Going Overground (v.2) | The Goblin Discussion & Speculation Thread

My reaction upon hearing this news :/

 

The new London Overground names are horrific
'Windrush Line' 'Suffragette Line' what I cant cope. South London Line and Goblin are perfectly fine ffs

 

Yeah, our local nickname for what was the East London Line is the Brunel Line, if only they listened to the recommendations.

 

They're only being renamed for political points.

 

They could have just named them Geographically. Why does a football team need a name? And goblin was iconic. I cant believe it £6m on this instead of putting it into the bakerloo line or fares

 

Don't fret, it's still the GOBLIN. A few million spent on a name change will not change that as far as I'm concerned.

 

Gospel Oak - Barking; North London, South London, West London, East London.

All of these line names are helpful. You know where they are and where they serve.

Does the windrush line serve, say, the place the windrush arrived?
No - that's in Essex.

At least the tube lines have a bit of meaning to them;
Bakerloo - Baker St + Waterloo
Circle - a literal circle
H&C - between Hammersmith and the City
District - crosses districts (named for the Metropolitan & District Railway)
Metropolitan - historic name
W&C - Waterloo to the city
Jubilee - opened to coincide with QEII's something-jubilee

And so forth.

If a name doesn't have a reason to be what it is, surely Geographical indicators (which they already are) are better?

 

Yeap, just like Crossrail /s

 

Going off Twitter or ‘X’ (note the irony), it looks like DTG will be honouring TFL’s name changes & renaming the DLC to the Suffragette Line.

 

They will have been instructed to do so I should imagine as part of the license agreement.

 

https://x.com/trainsimworld/status/1758461279688102027?s=20

https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...id=dtg&utm_term=tfl-new-name-overground-route

I prefer Goblin line tbh

 

Yup that seems to be the consensus nationally.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Argumentative] It’s good to recognise Londoners and their achievements, I’m all for it!

 

The thread will remain "The Goblin [...] Thread" folks.
More recognisable (and a better name.)

 

I think both TFL & DTG are crazy if they think anyone will use their new names in the next few decades.

 

People stick to what they know, after all.
I know people who still refer to the Glasgow Subway as the 'Underground'.

When I did my route write-up in the Fife Circle thread, I defaulted to 'Dunfermline Town' as opposed to 'Dunfermline City' - which I only realised on second reading and changed. Not that I prefer 'town', "City" sounds better (even if Dunfermline doesn't deserve it's title).

The Goblin name is, in itself, very well-known, of course. The other routes are a bit more boring, but they are useful.

If you're getting on the North London Line when you think you should be in Croydon - then at least you know you're going the wrong way

 

This is how human nature works. A person grows up calling something by a certain name. Someone changes the name, but it does not change in your head and you will always use the name you have always know.

 

Does anyone find it funny that it's been announced this line is being renamed after DTG teased it?

Makes me wonder whether it's a marketing strategy or something by both TFL and DTG.

 

Nah TFL has wanted to give the London Overground Line names for years.

 

Let's be fair, the lines will still be known by older folk as Goblin (or the North/south/east/west London lines, Watford DC lines for decades to come.). Where I used to live we had a bus service that terminated at a local public house. The pub closed in the 1980s and in the early 2000s the bus company stopped calling the terminus by the pub name and used the library instead, but 20 years later people still ask for the pub as a destination.

I'm sure GOBLIN will far outlast any other branding, in a similar way to how Intercity has outlived many toc names.

 

Awful name but at the end of the day it’s a box ticking exercise and will always be the Goblin to me and many others.

 

I guess. I'm probably reading too deep into it.

Does seem weird though.

 

I don't think a game developer or anyone from the public can just change the names of the london overground lines lol

 

hopefully if DTG use the silly new name, some will make a mod to put it back to what it should be and will always know us the goblin line!

 

I neither said nor implied that.

 

They have been tryna change the names of the lines for years i remember ages ago watching a geoff marshall vid where he came up with names for the lines

 

And funnily enough, Geoff does it better.

East London & North London stay the (basic) same, likewise, Lea Valley and Goblin.

Rompminster is a play on Romford - Upminster, similar to Goblin. (Not the best..)

Harlequin, by process of elimination, would be the Watford DC line. Not sure where that came from.

 

Except that would be the 'Gospel Oak to Barking Line Line'.

 

I still refuse to call Crossrail the Eliza***h line. It will always be Crossrail.

 

Its confirmed it will be called Suffragette Line in TSW

 

Regardless of the names themselves (which I do not like in the slightest), whatever TFL says the Overground and the Elizabeth Line are still part of the National Rail network which means their official names are still the same. While I could say I only call lines by their official names that would be a lie as I call the CTRL High Speed 1 and

That said, the Watford DC Line is still the Watford DC Line, the East London Line is still the East London Line, etcetera. If I was in charge of naming the Overground lines, I'd name them with the names they already have.

As for DTG changing the name of the DLC, I suspect they were told by TFL to do so, but whether that was the case or DTG did it under their own volition doesn't really matter. The route is the same route as it was a few days ago.

 

I haven't read into the names and why they have chosen them as frankly I do not care enough to, but some of them seem rather random: I mean what do Suffragettes, Windrush or bloody lions have to do with the railway lines!

The DLC is just as unappealing to me now as it were before anyway, unless it is going for £20 which may make me consider it.

 

The price is gonna have to be a guess because Glossop was £20 and they didnt even provide new stock. If i were to guess id say it would be £20-27

 

Windrush is named that because a large Caribbean population live along the line. Lioness is named that because it goes to Wembley, and the England Women's team are called the Lionesses. (Still dislike the names though).

 

So that is why the ECML and WCML are being renamed the Yellow Belly and Brummie lines respectively next year then.

Ah and then this would explain the MML's and GEML's renaming to the Foxes and Canaries lines too.

Obviously this is not a view on the real life events themselves and their impacts, but that must put it somewhat into a perspective how random these names really are. More geographical names would have certainly made much more sense.

 

The train is also getting renamed, it is now the DEI 101...

 

Where did you hear that?

 

At the Royal Academy of Sarcasm, I hear.

 

Lol

 

I don’t really see this as a big deal. For a lot of people in and outside this forum we probably won’t even use these names for a long while after these changes have been made.

 

Hope not! This is a prime example of an organisation being consumed by guilt & political correctness!

 

Yep 100%

 

Unfortunately for you, they already have.

 

The Lioness line for the Women’s team that won the Euros. Fair enough but not a line to celebrate the men who won the World Cup in 1966. I suspect some Jiggery Wokery. The again, we could have a line named in honour of the late Graham Taylor. I know, they could call it the Watford Line (or would that be too sensible).

 

What in the woke… why would TfL change it to something like that… if it isn’t broken don’t fix it!!!

 

No way you seriously just typed out ‘what in the woke’ and followed up by posting it…

 

I did some research since I was curious about these new names for these lines and I must say they are horrible. So this is now the London Overground Suffragette Line. What a awful name. Also why does it cost so much money just to rename a line? 6.3 million pounds is just ridiculous.

But I also wonder why didn't London Overground have official names for their lines when they first opened?

 

Most of the lines opened under Pre-grouping or Big 4 and have been inherited by TFL in very recent years. The lines to Cheshunt etc used to be known as Jazz Trains. The East/North and West London lines had those exact names as did the Watford DC Lines.

I guess the cost was paying a PR agency to go round and talk to people, gather ideas and whittle them down, and then the cost of things like new leaflets/signage at stations etc.

 

Changing signs, maps, announcements and other things

 

It's still a waste of money.