Creation Sharing Salzburg - Rosenheim New Timetable

As some of you might know I have been working on an updated timetable for SRH after being inspired by the DRA upgrade by mkraehe. Since most of the modern trains are missing I will be making the real 2013 timetable and enhancing the freight yards whilst I'm at it with some more real local freight and making salzburg as busy as it used to be. For now a few vehicles are not entirely worked out yet but this here is what I have planned. I hope that after the 1116 maybe some cityjet coaches or a Railjet get released or announced to really add the real stuff and not have a spam of 4024's everywhere. But that's for a later announcement.
I am trying to get the entirety of the AI services in too and will probably add a Freight like stop at Rosenheim for the EC, EN and RJ services to let the AI drive through as they should but give the player the chance to play the service. Any suggestions are welcome.
A more convoluted chaos of epilepsy is the morning in Salzburg Regionalverkehr. Incoming services that end in Salzburg missing now because I am working down the list of everything that departs Salzburg first. The amount of ending services also means a decent amount of ECS and shunting jobs, it looks like Salzburg storage yard can be accessed by free roam in my test so I might as well use that.
As a side project to make the timetable a bit easier I also tried to copy the kursbuch and make it the 2013 one. I might see if it works if I can add it to the stations somewhere on the map. for now it helps understanding the EN splits a lot. I'm unsure if I should leave it as a gap between Rosenheim and München or if I should put those stations back in.

Freight is something I'll need some help with when I get to there. I have no clue how well dovetail's rendition is apart from some very apparent missing class 77 and 363 shunting movements towards the trash center past freilassing hofham.

That's the progress for now. I want to get most of this finished before I start to add trains I'll need to replace again later so apart from some findings about freight there won't be many updates soon apart from I suppose some milestones. but I will be able to check here often for any suggestions, ideas or discussions.

 

you could use the Talent 2 for the Flirt services

 

I was thinking of using the actual flirt from the Luzern - Sursee route. Although that thing only has ETCS and the swiss safety system so would probably not be allowed to drive on a PZB bit. with a reskin you'll have the actual AI trains at least and make due with driving the few S4's that do go to Salzburg in the start and end of the day. I haven't seen a single S4 as AI so I'm interested with track 96 and 97 not being built yet how busy I can get freilassing. The westbahn I'm still really unsure of, but I hope I can force liveries on trains like hannah did with her metronom and NJ coaches. no clue how I'd do that but that's something I'll find out later.

 

Really cool Projekt. I think in the tables you show you mean BR 628 instead of BR 682. How will you realize RJ Services?

 

ah yeah that's a typo then. keep making that mistake. BR 628 it is. Railjet I am thinking either for now the 1116 with IC coaches from semmeringbahn hopefully with a forced livery on them. But seeing how many people want a RJ ingame and how DTG acknowledge the request I expect it to be ingame before I'm finished. The services will be as freight is ingame now if I can realise that. meaning as AI they will drive through rosenheim without stopping but for a player operated service I'll give it a minute or 30 seconds as a stop. or just to stop there without opening the doors. you slow down anyways and might be able to simulate a crew change then. I feel like it's a waste to make all of those AI only. For the promised 4 EC services for the 1116 I expect there to be a few more in game from all the ones I am putting in the sheet at the moment. and the 1116 will also be used as a freight loco.

 

I've seen that you're not sure what to use for the westbahn services and I would say that the Stadler Flirt from Luzern-Sursee is the best option, since it's the same vehicle with just one floor less. I'd also use it for the S4 since it would be the most realistic and maybe someone would be ready to make repaints for both services...

 

A 6 car FLIRT in westbahn colors would be a good option in my opinion. might be possible. I tested the WEST 9500 to Freilassing becoming the WEST 9509. apart from deleting some paths because the signaller did stupid it drove to timetable expectations. I had it not stop at Mülln-Altstad and Aiglhof because I thought it skipped those but seeing the time it probably stopped there too. the drive confirmed that.
I noticed going from Salzburg Mülln-Altstad to Salzburg Hbf you switch to the left crossing over the outbound line and then go back instead of the perfectly normal straight line into track 8. If I am to add trains I'll need to investigate that since all the S-Bahn services do it too. But since I have no track plan for what train stopped where that's gonna be a problem for when I get to know the service pattern inside out. Gave the EN mess in the morning a look today and wow that is some wonderful shunting with 1116's for those who like that. I also came up with an easter egg I'll call LEO for now.

