Upcoming Release London Overground Suffragette Line - Coming Soon!

Really amazing!!! Can't wait

 

Hopefully

 

Yes, to be pedantic "full potential" would be having the whole route however, that is almost definitely not happening. Something that is entirely achievable though is having the train run on the part of the route represented in game, as it does in reality. That was the main point of my post.

 

I don’t follow American Football so I don’t know who Taylor Swift is but he sounds fast. *

Still, hopefully there will be a Game Pass discount for us Xbox users and I should be able to use £10 worth of Rewards Points so that’s half price.

* I don’t take credit for this. I read it online but I liked it

 

Can I just point out that Crouch End is not on this line as mentioned in DTG Alex’s description. Crouch Hill, however, is. Thank You.

 

I don’t know, I’m somewhat looking forward to this ones. As an American who’s never even been to the UK, from the outside looking in, it looks very appealing. Me not being a local is a good thing I suppose… if the route isn’t wholly accurate then it won’t bother me too much since I’m not familiar with it to begin with…

 

Yes, I watched a cab ride and monotonous it is. And it may be short but it takes forever to get from start to finish. Most of it was at 30 mph.or less.

To be honest it's more of a long bus ride than a short rail journey. The near silent train and track doesn't help. And, from the PR article, I fear I wouldn't be able to drive it after sunset.

I wish DTG would get away from this exclusively commuter rail trip they're on. But I guess it's popular so we are where we are I guess.

 

That's pretty much the impression I got playing the TSC version and that had the noisy Class 172 to add interest. Effectively it's another Glossop Line but even that had a couple of sections where you could get up to 60 MPH for a ways.

 

Looking forward to this one.

Always enjoy an urban setting for my train-simming.

Makes me wish for the ECML southern terminus even more now- maybe for TSW5 or 6 lol.

 

Looking forward to driving a Class 710 a train we haven't driven before in a Train Sim

 

As I said in the discussion thread it is a very uninspiring route, at a very uninspiring price personally. If you take away the time stopped from the overall run time (and my mental maths serves me well) you are only doing an average speed of about 26mph! Some may well enjoy it, however I would do a run each way, start another run and think sod this I'll go and do a run on one of my favourites, like BPO/ECML/MML, and never return, leaving it Goblin up space on the computer.

 

I'm not sure who sets the prices for these things but they could at least be consistent. £25 was how much TSW 2 cost which came with 3 routes and several pieces of rolling stock, now £25 gets you 13 miles lmao. It's getting worse every year but I think the TEA wagon for £10 was the worst offender. Can we please stop with the stocking filler routes and get something with a little more meat on the bone? Something worthy of investment that I can spend tons of hours in doing a variety of services like BPO?

 

Iterations are always different, TSW4 was £35 or £40, same with 3 (I forget which) instead of £90

as the for the rest, a typical route is £29.99 and they sometimes put it lower for certain reasons.

 

YES! Finally!

 

OK but why are iterations different? Why was TSW 2 so much cheaper than 3 and 4?

 

Matt said that Peak Forest sales were disappointing and determined that the major focus of the user base is in more modern trains. He also implied that third parties may be the ones to focus on steam going forwards, as investment over return on Steam would not viable

 

As has been said Peak Forest's sales were low due to DTG's appalling attempt of steam, the omission of era appropriate diesels, the abysmal timetable, the route having nonsensical start/end points along with various other factors which have been well documented. On the other hand BPO has been one of, if not the, most well received thread on here and by reviews I have seen and believe it or not it is a route set in the 80s.

Edit: I thought this were the steam abandonment thread, as I got a ping from that one too, so you will have to go there to see the other factors as to why PFR didn't take off from the start, and is probably best not to continue this in this thread.

 

I don't think DTG had a clue what to do regarding Steam, they should've just started small with a little tank engine for WSR and then build from that, not dive headfirst into a busy mainline with only 2 trains

 

And then abandon that mainline

 

Suppose either profit/price rises over time, or development costs, or a mix. Rush hour went up they stated due to the extra time taken to get it out.

3 was also the point general dlc rises so probably the same thing why, every dlc/iteration went up.

iterations are different as they are game bundles, it’s not really a new game if it’s one route it’s just another dlc, thankfully I don’t think they want to straight up put a price tag of £90 among other reasons I’m probably missing.

i don’t exactly know the reasons they don’t do it all the time (every 3 dlcs be sold as 1 basically) maybe it’s not profitable to continue it non stop or perhaps more profitable not to, that’s complex financial and decisions to make that I’m not privy to.

 

As per the other thread It’ll be dull as watching white paint dry, not for me at all.

 

Those types of routes like goblin line exist so why should they not make it? That means they shouldn't create all other routes that are on the short end. Dtg have to cater to everyone, not just one type of person. If you don't like the route, don't buy it

 

I agree

as much as that would be nice it’s not true, they make what they think will sell well, what you are saying is quite a train enthusiast view and not reality unfortunately. Though there current market does allow some variety, it’s not for the sake of variety but the fact it can sell.

 

[EDIT - Jan - Quarrelsome]

 

Can't wait for this definitely getting

 

Shorter routes have their place but I think the price should better reflect that. Saying don't like it don't buy it is not helpful

 

Yeah I don't get the hate I actually like it personally

 

Shorter routes are indeed fine. I would happily have paid £25 or even £30 for the Ffestiniog Railway or my pet hobbyhorse, Blackpool Tramway especially if they came with two new rolling stock assets. So it’s horses for courses, but the Goblin Line after refreshing my knowledge of it in TSC just does not come into that category. If DTG want to do these “stocking filler” routes between larger projects then fine, but when using their own LAMP process I honestly can’t see how the Goblin Line got a green light. And yes it also comes down to pricing. If this had been pitched at sub £20, I might have given it a shot but £25 does not give value for money. I have several routes wishlisted for TSC including the ECML north of Newcastle, JT’s Midland Line and Hope Valley extension all of which give far more bang for the buck.

