Who Thinks Tsw 5 Is Coming This Year?

just so you guys understand why I am so... kinda laid back about this, here are my hrs in TSW 2+3+4

TSW 4 hrs are a tiny bit inflated as there had been a couple times when I left the game running (paused) to take a little nap break, and ended up sleeping many hrs

 

I gave up being bothered about such things years ago.

 

It might come with a new feature hump yards like the TSC Rangierbahnhof Hamburg Maschen. The red button inside the control tower stops 294s 363s and 365s

 

Yes, I'll sure keep my eye on Berninaline. But not at full price. Then again: Easter Sales are coming ...

 

Probably too early to expect a discount on that one. 40% off in the summer sale maybe.

 

Yeah I really want the Railjet, and Wien station haha.

 

I've lost all my illusions with DTG. And people without illusions can wait.
Berninaline does look tempting, but the route is too short and so will be my wallet.

And yet, we've seen TSW4 considerably discounted only after a few months. Sales figures might not be that pretty, and hiding new routes behind the #4 paywall might not have been the smartest move.

We'll see.

 

yep... I mean, I thoroughly admire the genius behind some of Vienna's transport hubs - Wien Hbf has 10 platforms overground, continuation as Autoreisezug, one or two yards, 2 underground platforms for S-Bahn/REX, an underground tram stop (18), Hauptbahnhof Ost stop at the end of regular platforms (D), more trams from one or two sides, and buses at the former Sudtiroler Platz Busterminal... Praterstern... Mitte... Hutteldorf... Lainzer and Wienerwald highspeed tunnels... ok lets stop here before this turns into another of my Vienna is great transport city kind of gushing post

 

Same here regarding Bernina. I’ve got the cab ride DVD, MSTS version and TSC combined version. So what earthly reason would I want to pay other than bargain basement price for half a route which, from what I’ve read, while a cut above usual Rivet standards is still only just over half the line and has a number of issues which we know from past experience will be a miracle if the developer acknowledges them, let alone fixes!

 

By modernised I meant TOD4, new signalling, new assets etc. I know they don't have the license anymore, but last time I checked, expanding it wouldn't need a license as that's not governed by those.

 

Expanding it would, as it was said recently that stations are included in the license since GWR own the stations on that line.

 

There is always a sale on at DFS, SCS, or whatever big furniture stores are around these days.... So i mean, you could buy in bulk and save big.

 

and you can always use a Taurus/Vectron or two to haul it in parts

 

GWR own nothing on that route. They are the custodians of the stations providing station staff and signage. You do not need licences to add stations into a game just need to remove branding within station limits. You could create generic signage for Greenford branch, as most of it isn't branded anyway..

Also there are no stations on the Brentford branch or Colnbrook branch.

 

I'm just saying what DTG have said. They can't add more stations without a license, was what was said specifically in reference to GWR extension just the other day in the WSR thread.

 

As long as TSW5 doesn't downgrade my existing collection (like how some TSW2 preseverd content have bugs present in their TSW4 versions that weren't there in TSW2), I have little to no objections to a new TSW5 game.

Although, since I'm not looking forward reinstalling my ever growing collection, I'd prefer a Rush Hour-alike expansion.

 

We'll see if that bar can be exceeded (by myself I mean)

 

Anyone else ever read a thread on here and think "Is this an unpleasable community?"

I can't help thinking that even a release that hit 100% of everything, was offered for free, had ten years of free updates, and had every train, and inch of rail laid since the dawn of Time would still get....


"Ooh but it's too busy and my potato burns and crashes"

"I can't seem to find where I am in the world and I've lost my train"

"The velour on the seat is the wrong fabric weave"

"I have every feature I've ever wanted but this 12metres of scenery ran far better in tsw2."

"Why was it free, I now have nothing to refund"


If tsw5, 7, 82 release so be it. We're all lucky to wake up each day to play it, let alone cynically whinge about every twist and turn the game takes.

Next moaning post? I propose, track.ballast stones are wrong diameter so let's refund?

