So it looks like TSW3 is no longer delisted, and is back on sale on multiple platforms. Do we know the reasoning for this?
Probably this… Wouldn’t be surprised if TSW2 and Founders return for the same reason. I would advise caution in purchasing it’s still a game not open for updates as far as I’m updated on.
i suppose if they are cheap its good to grab them for the routes as they will port over to TSW 4 so in that sense it is good
strange it’s not as though they drive the customers away by releasing badly bugged content before fixing it in the previously released content… this whole side of the gaming industry needs legal reform and one seriously not in the favour of this, they’ve brung it on themselves if it runs counter to them. They can start by easing the conditions for refund to an unlimited time after purchase, that will ruin the managements morning.
This would ruin game development if everyone could just refund everything as soon as they get bored. Subscription models where you just rent the software would be the result. There'll always be black sheep in the business. But I'm pretty sure if you read the EULA, it'll say software is provided to you "as is". Everything else is up to the developers' interest in getting a growing customer base. You can always wait before purchase, watch YT reviews and then decide if you like it. Preordering is and was never a good idea concerning DTG products, because once a product has been sold sufficiently the need to fix bugs lessens. Of course if the game refuses to run at all or constantly crashes, you can get a refund most of the time even if two hours have expired on Steam.
probably but, sounds more like a them problem than a customers, rather than what is the other way round currently, besides there would still need to be a valid reason for refund, things can get eased eventually but I see no reason to favour them for how long they have abused the system, fairness is to reverse it. YT will never be able to show all the bugs you come across, could be edited or just not seen on that particular video.
Of course. But still you have two hours - and most bugs are surfacing very quickly. A: Correct way - Refund B: Questionable way - keep the DLC and "hope" for fixes It's still up to the customer to support bad developers or not. But I think most TSW players are constantly hungry for new content, and are of type B. DTG know that.
And the bugs that come later ? Passengers or Z-Fighting to name 2 never existed at release for many routes. You can’t say the 2 hours is in any way appropriate for that. can’t really blame the customers for being duped, especially when their isn’t that much information to suggest they are being duped, it’s not even easy to find a lot of Series X gameplay on YouTube for one example never mind trying to look at something specific.
I'm with you here. I was disgusted about them breaking RRO for example. But they reverted the catenary poles for TSW3. Now they could argue I had bought this route for TSW3 and it still works, and I am still able to play TSW3. The only real consequence would be for yourself to draw the line and not buy anything again from a developer that has not lived up to your expectations. That's why I'm playing a wide range of train simulations. You will never have everything you want in a single game. TSW has the most beautiful loco models, but not necessarily the most detailed routes. Timetable is overrated imho, as it's just a couple of unique services duplicated and time-shifted. Wears out quickly, and I prefer good TSC scenarios which tell a story. TSC has the widest choice of content and beautifully detailed routes, and many loco models are on par with TSW (3D development hasn't evolved in all those years, only performance and shaders). For example the TSC AP Class 158's cab looks much better than TSW's with its low res textures. SimRail has the best multiplayer experience for the feel of really being there and interacting with real dispatchers and fellow players. I don't think it needs to further develop SP, as we have enough of SP train sims imho. Run8 is the only serious US freight sim and never disappoints. Zusi3 may have outdated graphics, but the gameplay is highly satisfying and realistic. Needs much knowledge though. Not for kids So with TSW, I've found I've got enough content already, and will probably only open my wallet again when JT release a new route.
RRO another great example of this issue, nothing could have made them fix that, it could have still been broken now and in 10 years time etc, and the only thing you could have done is have had 2 hours a long time ago and a valid reason, which doesn’t include overhead wires issues. by that point your in bad position, and the seller is better off. The whole fiasco definitely needs changing, that would likely need to come from the stores but I think it’s working in their favour as much as a bad seller currently… Nothing comparable on console for myself if I was to be interested in another train sim tbh. Don’t think I’m up for the financial investment that would be neither tbh. i think what annoys me most about it is that it’s not asking for something extra, it’s just a simple expectation of what’s they’re to be working as intended. edit: wanted to make it a bit clearer that it’s certainly not unique to DTG though, but definitely a games industry issue, similar has probably been going on for a long time.
Indeed, but DTG has taught us many times to not expect anything. I just had a run on the BR103 on LFR, seeing the PZB indicators are not working as they should. Then I thought, DTG are in the train sim business for more than 13 years now - and something like PZB still doesn't work right. They should be experts, but they're not. So, considering myself to be a simmer, this is just not a product aimed at me. TSW wants to attract young kids as well as the casual player with quickly developed DLC sold in masses desirably. And the fact they used UE has become a problem. The editor uses much more of your time for achieving the same result as in other sim's editors which are tailor made. And the "AddOn" manager that slows down loading times drastically is nothing more than a firewall, because DTG are now concerned with original content being recooked and distributed in paks. That's why there's issues with mods. The code checks each pak now and allows or disallows modifications selectively it seems. An RVV (View data like cameras, interactive switches, lights etc.) file is considered harmless, as it still needs the original model data for example. Until they have found a way to prevent redistribution of Intellectual Property via the PC Editor, the cooking function will not be implemented. Thou shalt not recook DTG content! A mess if you ask me, and the reason they originally didn't want to ship it. That's my theory.
