Wsr Update

sometime this coming week. DTG are livestreaming the update on Feb 1st 2024

 

they added some 33 hauled tours on SEHS about a year or so ago

 

There was mention of the onboard sounds of the train passing under bridges behind added. I'm guessing this only applies to the diseaseils. That would be a good effect for steam too.

It's good these upgrades are free.

If similar upgrades were applied to the TVL, PF or SOS, I would pay for them.

 

Yes I tried the part 1 of that 33 railtour on SEHS, it seemed buggy on PS4, and I got two blue screens.

 

oof.. I got bored of the 33 tours and I'm on xbox. I have no idea if I'm Gen8 or 9

 

The Xbox series consoles are Gen 9

 

Not to derail this thread too much but a big yes from me.

I'd love a route update for NTP and TVL. I'd happily pay for it.

 

My xbox was a christmas present back in 2016. It'll be Gen 8 then

 

I think every TSW & TSW2 route (mainly GWE, NTP & TVL) needs to be brought to TSW4 standard in the same way WSR is being updated

 

I'd love TVL brought up to standard.

 

If they did that then also bring the 142 to TVL, then that would be super. Even if GWE, NTP & TVL aren't brought up to TSW4 standard, I would at least like to see the the timetables be overhauled.

 

This applies to the WSR and other routes. Sometimes when the camera view is external, there is a weird sound effect, it can happen when near or at a distance from the train, it sounds like a Doppler effect, that has a slight flanger effect added. The flanger effect is used in music production, but not sure why it sounds like it's been used in a train sim.
This sometimes happens when the train is stationary, or the camera pacing alongside.
Not sure if anyone else has noticed this? Maybe it's a byproduct of compression in the quality of the sounds.

 

Technically yes, but the meagre 10GB of RAM on the Series S downgrades it to gen 8.5 at best. Even the One X mid-gen (8) refresh had 12GB.

 

(Using running sounds as an example), it happens if 2 bogies randomly select the same running sound file, these can sometimes be ever so slightly delayed from one-another depending on when they were activated, which is what's causing that phasing effect you described. There's quite a simple solution for this that is dead-easy to do in middleware like FMOD & Wwise. But slightly harder in base Unreal Engine with the way that our soundcues are controlled. It is something I'd love to look into though

 

Same thing in TSC, especially when running US multiple units. The slightly shifted engine sounds create the phaser effect, when switching from external to cab camera, until the second engine sound fades out.

 

Thanks for your explanation Rhys

What I notice in game is more of a towards and away/up down effect, akin to a flanger.

The phaser sound I would say is more of a harmonic thing,
e.g. a twin engined aircraft sound going in and out of phase.

I hope it's ok to link this video as an example of the sound, it's noticeable when the camera changes from in-cab to external at 4.41-4.52

 

Today Update DTG Alex ?

 

Although it does sound more like a flanger pedal effect it is still caused by a slight phase difference, so it is a phasing effect but not like a phaser guitar pedal. It’s the same thing being discussed. There is no deliberate modulation like with either of the guitar effects as it is purely a consequence of two identical sounds playing together and the slight difference between their origin points.

 

Ahh that's a shame.

 

soooo Tomorrow then? would makes sense as tht is when the DTG livestream is

 

Yes I was using that flanger effect as an example , as it reminded me of that sound. I see what you mean though.

 

Big thank you to DTG Liam for all his hard work on WSR. Cannot wait to see the results and improvements.

Just wish someone would improve WCL and make St. Ives look right.

 

Probably need to pretty much restart this route for that to happen..

 

Is it online?

 

There’s a post on facebook with a broken link to a missing article about this.

 

https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/west-somerset-railway-remastered-out-now.78280/

 

The article mentions that no Class 101 has set foot on WSR. One was resident for a short time, here it is in Dunster Yard in 2009.

 

Nice shot! Judging by the 'destination' it looks like they acquired it from the old RTC's stock

 

There’s one standing at Minehead, it would’ve been great to drive it there:

 

I have to admit that it does look really nice on XSX. Trackside foliage draw distances seem to have been improved, mid distance scenery is very well detailed and the extra trains makes a huge difference to overall variety.
The only real issues I came across were the inconsistent framerates (25fps-55fps) and for some peculiar reason my LB was unresponsive in the pause menu (I have to pause and unpause multiple times to get it to work).
Also, top marks to DTG for not stealth increasing the price - it remains at a very fair £19.99.