 

Well I didn't expect to have another update so soon but here we are. Played the EC 115 service today because with all the research I do need to enjoy playing still. but, for some reason it did manage to go through from salzburg Mülln-Altstad to track 8 like normal operation. I don't think there was an update so either the freight and s bahn timetables are broken or the dispatcher is just straight up not very smart. Hope it's something I can fix when there are also REX and Westbahn services driving there. But, speaking of fernverkehr. I had some free time to I took the liberty to get at least the EC and Westbahn services figured out.
I wonder how well this will be readable for the forum but we will see ig. all the inbound trains ending at Salzburg and the München - Kufstein trains passing through Rosenheim is something I'm working on too. 156 total services with probably 150 I will add because some are conflicting weekend services I left in to not accidentally add a weekend train at the same time as a workday service.

For service updates. I found out most EN services do have a betriebshalt in Rosenheim so will definetely be playable. RJ are only two that actually stop at Rosenheim but I feel like it's a waste adding all those and not having them playable. I am trying to look into the RHTT seasonal train services idea because the 69000 services from DB ran from Salzburg to Prien am Chiemsee and back for some reason unaware to me for now. and it sounds like a fun thing to spice up the services. there is an entire few months there where some trains get changed so if it isn't too difficult either a seasonal difference or I'll just change the times of a few trains to create a second timetable. Also am really wondering what the deal is with those two freight trains behind each other at freilassing and why dovetail did that. Plus the IC/RE Köningssee for some reason reverses the coaches up the mountain. I'll of course let the 101 run around like it does irl. would you guys like the run around train as an extra service, or included in the Rosenheim - Freilassing service maybe with an added brake test if I can manage that?

Lastly if anyone has some more local knowledge about freight movements I'd love to hear that.

 

It has been a while since I posted an update but I haven't been sitting still. I managed to figure out the EN coupling and splitting at salzburg and also got some practice in the editor. most of the work has been in filling the fernverkehr page and I'm now trying to get all the S-bahn in. whilst working on the Fernverkehr I got my idea for the kursbuch in as well. just need the times for the RE and then it will be possible to use ingame maybe.

On a sidenote, I aso figured out how the yards at salzburg are used for storage generally so expect a decent amount of movement there too. Some of the REX trains are a diesel loco (ÖBB 2016) carrying a few coaches and a cab car. I have no idea how to add those in yet and I might wait for a BR 218 to be released or temporarlily get some desiro's running that bit. If anyone has a better idea I'm all ears.

 

Also completely forgot to mention this but this is the collection of powered rolling stock I want to use. (haven't looked at what freight wagons come from where yet) and a few real world formations of the RE with BR 111 I have seen in video's. I read there were some issues with N-wagen's. the Karlsruher kopf and the 111 so I will for now be holding off on changing those formations until some bugs are fixed. these bits are just quick notes and for later showcases will be made actually readable.

 

It has been a few days and I have been busy with other things. but here is a slight progress update. I made the previous bit now actually readable and added the fernverkerhr AI that comes from kufstein through rosenheim. If you count the RE services, that makes for already 200 Fernverkehr services. Sadly almost all 1116 IC services will be AI as they turn around at salzburg only or travel from salzburg to kufstein. at least there will be a lot of loco runaround services and EC to play with those. and I'll also use it as a freight loco. apart from that I found some more easter eggs on the route I will try to add. and I'm trying to understand the salzburg yard and how it's used so I can add some storage to the route and make salzburg look alive a bit. if anyone knows more that would be great.

Here are the through services for Rosenheim. RB's still pending since I can't find a timetable

 

Here:
RB44 (Scroll down and click on the two "KBS 944" links)
RB54
RB58

 

cheers. those are 2024 but I doubt the times changed much since the rolling stock hasn't either

 

Some testing for REX railbus services with a substituting 648. turning around at Europark in rush hour will be busy with a bit of gegengleis driving (yes I forgot to press F twice to show and hide overlay, gotta love bugs)

As noted a month ago. pathfinding at salzburg is wrong but I managed to fix it by adding a go via so if dovetail doesn't patch it I will in my timetable. It's not a problem with the current amount of trains but if I add REX and Westbahn there might be some pileups.

Also fun note. Verona and Roma termini are in the PIS selector for the 648. also Budapest keleti and the entire line from Salzburg to Wien. seems like there has been some future proofing there. hope it doesn't reset to "nicht einsteigen" every 2 minutes now. and the GSMR gets turned back to germany on that DMU.

