus some of these routes have too much traffic for systems to handle.. Maybe that why NYT is bogged down ppl insist on full passenger and freight but too many services a more lighter freight and passenger route be better

 

I'm sorry to report that it's been confirmed on Discord by a developer that steam physics development pretty much ceased as of Peak Forest and hasn't been improved since - I'd probably class it as abandoned at this point. The dev (who I believe was previously working on it) seems to think it's a lost cause. There's no interest in following it up at DTG internally because Peak Forest sold so poorly.

(Flying Scotsman uses the same broken underlying physics model as the 4F, in case anyone was wondering)

To be honest, I don't just have concern around steam, but indeed around everything - the pace of first-party releases is so slow compared to TSW3 you have to wonder what is going on at DTG. We've had about 20 miles of German single-track branchline released and that's our lot since TSW4 released, and the only thing likely to release soon is another short UK route with a single loco.

What's going on up there guys? There's nothing to inspire us right now, it seems like the DTG engine is cold for the first time in years. I'm genuinely quite worried.

 

They may surprise us and be working to fix the many reported bugs.

 

That seems like a lot of effort. Their motto seems to be the MOST money for the LEAST effort.

 

also the most boring route in TSW is the kassel route that came with TSW3 just 90 miles of non stop hual it along at 180 plus miles in a ICE 2 bridges and long dark tunnels it the only route i deleted cause dont care to play it ...guess people expect to be able to run a stack train over cajon at 100 mph not possible in real world

 

LOL yes the Kassel route that runs so fast that the scenery loads in after you've already passed it

 

Agreed but they just wont give it to you, and how has this already have a page 2

 

It got boring for me, I only downloaded it so i could use the trains that were in other routes that would have taken up alot of money for

 

And when you see the landscape, the FPS shakes like a plague.

All in all, it can be said that DTG's troubleshooting has pretty much come to a standstill. And if so, there are minimal, almost insignificant changes, but they don't fix the real problems in the core (or individual DLC). I don't think much will happen in this direction.

The last DLC from DTG was a complete failure for me, simply produced of inferior quality. I'm really a bit disappointed with the TSW at the moment, even though I like the freeroam, everything just feels so bland.

 

also, go and report to dovetail, support

 

DTG are lazy and provide their customers with the bare minimum. Their actions are catching up to them.

 

Whist steam may not interest me, perhaps the poor physics is part of the reason it sold poorly. Heck, if a route came out that had poor physics, I would 100% not buy it so peak forest not selling well doesn't really suprise me

 

Cuz its likely after what happened in august

 

What would be a Massive disaster is that they say if the goblin line was never going to happen that they just wanted to see dtg's reactions

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seen too posts about that lack of full safety systems like PTC etc the high tech stuff too complicated in real life let alone try to put in game ..that stuff a hassle at times on real operation s hear stuff on my scanner all the time PTC overides puts train into supression or emergency ..one time i was told the otto that a local RR has was trwating the OCS like it was a MOW train the engineer said to dispatch no this a passenger train the CEO of the co on board they need to take that junk and scrap it ...ive run trains in TSW without safety systems on and have got gold medals ..they rely too much on technology. Now making peoples brains mush ..i kow ppl that cant drive to places they go a lot ..i dont use GPS i use the GPScalled a brain read map can get myself where need to go i once told someone. Dont ever buy me a GPS it will be directed out the window onto the highway

 

Could always make a route pre PTC era, fixes that problem real easily (Though it doesn't bode well for modern commuters like Metrolink)

 

There's literally no evidence to suggest such a thing.

TSW4 releasing after TSW3 isn't evidence, as it has the only time to date a new TSW title was released a year after the previous one.

 

I'l be honest i only downloaded it so that i can actually drive the trains that was locked in other routes that would have costed alot of money

 

But why would they when tsw3 only came out just a year ago, Tsw3 was made a year after tsw2 wasnt it?

 

TSW2 was released in 2021.

TSW3 was released in 2023.

 

Ok?
Your point is-

 

Interesting. I suspected as much. I will likely move on to something else, Century of Steam is the only thing that looks like a possibility so far, as long as it has a single player mode. TSC is simply too old. There is a relatively unexplored gap in the market for an up-to-date steam locomotive/railroad simulation, so it'll be interesting to see if any other indie developers want to take on this niche.