Rethink your pricing on this one DTG. Bring it down to £18 or £20 and you’ll get a lot more sales and foster far more good feeling in your customer base. A happy customer is more amenable to buying something else later on!

 

Route looks brilliant from the article screenshots, almost certainly a day one purchase for me.

 

I’m very much looking forward to this as I like the version in TSC. I also like shorter routes that I can do a full run quickly after work.

In my opinion if they do the city scenery well and with a new train included, I will get sufficient value for money out of this.

Not day one unless there’s a pre order discount. I’m still bitter about the quality of Maintalbahn and wish I’d waited. But if feedback suggests this is the same quality as Salzburg, then I’ll get it the following weekend.

 

l like shorter routes and would happily pay £30 or even more for Severn Valley. 16 miles of bliss and wonderful looking stations.

 

Since nobody asked, here are my thoughts.
Sometimes you only have half an hour to play and a short run is all you need. Like Glossop this will be ideal.
If it's DTG's intent to cover all routes eventually, then they have to produce all routes at some point (hopefully the Liberty Line will come bundled with some thing else).
The 710 should be fun to run on other routes in scenario planner if you're not fussed about reality.
While we'd all like to pay £20 or less for a route, the extra fiver is where the staff are paid and where the money to develop new routes come from.
Finally, GOBLIN is and always was a nickname so it's the Suffragette Line for me and GOBLIN if you prefer. Makes me think of David Bowie every time I hear it mentioned
Ah don't lean on me man, cause you can't afford the ticket
I'm back from Suffragette City

 

To be fair, I'm going to blasting that on Spotify when I get my first drive of the route

 

Another London route. Great if you're from London and the south. Not so interesting if you're from up North .

 

You don't have to buy every single dlc. Dtg isn't forcing you to. So basically if you don't like the type of route, don't buy it and save some money

 

That's not a good reasoning to do there. People here like trains, alot even. Imagine I live near the Goblin line and I like it a lot... Pretty excited to buy it in my game and play it ! But no the quality isn't very good, some services aren't there and the route doesn't represent a good portion of the London Overground... People want to buy, of course while woudn't I buy something that I like in real life in game ?? But no even if the IRL route interest you in the game it's boring, bland and dull. That's why people don't buy route, not because the theme is bad. Even if DTG seem to think the opposite as showed with BR Blue and Steam...

 

You're not listening to what I'm saying

 

So, clearly you didn't read his post:

 

Of course it's helpful. Saves you money.

Talking won't change the route.

 

Taylor Swift is a she, and she doesn't play football, she makes records. But her boyfriend is a major football star (Travis Kelce), and she attends all his games and gets loads of camera time.

 

perhaps the key feature for TSW5 has been found.

 

If the majority of the route is less than 30mph think of the possibilities we could have had. A heritage line or something similar as you say!

Thrashing a small loco on a heavy train up the hill out of Kingscote towards East Grinstead on the Bluebell (although doing that without steam wouldn't really work), the beautiful line that is Severn Valley! Or as Vern says up the side of a welsh mountain or twisting through the beautiful Welsh countryside!

 

Or a GWR steam engine out of Kingswear to Paignton, hearing it working hard up the incline on a sunny day, fantastic

 

I am excited for this one. I always wanted a London Overground one. I hope they do a good job including branding, TfL fonts, etc as they did with Bakerloo. In fact I remember at least one station in Bakerloo had overground branding too. I am not even from the UK but TfL has its own look that needs to be done right.

As for route length. Meh. I don't mind shorter routes when they have good stations, a decent amount of stations, urban scenery, and give you the entire real life route in one package. Some short routes are boring but I will try this one and see. If it is a short route in real life this replicates the real thing and you can keep going back and forth like a real driver on it if you want longer runs. Bakerloo was only 14 miles with a lot of it undergound and still one of the most fun/unique routes (especially since the timetable update).

Long routes have their place but people also complain about those too (often because they don't give you the "entire" service just one end point or, like ECML get criticized for being from "nowhere to nowhere" and boring stretches).

Thinking about "dollar per mile" when it comes to route value is really backwards IMO. Long doesn't = good always.

 

And that all sounds dreadfully boring to me- it's almost like there are nearly as many opinions about what makes a good route as there are options on what to build.

Sarcasm aside, i don't envy the people who make the decisions about what routes to build- it's a thankless responsibility and no matter what they decide it's gonna make somebody angry lol.

Personally, i think we have enough pastoral countryside in the game to last several lifetimes- i'd be happy if every route going forward was an urban setting! But, see, i realize that would make a lot of people miserable!

 

Most of the routes are usually the suburbs or countryside. It's nice to have a route set within a city as we don't get that often.

 

whats that old adage?…..oh yeh….”you cant please all the people all of the time”

 

When I first saw the images of the BR Class 710, reminds me the DB BR 1442! (Rapid Transit and other several routes (Dresden Riesa etc.). Mainly the front end.




Searching for information..., I found both trains were built by Bombardier Transportation.
Everything is clear now.

 

Yes I know. It was a joke - not one of mine as I said and clearly not a very good one. I’ll go and shake it off now.