 

Vacation over and got home in true DB fashionably more than an hour delayed after a full bingo card of reasons. I'm nearly done with the timetable research outbound of salzburg. at 420 ish services now. Seeing the 101 Expert loco dlc I am definetely getting that into the route. Hoping I can add both the basic and expert without many issues. For those who don't want an expert dlc. But I have to wait on how that'll work out when I get more information on the differences and launch. The 218 in real life didn't really drive on the route so at first I thought of leaving it out. until I remembered in my research it did drive there. not sure where the construction was. but I expect it has something to do with the planned RE's ending at Prien am Chiemssee. Who wants a seperate timetable for that time of the year including the 218? the research is done already anyways. (and maybe some special scenario's)

 

I need your suggestion on this one. the 1144 I can replace with a 1116 for the time being as they used to be interchanged. but whilst getting all the IC coaches noted to put them in quickly, I came across the issue of the cab car. I can see if I can use dosto coaches repainted for the services that use those but I have no idea how to tackle the cityjet cab car or coaches at the moment. I can leave it as a normal coach for loco pulled services but I rather have it as a cab car. Anyone got any idea?

For the 101 as expert loco I'll be using the normal 101 for now since I think I'll be done before that releases and I don't want to wait months to release the timetable.

 

Put the KaKo there

No, seriously, I think an 1116 sandwich formation is okay for that.

 

What about the n-wagen Cab Car? I think that would work too.

 

KaKo, N-wagen cab car is the same thing. I'm not sure if it works with the 1116 though. Tried to use it with the 111 yesterday and failed, I expect I am doing something wrong though because I remember someone found a way to get it to work. thought it was ZWS but the loco was already set up for that. the signal didn't travel through N-wagen coaches or dosto coaches either. It's not that bad of an idea to use it though, and with a reskin might look decent. wondering if the IC cab car would work too. 1116 sandwich is the easiest, but it's a push-pull service irl.

 

No, it's KWS36, for which you have to set a switch in the loco.

 

Ah cheers. I didn't do that so glad it does work.

 

In the meantime. I've been not very busy with work at work so, Fernverkehr is now actually finished with all the respected coaches for when someone finally decides just a Bmz isn't enough... some interesting services in 2013 drove.

 

The ZWS switch in the BR111 is functional? I was under the impression you're not able to set it to anything...

 

I looked yesterday. you have ZWS and ZDS. It's on ZWS by default and should be on the off (KWS36) to get the KaKo working. the only option it doesn't go to ingame is the Störung selection even though it shows up on the board.

 

Ah ok so it has three positions then? ZSW/ZDS/Off ? I swear I took a look into exactly that when Salzburg Rosenheim came out and I had not clickspot to move the switch lol
Must be my mind playing games

 

When operating from the 111, I set the ZWS to off. When changing to the cabcar, I put it to ZWS to enable remote control.

 

It's been a while and since I have been busy with either playing the game myself, work or personal stuff. I don't have much development to show. I have however another question I'd like your opinion on. As to finding the real timetable of that time I can put in a lot more realism and less guesswork. I've been redoing the Kursbuch as shown in the first post. thinking of extending it to München. In the real one it shows which RB/RE's run with N-wagen, DoSto or only DoSto on friday through sunday or the weekend. I'll leave the weekend ones as N wagen. but the friday one. shall I keep them DoSto, N-wagen or see if I can make them use both randomly?

 

I think DoStos alone would be the most realistic, since fridays can get pretty busy.

 

I like getting your opinion on stuff and for now that is going to be another train. the BR 426. a very small 2 coach EMU doing some interesting things. I'm yet to find what DTG did with it since some things are correct and some are way off or make no sense. for this example I just want to know what I should do for the 426. it is only 2 coaches and we have as short as possible a 4 coach 423 used now on the ruhpolding services. now according to this picture. one of the verstärker trains from Freilassing stops there at 1b and combines to the AI ruhpolding train at 1a. I hope the two 423's fit to make it possible. but if not I'm wondering if there are any other trains that might work for that service. because I do want to get something weird like that in. even if I have to use a different s bahn train.

I would like to give some updates about freight but since I have no idea when they will finish rebuilding the platforms at freilassing the stream will show a reduced amount of trains most likely and some weird movements. so if I can't get much info I might go off the current DTG freight timetable (fixing the two trains sitting behind each other though cuz that annoys me so much)


Below a litle schematic on how I think it happens. I've never seen a 426 at freilassing so that confuses me but it makes sense so I suppose it's such a special service nobody ever made a mention of it anywhere.