The only thing that really confuses me though is that if DTG can introduce this level of care and passion for free (or rather, as a free update) then why on earth can't they do it for a new £29.99 addon? After all, with WSR they've clearly shown that they have the capabilities to do so!

 

Because this update was a few devs passion project, that they appear to have worked on in their own time. They weren't operating to the normal rushed deadline. I agree that this should be the standard for all routes, and shows what is actually possible with TSW if the devs are actually given sufficient time.

 

I guess becuse this update was done in spare time rather than an actual proper project the whole team is working on, but that’s no excuse of course.

 

On the mainline section at Norton Fitzwarren, at around 10:14am in February, a NMT yellow liveried HST went past heading towards Taunton station on the new update (4-5 coaches).

Those little things that mean alot...

(It may be from Creators Club instead sorry!)

 

Yeah, I get that....but if this is, for example, the work of 1-2 devs over a period of 120 days then surely an entire team can easily replicate equal levels of care and attention within the required time of a paid for route.

 

You would think that but I think the amount of time set for each release even the smaller routes like Maintalbahn is too small, or maybe they’re overestimating how much they can get done for each slot

 

PSA…

If anyone has Aran’s ToDv3 mods installed you must remove the one for the old version of WSR otherwise weird things happen. Ask me how I know. Edited to add, it’s also worth removing the WSR element of the VegetationEP as it isn’t required after the update.

The update is fantastic. Kudos to Liam (and whoever else was involved) on a first rate update.

 

Yeah, fair comment.
The one thing that's always stuck in my mind though is that during the preview stream of Tharandter Rampe the issue of quality was brought up in the comments and Adam quite openly stated; "we took our time with this one".
The route was not rushed or delayed, was reasonably long, has a solid timetable....and we can only assume was developed by a smaller (TSW2) team. Make what you will of that!

 

That’s a bit harsh on DTG. They present much better routes than Rivet do.!!!

 

I would use to agree with this, but despite being a bit short, Berninaline is a much, much higher quality route than Maintalbahn for example.

 

+++Compatibility update+++

I've updated the CabCam mod to be compatible with the ToDv4-patched WSR Classes 33, 47 and 52. Naturally, the old mod will not work with these now.

Should be approved soon.

Thanks to DTG Liam and team, much appreciated

 

Erm, I wasn't being harsh at all. WSR is a fantastic update and all I would really like is for DTG to replicate this level of quality in all their releases. A huge ask? Yes. An impossible ask? Absolutely not.

Anyhows, I'll stop before this gets out of hand because this thread deserves an awful lot of positivity...and DTG don't get much of that on these forums.

 

Really appreciate this update. I recognise that often these things only come about from a labour of love rather than assigning a team as a business decision, but you shouldn't underestimate just how much benefit this kind of thing brings the game and the community.

 

So far I've done a 150 shuttle service, an 09 Stock movement and I'm now driving a Freight service to Bishops Lydeard and I am loving it. So much hard work has gone into this passion project and it's glorious. Thank you so much.

 

Agree Berninalinie is a better offering this time by Rivet, but there are still errors in their route design. Have a cabride on Maintalbahn, DTG did a reasonable job.

 

Noticed the cut out speed signs are much improved, I can actually see them from the cab now. Hopefully DTG will improve the reflective speed signs for all upcoming routes.

 

I'd disagree to be honest, the scenery on Maintalbahn is some of the worst released since TSW2 days. Lots of clipping issues, floating objects, water splines not lined up properly, issues with tree shadows. Feels extremely rushed to meet a deadline.
You compare that with the scenery of Blackpool Branches, Berninaline, Voralberg and the new WSR overhaul it's night and day.

 

u clear must be playing on console or a cheep pc because the route has no issues at all but that is your choice not to like it just wanted to say that its not as bad as some

 

It ain't as bad as WCL, a line l have traveled on for 70 years and Rivet’s version is disgraceful. Get yourself a new PC as Maintalbahn representation is very good.

 

Erm, horrible looking scenery isn't connected to consoles or cheap PCs.