How Do We All Think Rivet Will Do With The 170s For Fife Circle Line?

Just wanna hear what other people's opinions are. Personally I don't want them to mess it up lol

 

Visually, it'll be spectacular. How it operates....., well I'm sure it'll be spectacular to look at lol

 

No real faith they have learned lessons from their previous mess ups. If they had...

The 150/2 on WCL would have received a proper fix.
The Swiss loco on Arosa wouldn't leap forward like a racehorse out of the starting gate on cracking open the throttle.
The RABE thing on the Sursee Line would have working ETCS.
The 484 on IOW 2022 wouldn't accelerate like maverick's F14 in Top Gun or sound like a Ford Transit on full power.

 

I too am not particularly confident after my experience with the 150/2 and the 385. Of course I hope they do a great job and I am sure that, as Marc says, it will look the part, but in life looks aren't everything and the performance means just as much.

 

I want to believe they’ll do the 170 justice but realistically unless DTG help I don’t think it’ll drive and/or sound how it should since the sounds are tied to the physics. It doesn’t matter how good the sounds are if they don’t work with the physics of the train.

Hopefully they’ve learned from the 150

 

There has been a clear pattern of improvement between their releases, so I'm expecting it to be their best yet.

 

It's going to be bad... After Edinburgh Engineering DLC, the Class 150, Class 385, the RABe523 and everything else they've screwed-up and never bothered to fix, I have zero confidence they'll improve.

 

Can't be worse than the 150, hopefully they've learned that the GSMR does not control the PIS

 

I'm hopefull, at least Rivet are trying new things with each release.

We got the TMS with the 385 and manual announcements, and then the Bernina loco with auto announcements.

At least it's more than DTG have done recently.

 

betting odds stand against but the games not over till release day.

that’s my thoughts only each developer can do the changes for a reputation.

 

I remember the horrors when Edinburgh - Glasgow was first released. So many tweaks were needed fast. I remember the signal lights being too dull. Hopefully FCL isn’t a buggy mess. Especially as this is my favourite route (besides Edinburgh - Dundee).

I just hope Rivet actually surprise this time around. Yes probably being too hopeful with past releases. To be fair though Bernina Line wasn’t too bad so maybe. With the roadmap coming up in just over a week hopefully we get a fresh batch of new screenshots and an update on how it’s coming along.

 

People always say this, but honestly, there really weren't any major issues with EDN, it's still a great route. It's let down by the minor issues with the choice of train, and sound issues. But the biggest issue was the introduced NS bug that still lurks.

Rivet are good at modeling, routebuilding and scenarios, but just need a helping hand on physics.

 

Until they fix the 150 I will not be purchasing anything from this company

 

They'll do a smashing job with it.

It's not that hard to model, and it had a distinctive sound.

 

I think the model is gonna be 100/10 and the sounds will be the let down. But lets hope theh have learnt from their previous mistakes

 

distinctive seems to mean it needs to be right more than generally right, modelling isn’t usually an issue however.

 

Would Rivet model both the first class and non-first class configurations like they did for the Class 385? The majority of the fleet should still have first class areas fitted except for the small Class 170/3 subclass they currently operate.

 

I’m prepared to give them the benefit of doubt on the basis that they are slowly improving. But I’ll still let others buy it first! Our Scottish members reception should tell us a lot.

 

I can’t say I am particularly confident either but we’ll see I suppose.

Please someone tell me they saw some sort of indirect dirtiest, even if not meant by the author. Otherwise I think I had better get myself checked out!!!

Either way I must admit I chuckled!!

 

Even Rivet can't screw-up painting a yellow line and big number 1 on the side of a train.

Wait, who am I kidding?

It'll be a green line with a huge number 6

 

I have little faith. Rivet is very bad at this and even worse at fixing things. You hardly ever see Jasper in the DTG forums (unlike employees from other developers like Just Trains or even Skyhook). They just don’t seem to give a damn about the overall quality of their work. Which is a shame because their modelling teams are quite competent.

 

They're much more active on their own forums. Bearing in mind they are a small team and Jasper isn't the main community manager.

 

I’m not buying it until the reviews are out. I just simply don’t trust Rivet. If this train doesn’t have any physics applied like the 385 I won’t be purchasing it. That train just feels wrong when playing with it.

 

The best train rivet have done so far is definitely the 484s, the sounds aren't all that bad and the modelling is quite exceptional. Worst is the 150/2 definitely. I hope they have learnt from their mistakes and can make the 170 as best as they can. Let's all hope for the best and never doubt anything!!!

 

I just hope they can finally fix the 150 but I doubt they will.

Have they mentioned using Armstrong powerhouse for the sound again? Would make a lot of sense if they can do an arrangement.

 

As mentioned, if they had of gone back and repaired the awful 150 sounds then that would of given me faith they would do a better job on the 170, I can't comment on the Scottish route and the 385 as I swerved it and by all accounts, I'm glad I did. I too will be waiting to see reviews and video's first.