Being reliant on producing real world routes makes creating historical content very difficult, time consuming, and impractical. Trying to re-create exact trackwork and infrastructure to anywhere from several decades to nearly a century ago is a monumental task. This is why I've always thought something like Diesel Railcar Simulator (1960s UK Diesel era) had the best approach to historical content - real locomotives and rolling stock on a fictional route that imitates the conditions of a real route. This leaves more development time to create models and perfect the physics.

 

It doesn't prove TSW is a yearly release.

 

ok

 

meant i know people that cant go anywhere with out having to use their GPS

 

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a maybe it time for more US older era routes like 1970s 80s 90s before the high tech stuff real classic s like sd45s GE u boats C and Bseries GE s sd60s etc classic road names etc

 

Only issue is Per Matt is very hard to get recordings for older equipment, since even if it's restored in a museum somewhere, it's hard to get audio recordings of it at track speed.

So we are pretty much stuck with default EMDs sounds for the most part. On top of the poor sales of Clinchfield kind of putting the brakes on retro US content for the moment.

 

Somehow I'm not surprised at all. Good ol' DTG move right there lad.

 

This again is a typical "DTG logic" its not selling well so we wont spend any further time into development...

Ever thought about the half arsed state this so called "steam iteration" is the cause of all bad sales?
Tsc gives currently a better experience. Tsw has no real steam simulation, no water consumption and no firebox simulation. But it got released un a really unchallenging way. Neither steam fans are happy nor is it an attraction for npn steam fans which search for a challenge.

But "steam sold so poor" now again is it the customers fault?? DTG,Stop point with the finger into the direction of your loyal paying customers for your crappy business cases.

 

Don't be naive, last couple of time when DTG been silenced for long and promised to evaluate and trying to fix every broken thing on TSW, they announced the new version of TSW instead. This happened in TSW2 > TSW3 and TSW3 > TSW4.

 

I'm not stupid.

But what if they do start fixing bugs? False hope? Maybe. But I'm trying to be optimistic.

There's been enough anger on these forums just within the past few months that it wouldn't be surprising if they actually listened.

 

TBH it would be surprising, a pleasant surprise, but still surprising. I'm all for a pleasant surprise, like the WSR rework for example or the quality of the Blackpool route. However. Well, however neither of those were official DTG projects, I think we can see the common issue. There are several forum threads, this one, the mega 60 pager, the new years resolution one, they all have a fairly common theme. There is very little optimism left in the people on this forum, maybe the playerbase in general about DTG and their management of the core of TSW plus their own DLC. Things seem to be on the slide and people are quite pessemistic about the future of TSW. It really needs a positive piece of news right now.

 

The same was being said about TSW4, yet look how it released just one year after TSW3.

 

That's the only time it has happened.

 

I mean look at the roadmap at when TSW 4 got released versus the December roadmap now. Literally half of the stuff disappeared (aside from the content that WAS released) or have been delayed. Just look at the differences in the Roadmaps for the Editor - Editor V2 and V3 was in the roadmap at release, then it became just "Editor Improvements" and now there is only ONE entry in the roadmap for the Editor in the 3+ months category.

 

Here's some food for thought.

RailWorks, the company which released the original Train Sim Classic (post Microsoft / Kuju) and precursor to Dovetail Games was set up in June 2009 with Train Sim World being announced in 2016 and released in 2017. So 7 years to announcement of a new game and 8 to release. It shouldn't escape your attention that 2017-2024 is 7 years.

Again, would anyone wish to put money on there not only being a new game, but an actual successor to the TSW franchise, already in development? Train Simulator 5 for UE5 in 2025? Has a certain ring to it does it not?

I'd certainly be open to it because far from being concerned about DTGs future existence, I am concerned that TSW4 is becoming such a mess of spaghetti that to unravel it all is going to prove nearly impossible,.

 

DTG is currently looking for employees with experience in UE5. Says their current LinkedIn job offers.

 

That's not what I'm talking about.

 

They use some UE5 elements, that's why.

 

Exactly

 

But that was the ONLY TIME.

 

Moving to UE5, requiring a rebuild of the game, would alienate everybody though.

DTG are not that stupid, surely.

 

you metioned it b4 bro

 

Well rebuild the game would be actually a chance to fix that broken and awfull audio we endure on Xbox for years meanwhile, and to eventually move on and drop gen8 restrictions

 

And I'll keep saying it until people stop saying TSW5 will come next year.

 

Actually TSW4 had less sales than TSW3 for the duration TSW4 has been out