Update: ingame that RB on track 3 is in. not as the 425 we have ingame but as a 111 with dosto's. and the train I am confused about has been scrapped from the ingame timetable. I wonder what led to those decisions but apart from lacking a short 426 (might be able to use formation designer for that) I will get that back in like it should be.

 

Well apart from the questions I have an update on my progress too. the DB RB and RE from Salzburg to München have all been put in correctly that includes the couple 59000 verstärkerzuge that DTG got partially wrong and partially left out as mentioned in the post above. Next I am working on the S4 and RB to Landshut. I also went over all the REX and S bahn to add their respective 4023, actual coaches and loco's instead of the ingame usage I chose like only 4024's since I don't expect a 4023 ingame unless I make it myself. getting all services researched really helps to understand what the trains do in rush hour and early morning and night compared to a usual hour. this is my progress now.

To get out of the loop of passenger traffic apart from playing other games and driving trains ingame. I went and did some testing. which came to some interesting findings... Here is freilassing as it is at 9 am. apart from two freight trains on the same track, pretty normal stuff. knowing the place a bit I found it a bit sad the yard of random stock, a waiting train or two letting something pass on the main line or even the special container train with trash to and from mühldorf (and towards rosenheim that I have no idea of what it's destination is) is all missing. it has some trains but they wait there all day and one leaves every 5 hours. I haven't seen much logs towards liefering so I suspect those come from salzburg. So I decided to see if I can make it better.


Gotta say Free Roam works great for this. Just spawn on foot and have fun. after 30 ish minutes of testing where I can drive my custom bauzug to I added some container and mixed stock next to the existing trains. as I was adding stuff I came to the timetable issues I mentioned soon after release. A freight train passed towards salzburg. getting green into freilassing from the platform of teisendorf, 5 minutes away. and after it passes that a green signal out of freilassing as well. this to me seems way too far and should be triggered way later. the RB to München stopping at track 3 thus crossing the main line had to wait for that and arrived 3 or 4 minutes late, keeping the RB to mühldorf, an S-bahn and a freight train waiting. I'll definetely be using the freight yard as intended for that to let the freight train wait there until it can go unsure if the wait will be in the timetable or if I should make parts even for short 5 to 10 minute waits. the RB will of course be on it's correct track 4 and 2 as well. being met by a very confused and delayed IC Köningssee with two loco's I decided lacking a lot of the existing services like REX and RJ I better test times in the editor as I get to putting my research into a functioning state.

As a small afterword. I'm nearing a small sudden vacation and the end of my school and internship. this means I'll be a little bit busier with life and thus this project will go a bit slower. but nevertheless that means more time for DTG to announce trains I can use to make this route even better. although I'm far from done. I want to thank everyone who told me to just start and have supported this project even though my knowledge of UE is pretty non existent. this has been a fun experience and I would love to do another route when this is done. can't wait to get everything in the game and see it run.

 

*cough* HRR *cough*

Happy to see the progress! Keep going at your own pace. We're all excited what you come up with. Also from which DLC is the 66 from?

 

HRR and since matt said he wasn't doing it RSN is also a good idea in my eyes. both routes that with more stock could be great. the 66 is from the great western express I think. that's the route where the DB one is seen instead of the EWS. Irl there it runs as a modified 66 so a class 77 in mostly white ERS livery but at muhldorf I saw some red DB ones so I'll use it as AI since no PZB or for shunting in the yard there. it brings some containers from mühldorf to be processsed in Freilassing hofham and them it takes them back so you won't see it much but it's in the yard for a bit.

 

It has been a whille since I posted but the project is not dead. Due to personal reasons and life being busy I took a slight break. in that break I finished both the S4 and misc trains plus added some freight I could find. I also finished my education on a sidenote. I'll be taking a vacation of a couple weeks and although less active still present on the forums. After the release of the 218 and whatever releases before the 5th of august I will then be back home and ready to take on this project with full determination to make it as busy as we want. speaking of. any suggestions on scenario's and other timetable additions that I missed are very welcome.

 

I feel like I've been quiet for way too long so it's time for another progress update. I found some better sources for train times making the ability to fit the RB to Mühldorf via Freilassing in correctly too. This means that the main line apart from a couple non drivable branch lines will be complete. for the sake of editor projects and getting this timetable to everyone I hope the DTG Direct is not TSW5 but rather an update to TSW4 like the rapid transit pack.

