Us Content Early Speculation Thread.

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by Blacknred81, Sep 15, 2023.

  1. Disintegration7

    Disintegration7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2018
    Messages:
    2,338
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    Why is it any more ridiculous than any other? I don't think anyone expected a WSR remaster yet here we are.

    I thought it was one of the best TSW routes before they botched its conversion to the new version.

    I'd definitely be interested in an updated/remastered/extended PC. Also interesting that it's currently a freebie offer on Steam- a wider installation base would also make selling more DLC for it more viable.
     
    • Helpful Helpful x 1
  2. docsnyder1911

    docsnyder1911 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2019
    Messages:
    1,540
    Likes Received:
    1,849
    And it would fit in the DTG sheme for TSW to favor commuter routes instead of freight routes. Sadly.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  3. bakedpotatos.jm

    bakedpotatos.jm Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2020
    Messages:
    1,711
    Likes Received:
    3,012
    Actually Matt played Peninsula Corridor on last nights stream. And mentioned that if they were to electrify the route it would be a brand new route so you could have both experiences.

    So it very well could be on the radar for them to do.
     
  4. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2023
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    4,443
    Can't really blame them lol. Every time they make a US freight route, everyone screams at them. They can't get the audio recordings, because the companies won't allow it, and people always somehow blame DTG for that.
    I just don't think TSW can do US freight properly enough at a base level to satisfy serious US freight fans that basically want Run 8 with good graphics.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Disintegration7

    Disintegration7 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2018
    Messages:
    2,338
    Likes Received:
    5,434
    They're in a tough spot regarding access tbh.

    What i'll say is, they can't control that but they CAN improve the gameplay experience. I'd love for them to essentially start over on US Freight- look at games like Run8, Derail Valley, and Railroader for ideas on making freight operations interesting.

    Free roam is a good start, but we need more tools to make our own switching moves and local freights.

    I'd love some sort of logistics chain based on the industries on each route- factory A brings in 8 cars of component B per day and produces 5 cars of gadget X. Spawn a loco in and do pickups setouts as you navigate the existing timetable.

    I'd probably never do anything else lol
     
    • Like Like x 3
    • Helpful Helpful x 1
  6. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2023
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    4,443
    I think for US freight, they just need to make a more in depth, bigger route, and charge more for it. Like make it 200 miles or something, charge 50-60 bucks. And really just focus on the depth of it.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Also, more thought needs to go into each route and how to make routes more in tune to real life.

    -Clinchfield wasn't bad, but they screwed up with the helper units with the non functioning Banking Comms. The lack of a Loco DLC also hurt the variety of the route.

    -Sherman got screwed by developer time and lost a good part of its route. DTG also for some reason never included UP branded Covered hoppers for the route. And the Heritage Unit pack was terrible in quality control.

    -Cajon suffered heavily in the scenery department aside from Victorville, which was well done. Not to mention Union Pacific services from the Cutoff to Barstow never came (Despite being there IRL) and 2 unfavorable loco DLCs (The F7 and BNSF SD70ACe). The route also could of help pushed Amtraks long distance stuff (Something that would help some of these freight routes which can support it)

    -The freight on Antelope was done very poorly, where you needed 2 DLC to even get the correct operator on the route was a terrible idea, and just including a UP Loco with some kind of double stack car would of been the better minimal option.
     
    • Like Like x 6
    • Helpful Helpful x 1
  8. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Will say that the BNSF ES44C4 is one of the better modeled units though, just wish DTG picked a better number range for them, only including the 3000's series units is odd.
    aaaa.png
     
  9. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    Maybe they could just use computer generated sounds and replicate the locomotive sounds you would figure with todays technology they could very closely replicate sounds as close as possible if they cant get access to real recording s..seem thats what holds back freight and routes is licensing and getting good live recordings also are plenty of good videos on you tube or dvd producers that have decent sound watch and listen they could study them to do good computer sound replication .
     
  10. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    I
    would also be willing at this point to see DTG just have some fictional routes based on real life routes or well done user created routes off the editor as long as console players on gen 9 can acess the content hopefully this can be anear future thing to make TSW more fun since free roam creators club more sand box ways to play if they cant do more licensed content
     
  11. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    i
    did the survey and was some question about to get a favorite locomotive would you be willing to have fictional levels or road names i answered yes also with creators club livery designer the level creator beta and comming formation creator would make this more a thing ..have some licensed content and fictional well done user created and DTG created stuff ..seems there a lot of things DTG wants to do but licenseing gets in the way
     
  12. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    by some of the questions i saw on the survey maybe DTG is looking more into the sand box side of things for TSW in future instalments ..
     
  13. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2022
    Messages:
    7,637
    Likes Received:
    4,935
    I don't think anyone would buy fictional content. Tsw is advertised as realistic.