 

With your holy permission: I'd like to be really pissed about recently broken BASIC functionalities like missing cameras or sticky HUDs that won't go away after the Winter Core "Up"date. Apart from sticky yellow (in #3) and orange (in #4) NEWNEWNEWNEWNEWNEWNEWNEW banners.

May I?

I mean, if they can't get THAT right ...

 

I really don't see how anyone can say this when Blackpool, Niddertalbahn, and the G6 are damn near universally beloved. And it's not like you couldn't be picky with them if you really wanted to, there's even decade old games you can get that are visually way more stunning and provide tons of content for a fraction the price of any of those packs. Yet everyone here seems to have a basic understanding the just because Blackpool isn't on par with GTAV or The Last of Us in every regard doesn't mean it isn't worthy of praise.

 

Exactly, yes there are issues but even small things, single texture platforms in older routes vs the more interesting textures on newer ones.


The games progressed substantially in visuals, and in my own singular opinion, gameplay.

Edited to help Mich with my terrible grammar. Note to myself, don't type messages early, note to Mich, remember , you could trigger a neurodiverse person...

 

Ok, I don't normally get on grammar, but I seriously don't have a single clue what on earth you mean by "the more interesting in newer", please work on that.

The former to a extent, albeit don't think anywhere near enough to justify forcing players to pay bi-yearly/yearly for. ETS2 & ATS have advanced more visually with free updates than TSW has with paid ones. And as far as gameplay goes I struggle to see any real advancements, Blackpool's a solid route, but you're still fundamentally doing the same thing anyone who's played NTP has. Just one example, but I could point to any variety of US, German, or modern UK content and say the same thing.

Frankly I'm also confused why you said it has progressed "in my own singular position", that's just weird to qualify. Whether something has progressed is something you should be able to objectively judge, I don't have to say that a RTX 4090 can out preform a GTX 1090 "in my opinion", that's just a objective fact that can be proven.

 

Unless you bought that RTX4090 on AliExpress, because that would probably just burn your house down.

 

It's probably similar to the situation Microsoft had when adding backwards compatibility to modern XBoxes. Every single game needed a new wrapper to run inside for the emulator, and that meant changing the code ever so slightly, which counted under the terms of the contract as a reissue of the game, even if nothing within the game itself was changed, meaning licensing negotiations had to be resumed with every single publisher, meaning a notable chunk of the XBox 360 and OG XBox back catalogues, notably a bunch of orphaned works where the IP rights are in limbo, could not be updated to work under the XBox backwards compatibility mode. Presumably even so much as updating the lighting would require replacing the GWR stock with genericised lookalikes.

 

Well, if you see how some users here are working hard to give DTG the impression that we all immediately and absolutely want to have TSW5 this year, you shouldn't be surprised if DTG fulfills our irrepressible desire for TSW5.

 

All I'll say is, be careful what you wish for.

 

Guess 50% will come out and 50% not

 

Perhaps you need to understand though that there are individuals who do have valid complaints and don't just moan for the sake of doing so like you and some others seem to think. That doesn't make it unpleasable just because you don't like seeing (often valid) criticisms. If the posts were positive, you wouldn't even be saying that.

Who in the world would complain if the game was free? If it was free for existing users, there wouldn't have been the massive backlash that tsw4 got when it was launched. ATS/ETS and TSC have free updates and nobody complains about that.

In your view the game has gotten better in terms of gameplay. In my view and others, the gameplay is mostly the same. Timetable runs are usually the same with not much variation due to the game not having random events. Livery Designer 2.0 and Scenario Planner 2.0 have some improvements but the gameplay experience is mostly how it was when it launched.

