Dovetail Games Rosenheim Preview - Q&a Thread

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  1. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    Good afternoon everyone,

    As we've announced, tomorrow Thursday, February 22nd, we will be livestreaming the Salzburg-Rosenheim preview starting at 19:00 UTC on Train Sim World channels.

    Salzburg – Rosenheim Preview Event


    If you have any questions you want us to address, please send them in this thread! :)
    As a reminder, we may not get to all questions on the stream, but we will look through this thread in preparation.
     
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  2. Monder

    Monder Well-Known Member

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    What is that issue that made you not launch preorders?
     
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  3. Myron

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    Does the ICE 1 have services, even if it's just AI?
    Why are you so much against high level entry Dosto cars as it seems like it? I know they might not be realistic for this route in 2013 specifically but more generally speaking too, why?
     
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  4. Trainiac

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    1. Can you use the Br 111 on other routes?

    2. Any unique features on the route and 111?
     
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    solicitr Well-Known Member

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    Well, the 111 is a tap-changer, but it's controlled by a throttle lever rather than a wheel.
     
  6. OldVern

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    What were the sound sources for the BR 111?
    Is it reusing sounds and physics from the previous DB BR 103 and 110 locos?
    Will the 111 layer on any other routes?
    What layers will come to the route from existing routes?

    NB: These questions are for DTG so can I politely ask the usual suspects not to pop their beaks in as unofficial spokesmen. Thank you.
     
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    What formations will the 111 have in scenario planner/Designer
     
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    Will the Br 111 work with other „Steuerwagen“ like the „Karlsruher Kopf“?
     
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  9. Myron

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    all ingame formations available. pretty much 111 + Dostos in idk how many cars, I guess around 5

    certainly
     
  10. TimTri

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    I‘m especially interested in the area around the Lake Chiemsee (so around the Prien, Bernau and Übersee stations). There is a small branch (“Chiemgaubahn”) to Aschau that leaves the mainline at Prien, serviced by the BR 628 which we have in the game. Apparently, in the evenings some trains operating on the branch go all the way back to Rosenheim. Is this represented in the game?

    I’m also wondering if there were ever any thoughts about including the aforementioned Chiemgaubahn (Prien - Aschau im Chiemgau) as part of the route. Thanks!
     
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    It would be awesome if we got a distant glimpse of Herrenchiemsee palace.
     
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    Do we have services with the BR 766.2 cab car as well? And if yes how many in comparison to the BR 111?

    Did you crafted some new scenery house assets with this route?

    (I guess you would show it anyway if it's the case but)
    What was the purpose of the peat station in the teaser? Is it just a unique station asset or do we indeed have the short miniature railway on there within the DLC? Or if not, is it maybe planned or a passion project to include it in the future?
     
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    It will be half and half with the dvt and 111
     
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    Since this discussion is quite a little underpopulated than I estimated, let me have a bit of a response to that.
    I mean it's likely, yes. But not 100% sure, though. I've found this in the accompanying Salzburg-Rosenheim article:

    "This popular addition to Train Sim World will run services along the length of the route hauling DB Gen 4 Dosto coaches"

    A bit nit-picky, but it says "hauling" not running. Would like to have the official statement.
     
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    Also I have three other questions:

    1. Why is Lukas not with the stream this time?
    Nothing against Alex and Matt, but he maybe could add a few background details regarding the scenery and construction of the railway.

    As a side question: Do you got an idea how you will handle the presumably lots of incoming chat questions in german? Do you need a translator? :)

    Since Preorder was canceled and the DLC is even off Steam right now due to the issue you stated:

    2. Is it safe that the route will come out at Tuesday 27th?

    3. Will the preorder discount period be prolonged/scheduled due to the missing of it now?
     
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    Is the engineroom accessible?

    Are there separate railroad crossings for Germany and Austria?
     
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    One more from me…

    When are we going to get an expanded collection of German rolling stock? How about some UIC compartment stock BM235 etc.? Sure these would have been seen on the line.
     
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    Why you should have ICEs if they are not running on the line Salzburg Rosenheim? And between Kufstein and Rosenheim there are only ICE-T and also that is very rare.....
     
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    Why should we have ICEs on Maintalbahn when they only run on Aschaffenburg Main Station, huuuh? :)
     
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    Well, they would have, but not in the 21st century.
     
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    1. Why Salzburg-Rosenheim? What's in your opinion the special thing about the route?

    2. Can the KaKo be used as cab car to controll the 111? [so basically: Is ZDS (or was it ZWS?) included?

    3. Are n-Wagen in any form layered to the route?

    4. Will liveries for the 111 spawn in the timetable or is it deactivated?

    5. Are there any plans for a RailJet? [i know it won't be answered, but still, just to show interest]

    6. Does the 111 have the suspension function?

    7. Can you showcase shortly the 111 in formation designer?
     
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    1. Want to second the question from RobertSchulz , what happened to Lukas? Always found his intel into the German routes he was talking about quite refreshing and informative.

    2. Also already asked but want to back it up: will we see any nWagen action on this route? If not, I would be interested in the reasoning, as I believe they would be quite important here (even with Kako) and they are already in the game.
     
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    Why can you delay the potential release of the dlc for one scenario and not the other?
     
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    - In the roadmap stream, Alex mentioned the OBB 1116/Bmz from Semmeringbahn will eventually layer into Rosenheim-Salzburg (a great decision in my opinion; please do the same for Vorarlberg too). Can you tell us a bit more about this; will these add completely new services to Rosenheim-Salzburg? Or will all such IC services be available from launch regardless, but instead operated by the DB 101 etc?