Yes they are lol like fr true im sure thats what they always do. I swr yep yeah, better just to get tsw4 now cant agree more
Folup1372#8582 do you just reply for the sake of it. You reply "yep" "cant agree more" you prob dont even know what you are agreeing to its just for you to comment to get the post count up.
you make excellent points although one thing you are missing that is REALLY important here is it is only stream who will do a refund if you buy on PS Store or XBox store you do not get any entitlement to a refund. And console play a VERY LARGE part of playerbase on TSW
That's why I've chosen Steam and PC. I see people still have to uninstall DLC on consoles for stuff to appear... And on Steam, the refund window is de facto prolonged if DLC have an overwhelmingly negative rating. (But there's always the white knights, recommending a broken loco if only the horn sounds good . Yeah, pay 20 bucks for a sound sample.)
The refund thing on consoles is something I can't fault DTG on, although given TSW was developed specifically for console players to have a slice, their poor quality DLCs don't bode well.
I am not a troll i just want to be- oh never mind you guys just dont understand , its like i should not even be on the forums anymore of u guys will keep on complaining
it’s all fine, reports will be dealt with if theirs a breach of the rules, if there’s no rules broken nothing will come of it. Members of the forum tend to just use either the like or helpful button whichever is appropriate when expressing a simple agreement, reply is just more for developing of the topic
XBox have offered easy refunds as far back as I remember, at least since 2010 but that's just the first time I put in a request. Generally no questions asked, except in notably serious circumstances. They don't even have an arbitrary playtime limit like Steam does, I've refunded a game after a YEAR, because an update to a live service title rendered it unplayable. That was the one and only time I needed to speak to someone from Customer Service to get the refund authorised, by explaining the situation. I think people don't tend to know about it as much because you do it via the microsoft account web dashboard, it's not integrated into the store frontend on the console itself, but can be done via the console's web browser if you don't have access to a computer. I assume they will flag a refund if it seems like you are abusing the system, but I have never had one refused, and usually put one in every couple of months because I download a game only to find it has issues which cause me migraines for example. I literally just did it the other day for Star Trek Resurgence, which is a MESS on consoles and I am going to wait for the steam launch of. They authorised the refund in a couple of minutes.
I am i just wanting to know more so that it can get resolved, Because i actually didnt known if that was trolling or not
Even though my main platform is PS5. It was too tempting not to picking up the Xbox version for £5.99. I think the PS5 version runs better than the Series X version imo. Nice to have it on the Series X though incase the missus is using my PS5, and I’m in dire need of some TSW.
Yeah it’s because of Sony’s silly refund policy. If you download and install the game onto your system then you’re not eligible for a refund. Though I have done this a couple of times before and managed to wing it and get my refund, a few other times I haven’t. It depends on the chat representative you’re chatting with I guess.
He don’t this is the problem. Unfortunately he is banned in countless discord servers for the same reason. You try and help him he then just starts arguing with you in the end I gave up with him. Some people just never accept they do wrong and blame everyone else. Shame really
DTG putting tsw3 on sale is obviously a financial decision. Although I wasn't expecting tsw 2 to go back on sale
Ok number 1 do, sometimes in the past I did but you guys just forgot those times, number 2 for your info I am currently banned from 3 community servers, so that's not countless and 3 OF THOSE BANS ARE FOR COMPLETELY DIFFERENT REASONS, and number 3 I was never trying to arguing with you guys, if u think I'm trying to argue with you that's on you, I'm just here to have a friendly discussion with you all about tsw not to argue, This is why I never feel like interacting with people on community servers and you guys don't know how painful it feels at all
And you dont know how painful it is for us when we have alerts showing alot of replies to threads to find it is all from you with Yes Agreed No single worded pointless answers just to boost your post count up Perfect example been this post half an hour ago https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/dtg.77620/#post-776485
That was not pointless actually, i was saying that in reaction to what jack said That shouldnt be painful it should just be annoying and pain is very signifiacnt compared to annoyance you know wait so So many alerts now brings pain to everyone is it? wow, i have no words and plus, im very sure that isolating yourself and feeling sad from community servers all cos of people complaining about you requries much more addressing compared to a massive amount of alerts right, if you think otherwise then i have absolutley No words And how is that a problem, its ignorable you know? im not boosting it for you
I have had several alerts from you tonight where you've quoted me. The majority of those were one word answers, where you could have liked the post instead.
Quoting me with one word answers just clutters my inbox. At least when I look at an alert you've liked my post it doesn't waste my time. Also, don't write in all caps, it's poor Internet etiquette and is classed as shouting.
i am reporting him as well his attitude here is disgusting. https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/tsw3-back-on-sale.77614/#post-776501 https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/tsw3-back-on-sale.77614/#post-776515 This is why he is banned discord servers.
I do agree about the duplication a bit, but that pretty much is realism, timetable is definitely an essential part of TSW, definitely the part what offers the main gameplay, I think it would be insane to do away with it and a beyond terrible mistake for the franchise if it went. timetables are open and scenarios are restricted in my view, both have good points but it would be a beyond bad mistake to have just one.
i must admit i do enjoy the timetable mode. I like to start at the start of a duty ie bring a train into service from depot then load up the next trip get to the end then start the next trip and carry on like that until the train stables. Then i start another one