People who critique the game are the ones that want to see it be better which does benefit those that do not have any issues as well because if DTG were to take on the feedback and implement improvements, then it is a win for everyone as everyone would get improvements. To dismiss them as just people doing it for the sake of doing so is wrong and frankly chidlish

 

In all honesty I’ve always preferred the TSC method of iterations (not played it just I’m aware of how it works in that department) so will probably be always against another iteration for the sake of iteration if there isn’t something large enough to warrant one

From my perspective my main priority with TSW is the need to see a certain issue sorted out before anymore purchases (dlc or iterations both included) yes some dlc doesn’t have this issue but it worries me that my other pieces with the issue could be left and I need to think on them. It may not be a dealbreaker for everyone but it is for me, particularly noticed this myself in that every other issue I used to notice previously looks less priority to me now.

If a TSW5 releases and that issue is unresolved then I have zero plans to carry on to it, also will be “displeased” (as a calm answer) in it being left in TSW4 (3&2 before that…) and thus either my TSW run is over for me or essentially needing to pay for whatever iteration fixes that issue (still only a possibility as it stands) I have confidence/hope it will be resolved (Q&A streams of November and February have been positive to this in particular)

If the issue is resolved then I will be reverting back to my usual stance on iterations (the first paragraph basically) (though as usual if something interests me with a new iteration I’m very likely to buy in, not pleased it had to be an iteration when that happens but what’s done is done at that point, it’s buy up, stay or end) and as with DLC I would be looking back to what I want to pick up, which in fairness is looking like a fair chunk I’m quite gutted to be holding back on (but needs must)

that’s my current stand on TSW and iterations summed up

 

if DTG make tsw5 i guessing the TSW pc editor will work and people making content in tsw4 will work in tsw5. it would not be smart if they make tsw5 and content only work in tsw4 untill they released a tsw5 patch.
personally i don't think dtg should make tsw5 game this soon. give it 2 to 3 years.

 

they will be releasing like 4 or 5 new routes plus like 2 locos/trains in coming months, so I believe TSW4 will stay a while before they do another gen

plus Formation Designer they need to get that working to move on I believe

 

I really don’t mind the idea of the TSW ‘new’ releases, usually you get a lot of content for a lot less than they would cost individually. They are also usually the longer routes we get in TSW.

From current pricing, AVL, VBERG, ECML, FS & Vectron would have cost me £120 I didn’t even pay half of that.

The logistics of the new bundles are the problem though. I don’t have all content for TSW but my current size for the game is at like 200GB. It’s not much fun to have to redownload it all once a year. Every time the new version comes out it usually breaks something backwards, along with not allowing you to access older content for a week or two (which kills some of the magic off in the new routes).

 

at my current place, the connection is like 45 Mbit/s, if I hook up the cable, 300, but I dont have a permanent way to get it across that small living room and under the door without ppl tripping over it ... so when TSW4 came out, and I had to download both 3 and 4, for my progress to transfer, I hooked up the cable

and then, a week or two ago, my SSD just died suddenly, so I had to redownload TSW4 again... so I basically started the download before I left for work so I could play it when I get back home

aaaand yeah, mine is like 180GB now... Rosenheim Salzburg, Semmeringbahn, Goblin Line and San Bernardino Line are coming... so, another 20 or so GB, plus potential loco DLCs... damn I better hurry getting a new SSD

 

Suspension too, if DTG plan to keep their promises, but also do a TSW 5, they got a lot to do in the next few months.

Hopefully after trialling this one year release they realised they can’t really sustain it. Rush Hour put them in the same predicament & to this day there are still open wounds & bygone promises from that. We better not get a repeat with TSW 4.

 

First of all the things you have listed nobody is complaining about. You are acting like people are complaining about a screw missing in the rails. No.
People are complaining about animations, sounds, timetables, physics, route length, price per mile, stock provided with routes, UI bugs, signal visuals.

Not sure if you are aware but atleast one festure that was meant to come with TSW4 STILL isnt here how many months later. Do i not have to right to complain about that? I payed £40 for TSW4 and I didnt even get the features PROMISED. Suspension was in the 0-3month category. Its been well over 3 months. It was pushed into a winter core update. Then pushed into part 2 of the winter core update. And now its vanished into thin air. No updates, no statements nothing we have just been left in the dark.

If you buy something and it doesnt come the way it was promised or is meant to be you have every right to complain. If you see nothing wrong with the sim I urge you to book an appointment at your local specsavers.

