Upcoming Release Train Sim World 4: Bahnstrecke Salzburg – Rosenheim: Coming Soon!

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They still want to meet next Tuesday’s launch, so they’re cancelling the preorder? How does the preorder affect ongoing work on the route, other than not offering a discount? This doesn’t make much sense to me.

 

No problem, I'll just wait until it's fixed 2 years from now

 

You assume they will release more then two patches for a new route?

 

Realistically, it is going to be 0 or 1.

 

Another half route from DTG. Salzburg to Munich would have been awesome. Instead we've got Salzburg to nowhere in particular. They've already built part of Munich, but accountants obviously said no...

 

Do you have any idea how many kilometers it is from Salzburg to Munich? If you knew this you wouldn't have written this.....

I'll tell you, it's about 160km, which is just too far and not very realistic...
160 km of which 40 km is very densely populated is also an aggravating factor

 

Mighty Google says ~120km.

 

Yeah that's without following the railway line but in the sky from a to b.... Not very smart right?!

 

Rosenheim is perfectly logical; it's a major, major junction. Pretty much all the rail traffic from Munich to the south and southeast goes via Rosenheim; some going east to Salzburg, Graz, Vienna and Budapest and some going south to Kufstein, Innsbruck and Italy.

 

Yes, I travel on it regularly.

We already have a 186km German route - this route would be shorter than that

And this route isn't 160 Kms - it is about 130kms.

Anything else I can help you with?

 

Yes not very smart from Google, that's right.

"Züge, die von München nach Salzburg Hbf fahren, legen während der Fahrt eine Entfernung von ungefähr 117km zurück."

But that's wrong, so you are right

 

Munich - Rosenheim are 64.9 km.
Rosenheim - Salzburg another 88.6 km.
A total route from Munich to Salzburg is 153.5 km long.

Considering that we don't have a high-speed route here with many, many long tunnels, such a long route in the TSW is simply unrealistic. At least for DTG. I'll be happy if they get the 88.6 km from Rosenheim to Salzburg beautifully designed.

And I would say that - except for Munich itself perhaps - the route Rosenheim - Salzburg is more interesting, as for the landscape and scenery. There we have, for example, the Chiemsee, the Chiemseebahn, the railway museum with round locomotive shed in Freilassing (Lokwelt) and of course the approaching mountains of the Alps.

I therefore think the decision in this section is correct.

 

At the beginning I was very interested to this route, but after saw the included trains I'm not sure as before about It...
Understood choise to add the 111 but, for me, it's too similar to other loco, especially because it coming with the well known Dostos...
Hope the preview can change my opinion! For now my best candidate is the Semmeringbhann!

 

Thank you very much! Its also a line thats not straight van A to B... Between Prien and Salzburg the route make a strange curve...

 

I don't think anyone from germany (who's into german railways) would say the same about the 111. Especially the way of controlling it is very different to all the other locos we have. But I understand why non-germans think it's another red box. For me all the american freight locos all literally look the same. But an enthusiast of american freight trains will disagree for sure.

 

The thing is its looks like the same but the way how you speed up is totally different and we dind't have this system in the game with all the other locos and countries. Its so much fun to drive.....
Its the throttle that i mean!

 

I don't wish to have high entry dostos for a route where they don't belong to.

 

And the route is set in 2013 - I don't think the orange display was a thing in 2013, was it?

 

I don't mean it specifically to this route! I mean it in general! DTG always looks for routes where only these dosto are included! There is no such thing as a route where the other is used and for me it is a sign that DTG does not want to model a new car when you can use the same car all the time!

 

Around 2013 the ads (FIS) - that I found - were all green/yellowish style and not orange (LED). Here are some examples:

2009
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deutschland~e-loks~br-111/273141/lok-111-065-faehrt-mit-einem.html

2011
https://bahnamateurbilder.startbild...R+6111/160727/db-111-025-mit-rb-muenchen.html

2013 (The scissor pantograph is correct, as the "low entry DOSTOS", just not the orange display!)
https://www.bahnbilder.de/bild/deut.../der-letzte-muenchner-11er-fruehling-ist.html

 

1. A few years ago, there was hardly any route in germany without Dostos. So it's kinda hard to find a route without Dostos in general.

2. Saying they "always" look for those routes, is factually wrong as well. Left Rhine had no Dostos included. Maintalbahn - no Dostos. On Kassel-Würzburg Dostos are AI only, irrc. Even BRO had no Dostos included, but only as layer.

 

Yeah your'e absolutely right....

To other people.... what nonsense is being proclaimed here.... know your facts before you give your opinion. This is simply confirming an excuse with a falsehood.

 

I came from Italy and as you say, I don't know so much speaking about railway or trains, and yes, for me this 111 is similar to other "red boxes" but not for the aspect or the difference about driving; I'm speaking about the performance.
Not sure about this but it seems another 160kph engine that pull or push 4 or maybe 5 Dostos as you just can do in other route.
The line itself it's good for me but this isn't enough to me to buy it at the launch...

And about the Dostos, I like it so much!
The sound isn't always the best that they can do but and it's always the same but if this is the DB standard trains, it's ok!

 

Much agreed, Rosenheim to Salzburg is still a very decent length so plenty of time to enjoy the route. As with the similar discussion regarding Semmeringbahn - it's not always about mileage but instead the variety and/or interesting services, scenery and long-term gameplay on offer etc. I'd rather have a shorter interesting route instead of 150km of straight track etc...

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I would love to see Munich-Rosenheim come to TSW as another standalone route in the future so at least you could travel the entire distance with the two routes combined. Another reason too is I'd like to see Munich Ost in TSW - another busy station, and I remember seeing lots of 420s there too when I visited back in 2019.