 

I won't mind if they use the 170 sounds from train simulator 2015 or something, armstrong powerhouse would be great though

 

This Discussion is interesting, because Rivet is very well aware what "hot iron" they touched. In fact if they get it done very well, the chances of a 150/1, 153, 155/156 are might be high.

 

I think it’s pretty much expected that DTG, Rivet & Skyhook etc will use AP sounds if they exist. Why go though the effort of scheduling recording trips when there are pretty good sounds you could get from fellow developers?

 

It's all in the mixing and application no matter how good the sound source is. If they can't match the nuances and levels to the real train output in Simugraph, we end up with a mess like the 150/2 or even some of DTG's own in house efforts like the DB642, Class 700 and Azuma.

 

I expect them to make a right hash of it. There is no way in hell the Rivet 170 will be anywhere near good enough.

• The Class 170 is a very nice sounding unit, among my favourite in the country. Even if they get AP sounds, they will almost certainly be mixed terribly, and generally train sounds in TSW sound worse than in TS because of the limitations with Unreal.
• Expect plenty of glitches.
• Expect it to work haphazardly with 14x and 15x units which they can work with in reality. I'd be surprise if it works flawlessly with the 158 being made by Skyhook for the route itself, let alone anything else.
• Likely only one variant will be included, meaning that if you want to see the other three front designs you'll be out of luck. I don't even know if the units will have options for different lengths.
• Because of how many operators it has had, if another developer want the 170 in their route they'll need to work with Rivet to use their one. In effect, if they mess it up once, the TSW 170 (and probably Turbostar family as a whole) will be messed up.
• Because of the way TSW works, if they want to make a 168 or 171 later on, they will need to do quite a bit of work to get them accurate. 168s have the same coupler as 170s and Pacers/Sprinters but are not compatible with them, instead they are compatible with 16x units. 171s have completely different couplers but cannot truly work in multiple with other Dellner-equipped units.
• Expect one interior variant - the Class 170 as an entire class has had many different interior variants with different seats, seating layouts, buffets, handrail designs, table designs, and more. Plus, the EMR Class 170 refurbishment is going to give them an entirely new interior, so if they want to have that in the future they'll need to do quite a bit of work.

TLDR: The Turbostar has so many variations and quirks that making one 170 will mean a lot of work in the future, and I seriously doubt that Rivet will be able to make the one variant they are doing any good anyway.
Even TLDR-er: Dud at launch.

 

Even TLDR-er-er
DOA...

 

You won't be buying anything else from them ever again then!

 

They definitely wont fix the 150 now, it is extremely outdated.

 

Because the sounds board works different in TSW than TSC it can make things complicated. It’s not as simple as just recording sounds and shoving them into the sim.

 

Didn't the 150 they developed use Armstrong powerhouse sounds but they completely mixed it incorrect ?

 

Yes, only accurate sounds for it is the idling, the brake sounds and the horn

 

To be fair it was outdated from the start, I don't think there's ever been a time when it was good.

In other words the sounds they didn't need to do much with!

IIRC the engine sounds are mostly or entirely based on the idling sound, just sped up or pitched up.

 

Just watched the 170 reveal rivet games posted. Sounds don't seem too bad. Only thing that needs improving are the engine revving up sound really. It didn't have that distinctive humming sound, hopefully they will sort that out whilst they are working in progress!

 

I also saw the preview, I’m not that knowledgeable about the 170 so before I make judgement I’ll watch a couple videos. Model looks good though.

 

Ok just took a closer inspection on rivet's 170. It should have triple light clusters, the numbering seems too stretched and out of place, the interior is a bit off, the cab door beeps when it shouldn't (it's a manual push pull door) and the most noticeable, the engine revving up is completely wrong. Come on Rivet, get your act together man!

 

Oh dear.

 

ScotRail has a mix of two (possibly three) of the four front designs for the 170 - that said I think you know more about me on this, does the number of the unit in the video refer to a unit that's meant to have a different front? If so I assume it would be easier to change the numbering of the train, although it wouldn't be the first time in TSW when the numbering of a train is wrong. As an example, the Class 377/1s in London to Brighton are just differently numbered /4s and should have various noticeable differences to them, but don't.

 

If Rivet couldn't even be bothered to change a coupler on a class 66, I seriously doubt they'll bother accurately modelling the cab ends on a class 170.

 

I just hope they fix the very noticable errors on it. Rivet seem to engage with their community but they dont really act on that engagement.

 

Hopefully they will be perfection and less of a car crash than the 150/2

 

Very true. High hopes they will improve the sounds for the 170!

 

Well the 150 could have been improved but it wasn't, I don't see much changing for the 170

 

You never know

 

I hope so because the 170 is a versatile unit and i wouldn't want to drive it if it sounds inaccurate.