    - Can you please consider making the excellent Vectron as a selectable loco for playable freight services for this route?

    It was mentioned in the roadmap stream the route is a "window in time" i.e. older trains on a more modern representation of the route. Thus, I don't see why it would be a problem having such a newer loco like the Vectron on the modern representation of the route.

    - Will the 111 be available to use for services on other routes, especially for Rhein-Ruhr Osten as per reality?
     
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  26. DTG Alex

    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    In this case, we had the opportunity to hold the pre-order, more out of circumstance, and we wanted to ensure the best possible outcome for the release. Thankfully we were able to resolve the issue and re-enable the Steam pre-order with the discount.
     
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    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    Regarding the n-Wagens, they won't be appearing on the route with layers - I will look to see more on our reasoning for this with the final write-up of these questions tomorrow morning.

    As for Lukas not being on the stream, this was more of a case that he had his evening booked out for another event - but it's good to hear that he is missed/appreciated, and we will make sure to include him as a guest for any German-related content where possible! :)
     
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    It is really a pity n-wagens are not in the route
     
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    They don't run on the route. They're local-service coaches.
     
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    Well at least in 2013 and recent years before they did, at least as placeholders for Meridian services (alongside ÖBB City Shuttles as well), occasionally even on the RE Munich - Salzburg services.. (source: https://www.bahnbilder.de/?name=galerie&kategorie_id=3350&jahr=2013 )
    But likely only occasionally though. I railfanned at Vogl around 2008, 2009 someday where they were the standard rolling stock for RE and RB services back then.
    But no matter the actual accuracy I fear it's safe to say we will never see a TSW route with a mix of n-Wagen and Dostos despite AI only. Or a proper IC.
    It even took 3 austrian themed routes for a Taurus......
     
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    So from the preview stream it was mentioned that Rosenheim will see AI ICE services, but what about Salzburg Hbf?

    One other thing of note was when Matt was choosing the 101 service towards the end of the preview, the description showed the service as playable between Salzburg Hbf and Rosenheim, yet it started at Freilassing?

    One final question, DTG Alex can you confirm regarding the 628 how many services and the duration of each as this was not mentioned at all in the preview, thanks.
     
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    What if anything was said on the stream about the possibility of a Railjet set? Don’t tell me, “No plans…”
     
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    DTG Alex Senior Community Manager Staff Member

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    Hello everyone,

    I'll be closing off this thread and giving a few answers to questions that either weren't covered on the livestream or that I feel can be answered again.

    We had many questions answered live regarding the included content with Salzrbug-Rosenheim and many of the ones listed here too. I've timestamped the preview stream with key highlights only, due to the volume of questions we answered I haven't stamped specific questions & answers, so please feel free to skim through and you'll be able to find questions through the chat panel.

    Bahnstrecke Salzburg – Rosenheim Preview


    Q: What was the issue with pre-order and has this affected the launch at all?
    Earlier this week we decided to pause the planned pre-order on the Steam Store for this route, prior to it going live. This was because we identified a few issues with Scenarios on the route, and having the pre-order live would have locked us into a release date for which, at the time, we weren’t sure if we were able to keep.

    Since then, we are pleased to report that the issues, related to completing Scenarios, have been resolved, apart from one specific scenario. We are now looking into whether we can bring this specific scenario in a post-release update for players. At the moment we don't envisage changing our release date from Tuesday, 27th February.


    Q: What is the Mastery for this route?
    Matt has shared this image of the mastery of a steam loco at Chiemsee!

    upload_2024-2-23_13-35-3.png

    Q: Does the ICE 1 have services, even if it's just AI?
    The ICE 1 doesn't have any services, no - however the ICE 3 can be seen at Rosenheim

    Q: Can you use the BR 111 on other routes?
    At the moment the BR 111 only is used in timetable mode on Rosenheim, however, you can put it where you'd like using Free Roam!

    Q: What were the sound sources for the BR 111?
    They're based on the BR110 (since that is reality) and then with various new sounds replaced with recordings from the BR111 such as the Motor Fan, Compressor, Throttle and Horn.

    Q: Services with the BR 766.2 cab car as well?
    Yes, the 766 runs on Salzburg to Rosenheim and then goes off-world to München Hbf.

    Q: Did we create new scenery assets with this route?
    Yes - We had new scenery elements and buildings produced across the route!

    Q: Is the engine room accessible?

    No

    Q: Are n-Wagen in any form layered to the route?
    The n-Wagens don't run on this route.

    Q: How many 628 services are there, and what is the duration of each?
    Without an exact figure, Matt has shared an estimate of ~30 services from looking over his list (If I can confirm an exact number, I will update this message.)
    In terms of the times, either 4 minutes for the Traunstein-Hufschlag services (which are marked as "Trainstein to waging") or there are some slightly longer - "Landshut to Salzburg" or "Muhldorf to Salzburg" which are 13-15 minutes each and run from Freilassing to Salzburg.


    Q: Are there any plans for a RailJet?
    I appreciate there have been many requests and questions about this, right now (as many of you have come to expect) we won't be sharing any details on our plans for any unannounced add-ons coming out in the future. That being said, I will say that we hear the demand, and in the meantime keep an eye over the roadmap & announcements for any updates on upcoming releases :)
     
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