Picture taken by me

 

I'm now also sure that when the 420 comes out, it won't come as a sole DLC, but together with a new route. Munich - Rosenheim is a good option because the ET420 also used to drive here.

 

U need to chillout people have the right to speak there mind [Removed - Alex: Insulting]

 

Here's a new video:

However, the 111 still sounds like the 110, no change. Honest?

(76) Train Sim World 4: Bahnstrecke Salzburg – Rosenheim FIRST LOOK - YouTube

 

Wow, I can hardly believe that this is supposed to be the final sound. I mean… the lever sounds exactly like the wheel in the 110…

 

OK so now I do undertand why we didn't see a lot of this route yet...

110 sound for the 111 is a shame. Again this route doesn't seem to be any quality improvement over the last releases.

Edit:
Here is some reference for the real 111 sound:

 

What? Do you ask to people have their own opinions and you restrict mine... Interesting!

 

I have my question about tje layers, especially about the 628 in Verkehrsrot
Article (https://live.dovetailgames.com/live...cle/bahnstrecke-salzburg-rosenheim-livestream)
The article says it is from the niddertalbahn but this car is from the maintalbahn/s Bahn Vorarlberg or am I wrong?

Because

the train can only be used on the maintalbahn in timetable mode

And well, as k.i on the sbahn Vorarlberg

 

No the 628 is niddertalbahn product... If you dont own the niddertalbahn you dind't see it on Vorarlberg

 

Ahh ok my mistake thx mate

 

Hello to all you old fellas o7
Time for my standard layering concerns:

1. NID Steam store product description:

2. MAIN Steam store product description:

3. SRM Steam store article:



So...

Concern #1 DB BR 628.2, in red DB livery (Niddertalbahn)
Do we need MAIN to get the red BR 628? NID has no red one in the package.

Concern #2 DB BR 101 loco Add-on
Normally there is no need to have HRR installed in the case of BR 101 is a layer.
At the moment there is such info by Matt from a pre-purchase stream (questionable?).
HRR base content is just BR 422 & 425, so... better to know what for spend a few bucks more.

Concern #3 Railpool BR 193 Vectron and Eanos Wagon
A layer (additional services) or just a substitution?
Because, if it is a layer - do we need DRA? Theoretically - we don't.
I own all of this and checked this too many times.

info

Concern #4 DB BR 363, in red DB livery (loco Add-on required)
Normally, we need the purchase of RSN and RSN to be installed for BR 363 to be online, so...

DTG states we have to buy HRR but we don't need to own RSN?
I am pretty sure it is not the case. I will buy SRM and I will check this by myself but - better provide the correct description of your product, guys

BR

 

Welcome back

 

I’m a bit worried by this part of the announcement about the release, it says they know a scenario is broken and are looking into whether they can patch it… so you want me to pay for something that is broken, that you are not committing to actually fix??!! I’ve been a supporter of DTG but this feels like it goes a bit too far.

 

What I got from Matt was the broken scenario is not even in the release build, but will be released later as part of a patch, if released at all.

 

breblimator, welcome back, long time no see

You’ll only need Niddertalbahn. While it’s not well advertised, when Vorarlberg was released, a traffic red 628 was added to Niddertalbahn specifically just for future layering opportunities. MAIN was just one of the early routes to layer her in but the red 628 is part of Niddertalbahn.

 

It's just a scenario which I don't usually play anyway but it'll come later like how it did when the gameplay pack released for tsw3

 

So, turns out the sound was just a placeholder, as obviously not ready for those shots. Makes you wonder why they put the not official sound in the official promo video

 

High-door Dostos don't run on this route; they would be totally unrealistic.

 

It was probably a video created earlier in the dev cycle. Videos take time to make and the changes were most likely still being implemented but wasn't available for the video

 

Going to like it and I asked if the DB Baureihe 111 will layer to RRO but it's not even though it's the correct train for the Verkehrsverbund Rhein Ruhr RE4 Wupper Express Aachen to Hagen Hbf

 

Ola

That's really practical and tsw that if you have all the routes that you then have more timetable trips gg

 

Typical DTG.

This should not be released until fixed.

They’ve held back releases previously to fix stuff, why not this? I cannot trust that they’ll fix it after it’s been bought so I won’t be buying it until then.

Do they really expect us to trust them? Crazy!

 

They did fix that one scenario with the railbow pack I believe that didn't make it to release.

 

So this goes for me a little to far off.... For 1 scenario such a big drama..... See what you have to play in this pack with all the layers.... I can't imagine that 1 scenario will brake whole the game expierence......

 

The problem is it’s not just this once. I’ve been playing TSW for a long time. I have more content than I’d care to admit (especially to the wife), but to knowingly release something broken with no clear intention to deliver a fix… it’s not on. We’ve took multiple versions of TSW, we’ve took spirit of steam and the steam physics, we’ve took undelivered patches for TSW 2 and 3 and the undelivered steam improvements and manual fireman, we’re still waiting on the suspension and formation designer promised at TSW4 launch.

I’ve generally been a positive voice, I own all dlc so far, but I’m starting to feel like I’m being taken for a fool. Yes I get a lot of enjoyment, but to release something knowingly broken with no clear plan to fix it??!! And you think we are being dramatic? It’s starting to really frustrate me, I love this game, it’s brought me many hours of enjoyment, but the standard seems to be falling and falling and I’m not sure how much longer I can support it (which is something I don’t say lightly)

 

Which German route is 186km? To confirm, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. Rather I'm interested because I often read people saying DTG can't do very long routes (as an excuse for not doing large sections of ECML WCML etc.) and 186km would be 'very long' IMO so longer sections of these should be possible.