    The problem with using YouTube is copyright and how the sound was sourced. Just because it sounds good doesn't mean dtg can use it. You also can't isolate specific sounds from a YouTube video. Ai generated sounds can also be mixed quality. It can sound artificial if not done properly
     
  14. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Huh, Metrolink's San Bernadino Line, wasn't expecting that....
    11.png
     
    • Like Like x 4
  15. Canadian Follower

    Canadian Follower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2023
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    861
    Would have preferred the LIRR overhaul in all honesty..
     
    • Like Like x 4
  16. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Supposed to be talked about in the roadmap at the end of the stream.
    sdasdad.png
     
    • Like Like x 6
  17. MaxBenchip

    MaxBenchip Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 26, 2023
    Messages:
    648
    Likes Received:
    1,397
    What Discord is that ?
     
  18. Train Sim Society

    Train Sim Society Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2021
    Messages:
    467
    Likes Received:
    846
    Out of all routes… that??? And a recycle of a loco we already have? dovetail come on… this other route they’re teasing better blow my socks off.
     
    • Like Like x 5
  19. amtraknick1993

    amtraknick1993 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2019
    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    922
    Haha, called that one a mile away in my speculation a few days ago. I guess we get our MP36 after all.

    I’m honestly not mad about this to be completely honest. I knew it was either going to be California or east coast/New York. Another Metrolink route makes sense, especially considering it was a lot of work for all the equipment for just one route. Now we have two to use it on.
     
  20. Canadian Follower

    Canadian Follower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2023
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    861
    Is it really just a re-skin? Dovetail really is going to new lows. Although I wonder what the U.S loco DLC is since the MP36 isn’t it.
     
  21. malikrthr

    malikrthr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,109
    Likes Received:
    1,828
    Perhaps there is still hope to hear about LIRR today? Since this is the route many of us have been speculating for the last few days, hopefully it is mentioned or some detail is given about it today
     
    • Like Like x 1
  22. Mikey_9835

    Mikey_9835 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2019
    Messages:
    805
    Likes Received:
    2,500
    Metrolink route is a boring choice imo but there's still a likely possibility that LIRR 2.0 is being announced later, it's just issues with licensing that they can't announce it yet.
     
  23. malikrthr

    malikrthr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,109
    Likes Received:
    1,828
    I wonder if the licensing has to do with New York & Atlantic Railway, or perhaps the DE/DM30AC locomotive
     
  24. amtraknick1993

    amtraknick1993 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2019
    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    922
    People need to remember too they’re going to focus on stuff they have a license for or can easily get a license for. They already have a license for Metrolink. It makes sense for them to expand on that. They already have a license for LIRR stuff. So let’s see what happens with that as well. And, for what it’s worth, they already have a license for Amtrak and there’s still more US stuff to be announced.
     
  25. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    DE/DM30AC is EMD, there shouldn't be any issues with that. The NY&A is a possibility as that has to go thru the Anacostia Rail Holdings Company, who currently own the NY&A. Outside of that I have no clue what other license would hold it up.
     
    • Helpful Helpful x 1
  26. malikrthr

    malikrthr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,109
    Likes Received:
    1,828
    We also have the roadmap at the end of the stream to look forward too so perhaps more details on US stuff may be released in a little while I believe
     
  27. locobilly

    locobilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2021
    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    2,852
    if they want Run8 with good graphics then I’d recommend people to get TSC, add to it with Railworks Enhancer 2 and they will have their solution.The US/Canadian freight is done very well in TSC including retro freight, and with routes up to 150 miles or so. Checkout the new Feather River Canyon remastered and extended soon to be released. Another thing is there are many free scenarios on Workshop.
     
  28. Canadian Follower

    Canadian Follower Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2023
    Messages:
    352
    Likes Received:
    861
    After watching that, I can say I’m not interested in anything they talked about whatsoever..
     
    • Like Like x 2
  29. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Feather River has DTM stock and stuff, big pass.

    At least Milepost has the decent stuff
     
  30. malikrthr

    malikrthr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,109
    Likes Received:
    1,828
    Lets see, hopefully the roadmap releases somewhere within the hour so we can learn more about the heavily speculated US route that we are all waiting for
     
  31. locobilly

    locobilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2021
    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    2,852
    Feather River Canyon is a good and challenging drive imo. The enhanced version looks really good and owners of the original get a 15% discount. If you want long freight hauls it’s got to be TSC as TSW will never bring them.
     
  32. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    15% is a joke as well. Alot of hardcore US fans on TSC are facepalming at the stock and what's going on with it. HIS couldn't even accurately get the Clio trestle color right....

    Most of us are more excited for Mileposts Tennessee Pass Route than the Feather River Canyon route.
     
  33. locobilly

    locobilly Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2021
    Messages:
    1,174
    Likes Received:
    2,852
    Yeah that looks good too, but I always loved Feather and like the variety on it.
     
