Semmeringbahn Discussion Thread

What rolling stock would you put on this route then? Anything you could realistically do exists already within TSW. Of course you could just not do the route at all but then that means almost no OBB routes. You really don’t get very far with OBB if you avoid the Taurus.

 

Isn't the BR182 he same loco from the Eurosprinter ES64u2 family named Taurus? Is there something I am missing ?

 

Taurus is technically the name given to these locos by ÖBB, not Siemens, so Austrians often get a bee in their bonnet about people using the name Taurus for non-ÖBB Taurus locos.

 

Havent seen a bmz before, its clearly different from the Avmz/bpmz we have on German routes. And maybe/hopefully that 1116 gets a conplete overhaul to fit obb specs (modern cab etc).

Really is a shame about the missing 1st class though.

 

for me it is Taurus as a universal loco and CityJet liveried trains like Bombardier Talent 1 and Desiro ML for regional/commuter services... and once Siemens starts shelling out those Mireos (from the framework contract, like 540 sets till 2030 or sth), they will be as omnipresent as Desiros

 

Railjet and 1144 are the most obvious picks that would make it feel unique. Setting the route further in the past opens up a plethora of new options like the very popular 1020. Where there's a will, there's a way. But I guess that's a piping dream when they can't even make two classes of coaches.

 

sometimes two RailJets join up and it looks epic

 

Railjet is still a Taurus, or a Vectron. So either way you end up with the same result. Again, you really don’t make it very far into OBB without touching one or the other.

The 1144 is an option yes, but then we all know what really sells & it isn’t those locomotives.

Even if this route was an 1144, then what? We throw the same complaints on the next route where we have to have a reused loco.

Like I stated above, I am very vocal about the reuse of stock in TSW, but there are examples such as this where it cannot be avoided. If Austria is to be allowed into the fold as a core TSW country, you & I will have to accept that we are going to see locos that already exist.

 

Oke I was thinking this might be the reason but thanks for the official clarification .

 

I strongly disagree.
Railjet as a whole consist is a rather unique train, an HST push-pull basically. Sure, there is a Taurus in it, but the coaches are completely different and many of them also use 1216s that are not in the game (another possible new loco).
You would be able to reach a point where you start seeing the same rolling stock appear again, but this is the 2nd Austrian route, there's absolutely no reason for this to happen already. Believe it or not, ÖBB has a bunch of unique locos and trains. You can have new vehicles in the first twenty Austrian releases. Yet the 2nd is already all recycled content.

 

Agreed that the Taurus is underwhelming, even though it's underused as a passenger loc in TSW thus far. Having the Railjet would've been enticing. Maybe it would've involved additional licensing

Not looking forward to the mountain pop-up either on XSX, hope they will look into this before release

 

But at the end of the day it's realistic. Can't fight reality.

Also I still think, that a RailJet DLC will come at some point.

 

well, Austria is kinda known to highly standardize its fleet - makes it easier to train drivers, repair and maintain rolling stock... so it is Taurus, Vectron, CityJet Desiros and Talent 1s, and incoming Mireos, those comprising a huge majority of the fleet, being on most routes... only occasionally, serving really small villages/towns and branch lines, you occasionally meet 5047s, Desiro Classics, sometimes occasional Herkules (diesel loco 140 km/h) and bunch of other older stuff

so since the routes wont cover whole Austria and will be mostly well known routes, and those trains/locos I have just mentioned make up the core, you will get a high percentage of the "same" on Austrian routes... occasionally, liveries might differ, like lets say CityJets in Tirol have unique decals and such

 

also thanks to Taurus it has that nice melody when departing <3

 

Haha yeah I do love the Taurus

 

lately some RailJets have been sporting the 100 Jahre OBB livery that looks supercool

 

I love how all of the WIP pictures of this route so far show the 1116 driving with both pantographs down.

Is this going to be another BRO Press 155 situation?