People wouldnt complain about yearly releases if something actually changed. I had TSW3 and noe have TSW4 and I can confidently say the only difference I have noticed is the UI and loading screen. Those are not worth £40.

DTG are so out of touch with their community when it comes to what they want. And im not talking about stock or routes SIMPLE bug fixes still havent been fixed. The 801s still all have the same number, motors are STILL extremely quiet, doors STILL open and close way too fast, door chimes are STILL too quiet.

 

I would say it's definitely not coming to a PC near me, regardless whether it's called TSW5.

 

This was a real issue last time. Despite having a fairly fast Broadband connection, it was a day and a half before everything downloaded, verified and ready to play. Pointed out at the time but ignored by DTG that it needed some sort of routine to copy content from TSW3 then apply whatever changes TSW4 required. Probably because it was easier to throw the onus on the end user than take the time to work out a copy and patch routine with Steam.

 

TSW never needed a 2, 3, or 4. Everything added in these releases could have been put into TSW2020 as TSW2021, 2022, and so on. That is exactly what TS Classic did for 15 years. If you didn't want the new routes but want the new features and the option of buying them later, TS Classic gives you that option, and so did TSWHH becoming TSW, then TSW2020. The name of the EXE is still TS2Prototype, likely a remenent of TSW CSX HH being developed. Before you say that UE updates would have been a problem, halfway through TSW2 we went from 4.23 to 4.26. The editor which only just came out was first promised 5 years ago before it was even called TSW2020. TSW2 only added livery designer and scenerio editor and probably a few other things, both of which could have been in TSW2020(1). TSW3 added a training centre, which is a built in route and also could have been in TSW2020(2). TSW4 added an editor that was promised 5 years ago, an update to livery designer and scenario editor that was also promised 2 years ago and probably some other stuff. The point is that none of these paid updates were needed. They could have been released as TSW2021, 2022, 2023, and so on. TS Classic as said above did that for 15 years. Every paid upgrade was released as a cash grab. It was either fork up £30, or stay on a outdated version without support. Since TSW3, I now wait a few months before buying to see if it is even worth it and if promised updates are released. I am willing to bet that the TSW3 updates that to my knowledge still have not been released will be cancelled in summer with the same"we really wanted to make these but we like money" announcement that happened to the TSW2 updates. And when TSW5 releases, TSW4 will meet the same fate as the last 2 games. TLDR: Dovetail are greedy

 

i guess TSW 5 will have UE5 and DLSS /FSR
not only why UE5 and TSW 5 have the same number xD
if so i would be very happy btw

cheers

 

I wouldn't bet against it!

 

Not supporting older gen consoles it won’t

 

I wonder what the salespitch will be this time? The disappeared Editor V2 from the August 2023 roadmap?

 

This is subjective only to what you have noticed right, not that there is no difference (regardless of perceived value between the two).

 

I'm similar, with another 780 odd in TSw4

 

with new routes coming, it is going to skyrocket lol

 

I bleeding hope not. After TSW4 was announced, I am done with the 'new' TSW games.

 

I wouldn't mind if TSW 5 comes. I wouldn't mind TSW 4 if it doesn't come with these aweful routes they force me to buy. Sell me the core game for a reasonable price AND I decide wich route and addon I buy for it. Do not bundle it with LOVE and give it a good price and I'm on board. (And by now please with cherry on top solve some of the pressing issues with it before you release a new version)

 

Bernina is still quite a long drive due to restrictive speed limits on most of the line. With the stunning scenery that is a good thing.

 

I hope when it does come there are dedicated versions for pc and consoles that are kept separate. Then pc players don’t have to have their routes held back because of consoles lack of comparable memory.

 

I don’t understand how GWR, which is just another private franchise, can own anything other than their rolling stock and the right to use network rail facilities and track on the route they have franchise access to. If they lose their franchise one day then the stations will just continue as is, whilst GWR rolling stock will vanish, such as happened to Virgin Trains.