  34. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    Hope there will be a freight layer for BNSF how much freight traffic run s this line being it go to san bernadino
     
  35. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    BNSF freight runs on the San Bernardino Sub, not this line. This line only sees local freight at most. It used to be the Santa Fe's mainline to Los Angeles, but not anymore
     
  36. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2022
    Messages:
    7,637
    Likes Received:
    4,935
    Why not? It's a different route from antelope valley and much busier while giving a more commuter type feel to it. Licenses already exist. Mp36 has some changes to it. If you don't like a route, just don't get it. There should be variety, not just routes that blow your socks off
     
  37. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2023
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    4,443
    It's busier, it's certainly not "much" busier. I'm happy for the route though, I was only expecting the MP36 as a loco DLC. 18 Services for San Bernadino. Antelope 2024 currently has 15, and I think the 2023 timetable that TSW uses has like 10 or 12? But Antelope also has the Ventura County services added in for two stations.
    [​IMG]
     
  38. trlz#8165

    trlz#8165 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2023
    Messages:
    1,036
    Likes Received:
    455
    I will prob end up buying it and do free roam freight runs ..will also watch pre release video streams
     
  39. nahtankski

    nahtankski Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2022
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    68
    Have any of y’all seen this video yet? I don’t know where they got the info but I think it confirms the other US route is LIRR

     
    • Helpful Helpful x 1
  40. malikrthr

    malikrthr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 1, 2019
    Messages:
    1,109
    Likes Received:
    1,828
    From the roadmap, it looks like the US route is in a TBC state. Currently with the licensing approvals, I don't know when we might officially hear more about LIRR. I was hoping it would be in this month's roadmap but it appears not. Looks like we have another month or more until we hear about LIRR
     
  41. Mr JMB

    Mr JMB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2020
    Messages:
    1,323
    Likes Received:
    3,089
    I think it was well before Christmas that the announcement of the US route was pulled at the last minute. Not a great sign if it still isn't ironed out by now. With the achievements already leaked i would guess the route is almost ready to go and just needs the signoff. Possible that they got a preview and didn't like something?
     
  42. pveezy

    pveezy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2021
    Messages:
    1,136
    Likes Received:
    2,205
    I will say I’m more of an east coast than west coast fan when it comes to passenger stuff but I am interested in this new Metrolink route. Some questions I have for when more info starts to come out…:

    1. We know the F125 and Rotems from Antelope will show up on the new route… are they going to back port the MP36 and Bombardier cars to Antelope? I think the loco is simple enough but from my understanding of how TSW works they can’t sub passenger cars like they can with locos, I think they’d have to actually modify the timetable and/or consists to have them show up on Antelope (anyone can correct me if I am wrong).

    2. Since the new route ends in San Bernardino, which we have in the Cajon Pass route, will they now take the time to populate the Metrolink AI traffic onto CJP route? I know they didn’t bother bringing Metrolink onto CJP after Antelope. But it would be nice if they did it now, considering they made a point in the reveal to mention how the 3 routes sort of connect (not literally but adding the AI would make it feel more integrated).
     
  43. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

    PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,527
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    Didn’t we already got one California Route already which is the antelope route. How is the scenery on this route?
     
  44. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

    PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,527
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    They forgot too
     
  45. Blacknred81

    Blacknred81 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2019
    Messages:
    6,552
    Likes Received:
    13,593
    Urban/Industial LA basically
     
  46. PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix

    PegasusLeosRailwayFanatix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2020
    Messages:
    1,527
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    They have push back the unannounced for a while now, which is kinda of annoying but it’s always the license that they have to work out before officially announcing to the public, hopefully it will be very soon.
     
  47. amtraknick1993

    amtraknick1993 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2019
    Messages:
    568
    Likes Received:
    922
    Urban, industrial, residential and flat. High speed running of 79mph. Pretty modern.

    People didn’t like a commuter route with mountain running like AVL so now here’s the compromise. Yet I’ve already seen people not happy with flat, high speed running either so I don’t know what people want at this point.
     
  48. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2023
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    4,443
    That's what I feel happens with every single US release. People (albeit sometimes different ones) complain that the US never gets anything.
    I'm certainly much, much happier with LIRR 2.0, and another Metrolink route than the (13 Mile) Goblin Line for the UK.
     
  49. MrbKlegend89

    MrbKlegend89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2019
    Messages:
    373
    Likes Received:
    442
    Well I partially seen this coming the moment, they mentioned the Last roadmap of why they didn't announce the upcoming US Route lol...They said it was a "good reason" why it wasn't announced, lol Welp I was partially right this would get delayed AGAIN, if from what it's speculated that it's this so called LIRR 2.0..

    So now what's the issue regarding the license this time?lol

    Like Stephen A Smith says "Just wait be patient, they wont let you down" lmao.
     
  50. Fawx

    Fawx Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2023
    Messages:
    1,932
    Likes Received:
    4,443
    It's 100% LIRR 2.0, the trophies are already up on PSN for it.
     
    • Like Like x 1

Share This Page