The rebuild of Freilassing is taking longer than I expected, this means I'll look at the railcam soon and if the freight timetable is reduced instead of full capacity, so be it. I found a few freight timetable services there but the majority I will have to get from that as I have no idea about the daily freight transfers on that line.

Sadly again no ingame pictures so here is one of the timetable services ingame that I played recently. every service I see and learn more about the route and it's possibilities. I recently learned about the PbZ service there for example.

 

daanloman#3930 Hi, I recently began work on a little mini project: Converting a RABe 523 into a Westbahn-like EMU. I´m using the livery editor and the God mode to export the livery into the editor. There, I can set it up like my ÖBB 5022 and make it a 6-car variant. I know that you wanted to make this livery and I thought that I can tweak it into my time schedule, as you and I need it for our timetable/route.

 

that looks great. I've been having issues getting the SBB flirt longer as my formation editor keeps crashing. maybe the recently released update will fix that. do I spot a 1116 Railljet on your last picture? maybe I just need godmode to fix my issues

 

daanloman#3930 Well, I got the train now working...
.... but it has two issues:

1. The livery has some kind of problem on the "shadow side" of the train. I suspect the "texture stream overpool" but I´m not sure if this is the cause.
2. Making a 6-car variant in appropriate livery causes this...

I could workaround this by only making 5 cars OR making the 45°-line design of the third and fourth wagon only on the third. What do you think is better?

If anybody knows what causes problem No.1, please inform me about a solution/the reason!!!!

(The last picture came from ingame, the Railjet was spawned in via Free Roam)

 

Is it available in Creators club?

 

The RABe 523 can't be published on CC, on top of that I want to create a 6/5 car variant, depends on which feels better

 

I still am not sure either. wouldn't be the first EMU I see with double pantographs up. whatever feels good. I wonder which of the 5 RABe 523's you use. for me most of them crash the game as soon as I try and add a second coach. they all say the same thing too. that it's the MU but I spawn the cab every time.

 

I think you think that I work with the ingame formation editor? I work with the pc editor for building the 6 car variant, Using repainted EMUs doesn't really work ingame, I know

But I'm now a little bit frustrated about the editor...timetable dispatcher not doing his job on my own route, and the Westbahn is now constantly crashing after I worked on it today. I think I have to test different things, maybe it's the formation, but I don't know yet (I think I'm already loosing my nerves!

 

fair enough that makes sense. indeed the ingame stuff barely works. I'll focus on the editor instead. I hope it gets to a better working and supported state announced the 20th

 

Have you tried simulating the timetable? Does that run through or report problems?

 

Still building the timetable, but things turned good after i rebuilt many tracks and signals as well as repairing the editor

I also got the Westbahn now working petfectly! I'll share pictures at the weekend

 

Sadly no new usable stock for this route announced. the ICE-T will have the correct train on it's AI services though. but for this timetable nothing exiting to add from the dovetail direct.

 

daanloman#3930 The Westbahn is now working as it should! Once, the offical update for cooking is out, I will cook it and distribute it via TrainSimCommunity for all! The only bug is, that the doors from wagon 4 don´t open when the train is controlled by AI.

 

lets call that a feature that not everyone wants to get out of all doors

 

well I have some sad news. due to a failing GPU I will be taking another break from the project. I'm finishing all the distant station times to have a better understanding of the turnarounds and depot moves. I started on making a 3 car flirt for the BLB services. it seemed to be able to drive but the pantograph refuses to go up. I suppose the logic for that is in the coach I kicked out.

after my gpu has been repaired I'll continue in the editor. the project will move to TSW5 as it's a free update. but I'll try to make the ICE-T optional so TSW4 players who refuse the free update for some reason can still use the mod. on a sidenote. I seem to not get the full info on destination displays. if I put an S3 service in for ÖBB it only shows the service number. any timetable editors know if there are special prefixes or if selecting local, regional or express changes anything? to me those seem like british terms. wonder which of those translate to the german/austrian system.

 

No access to the editor so after getting a lot of the turnaround and shunting moves figured out (BLB and Westbahn finished now) I decided to test some timings for a couple interesting services. anyone know what that signal on the second picture might mean? I've never seen it before. I also changed the 423 from München - Augsburg to the 425 from Bremen - Oldenburg since the 423 doesn't have the newer destination display so it'll only show the MAG destinations.


Still no update on my GPU. it's at the factory, I expect another 20 days until I see it again... at least my laptop can still run tsw a bit.

 

By this white lamp signal it means it loses al its force and you can ignore it. The white lamp indicates the signal its working and turend off on purpose. Otherwise you can think its defect.