 

To me it is obvious that they spawned in free roam and plopped those trains there to make the screenshots. Of course they could have raised the pantographs for that, but I don't think they are driving like that.

 

There is actually one in this livery. But there are many other advertisement liveries such as Klimaticket or the ORF one.

 

thats cos Taurus is kinda like a moving ad banner thanks to its nice shape

 

Unless ČD did some change, it's 1216 on the Railjets that go from Austria up to Prague and mostly Vectrons on the ComfortJets.
But I also saw some old diesel on the ComfortJet, so it can vary.

 

and ČD ComfortJets were the FIRST to get Vectrons 230, even before OBB did ... and while OBB uses Siemens Viaggio coaches, I believe the new ComfortJets use Škoda/Siemens joint new coaches (Škoda with someone, forgot who ) ... Czech Rail/ComfortJet also has nice livery

 

the austrian Re460
But in this case I meant whole trains! That makes the Railjet advertisements so cool because it’s a few hundred meters of advertisement driving 230km/h through Europe

 

yep, I also like the KlimaTicket one... would be even cooler if I could actually afford one at least for Ostregion+Wien

 

Pretty excited for that ÖBB 1116 Taurus, I hope it will have the digital screens though.
I'm sick and tired of trying to read the speeds off or the Analog Speedometer.

 

You're not the first to say it. I find it curious and controversial as a statement, and so I ask you: technically what would the Taurus locomotive be? Starting from the fact that they are both Siemens EuroSprinter64, U2 the 1016 and U4 the 1216 (the real Taurus according to some)

Fun fact, this is an official page and labels the ES64 U2 as Taurus.
https://ro.dbcargo.com/rail-ro-en/db-cargo-romania-fleet/locomotives/siemens-ES64U2-Taurus

From Wiki: "The ÖBB assigned the protected name Taurus to Class 1016 (and later to the Classes 1116 and 1216); since then all ES 64 U+ series are widely known as 'Taurus' locos."
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EuroSprinter

 

Yeah, It's kind of a letdown not having any new locos, usually we would get 1 new and at least 1 recycled (Taurus) and then layers. And the older austrian electrics were so interesting in TSC. Last month I could see eight of 1144:s in Trelleborg, Sweden, it would be nice to drive one in TSW... Anyway, if all we are geting is Siemens ES64U2 and Talent, then I hope they will at least rework the sounds - looking at you, 4024!

 

i see no Taurus sign on it, so its just an ES64U2

 

The ÖBB Taurus has a Taurus Sign left from the Cab door. The MRCE has no Taurus Sign on it.

 

They’re being pedantic about it, Technically the BR 182 is not a Taurus, as that is a name OBB gave their ES64’s - a name which has spread.

However, it is still known as a Taurus.

 

Just because the ÖBB doenst have a list of Locos as rich as f.e. Germany, it doesn't mean they had no options. Take the 1144 as one example. It's definitely a Iconic austrian Loco. Or take advantage of one of the super interesting shunter locos from ÖBB.

Also, this Route is heavily involved in European freight traffic. If not an ÖBB Loco, why not something that isn't from Austria but does run there daily. So in my eyes there are plenty of options beside recycling stuff. I absolutely see that this route needs the Taurus, its not a bad choice at all, but not as THE loco for this Route.

From the Stream i get : it'll be the Taurus with the "new" IC coaches and the (underwhelming) Talent2, which shall result in a interesting timetable with lots of variety. Not a single world of freight traffic. Im not sure about that.

My assumption is that there will soon follow a Loco DLC that could have been included from the get go.

So on the Loco front, this Route seems to already disappoints. For me, the asked priced is simply to much for what you get.

 

OK, at this point apologies, but it's probably for the best that this gets cleared out very soon.

DTG Matt - is freight included in the route? Is there a freight layer?

 

I don't understand why people are hating on the stock choice for this route. For moust railfans that I know the Taurus is an iconic locomotive for OBB, handling freight, IC, RE, RIljet and Nightjet services.
Beside this you can also spot these all around Europe doing moustly freight services .
These locos are true engineering gems and I quite like them even more than the Vectrons.
For me as long as the locomotive is made properly with correct sounds it will be a welcomed addition to my DLC list since all previous 182 incarnations where really bad (atrocious sounds, low quality cab) and don't do this fantastic loco any justice.

 

Could it be that DTG forgot to apply the red logo with black bands and white T A U R U S writing near the door? Seriously, in the pictures I notice that several OBB 1016 and 1116 have the distinctive logo. On the contrary, I have not yet seen a DB BR 183 with that distinctive logo. So "technically" the 183's aren't real Taurus either, but only the OBB's are?

Taurus logo (they mount it near the door, not the key ring in the image but a real tag)

 

If the route is using recycled locos and rolling stock assets, wonder if it will come in at the lower £24.99 price tag? (Probably not!).

 

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the ÖBB has no 183 and no 182??

 

DB BR 183 have not Taurus tag (cause not OBB, link on Wiki is above). Are they *real* Taurus the same?

 

oh no, my wallet cries again after your statement

edit: I hope it will layer into Vorarlberg, Rosenheim and possibly others? )) exciteeeed

 

If the Taurus is rebuilt to the Vectron standards then I don’t mind full price at all, the BR182 has had a controversial life in TSW & it’s long needed a refit for dedicated passenger operations.

The route does fall down when it comes to the rolling stock though, it’s looking like we will only get 2nd class consists, as said in the roadmap thread, It’s bizarre that someone at DTG will have said “no let’s save a little bit of money here & not do 1st class”.

It’s really odd that we are getting into a pattern of the IC/IR consists just missing coaches. We lost (never had) the cab car from the IC rakes. Now we’ve lost the the 1st class coaches. Of course if it really isn’t coming, DTG will only give us the ‘didn’t have time’ spiel again - to which I say if you don’t have time to make a standard 1st & 2nd class consist - out of stock that already exists, then DTG need to reassess how much time they’re giving to each DLC.

Overall I’m not concerned at all with regards to the 1116 being the lead loco, what it’s hauling is the issue.

 

That sounds amazing

 

eek *squeaks in give-me-the-route-right-now*

 

Sadly thanks to the TSW architecture these cannot be backported to the three 182 versions we already have.

 

I mean, it could still be layered into Vorarlberg, since that one is Austrian and you BET I will do at least 2-3 liveries also for the new Taurus

 

This is controversial because I've met several people who don't recognize the 182 as a Taurus (and technically that may be correct, because it's not OBB...) while they identify the 183 (still not OBB) as a real Taurus. Today we all understood that technically the Taurus are Austrian/OBB, even if the name can also be extended to the other ES64U+ models (even if they do not have the distinctive red plate).

 

it's like, in here, many sport shoes are called just "botasky" by general public, cos at one time in the past, Botas shoes were the sh.t it's like, sometimes a certain thing/item becomes so popular that its name becomes synonymous with the thing it represents no harm done

 

Matt, could you please confirm, if we will only get 2nd class coaches or 1st class coaches too? In the Dovetail Direct, only 2nd class coaches were mentionned.

 

Pretty sure it's just the Bmz coaches. Which is a little bit of a downer, going by the fact that we don't have a lot of austrial rolling stock, yet.

There must be a reason why they decided to not do it. Maybe they needed ressources for another - bigger - project? [*railjet??*]

 

I mean that would be an utterly ridiculous reason to skip the coach.

Not that it’ll matter, DTG know they can give a generic reason for not adding it, proceed with not adding it & they’ll make the money regardless.

Ultimately as a community we’ve told DTG they can do this sort of thing & it’s fine.

The only price they could pay is the shame for omitting stuff like this, but I doubt the person making the decisions to do this sort of thing knows what that word is.

 

Can I borrow your rose-tinted glasses?