People say this about previews every time, I can name maybe one or two occasions where the finished product has come out differently. It's pure cope unfortunately.
Yes and you don’t have to keep repeating that constantly that’s YOUR opinion. Others will have theirs.
Here is a good video to compare the sounds to, for those of you who aren't quite sure as to what the 170 sounds in real life. By purely going off the trailer video, and having spent a lot of time on and around 170s in real life, I'm going to be honest and say the sounds are pretty poor. Not only is it missing a lot of bass, as well as the classic 'humming' sound upon departure, it just sounds really off to my ears. The 170 is a popular train and we really don't want another train ruined by poor physics and sounds (the Class 150 and 385 being a few unfortunate examples of this) Hopefully there will be some substantial improvements by the time it is released.
Unfortunately the sound board for TSW4 has way to many restrictions the developers have to find that fine balance.
My first instant thought when hearing the sound was that it needed work, I drive these and they definitely need more of a gruntier diesel sound when pulling away, hopefully they can sort it.
It literally says WIP and you heard it idle along with a cab preview of it departing and that's enough for you to bash it?
I think someone touched on it but bearing in mind, unless someone is an absolute machine with the audio engine in TSW, you can only do so much both in the game engine and it's all dependant what they had access to regarding recording the loco. I think people need to understand this and stop expecting absolute gold with every release. If you look at older locos, ones that are likely to be operating on private railways are much easier to record because a sound crew can spend a day isolated with the loco or setup mics and equipment with less hassle and restrictions compared to publicly accessibly railways/locos.
Hence at the end of my post I did say *I will wait for the release to make my final verdict.* However if history is to go by Rivet don't change the audio a whole lot from the preview to the release, hence I'm not filled with confidence. I can promise you though, if it does release with great sounds I will be mighty chuffed.
Its very simple... They dind't have a possibility to get the real sounds... Thats not only a Rivet problem but DTG the same.. The 111 doesnt have the sounds as well but the sounds are good enough to have fun. Better you dind't expect the sound... Its useless to expect that... Companies are very difficult and they dind't accept anybody in cab to get the sounds. In the future this problem will bigger i will predict
The sounds aren't terrible concidering it was full throttle with the window open for most of it. Don't rule it out just yet..
Few notes here: Few notes on the class 170: when throttle is applied there is usually a whiny beeping humming sorta noise from the engine when the windows are closed as you can hear in this AP video: Really?? No smart P.I.S?? What a let down. That could've been really cool but at least you got the font and size right on the exterior p.i.s I suppose. Brilliant work! The cab details looks amazing! Fantastic! Not sure about the door closing sounds though when the cab door is being shut. Can you explain that? The open door lights shouldn't be illuminated on the other side of the train if the doors are locked/other side doors are open. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, I didn't think they were greeen but ok. The sounds I'm a bit concerned about but I think it's not to bad concidering it was done full throttle with the window open for most of it. Also carriage doors should automatically close behind you after about 7 seconds. Carrige doors should have sounds but if no sounds it the alternative to recycling cathcart circle sounds like Edinburgh to Glasgow then that's good. Exterior P.I.S was not illuminated on the right hand side of the train even though it was illuminated on the front, left and inside of the train. The TMS screen looks a bit dim but that might just be because it has no functionality? I don't know, it would be interesting to see it working if it does. Wind sound when idling is a tad on the loud side. Not bad rivet! Not bad! Hopefully you can respond the communitys feedback, I look forward to seeing more soon! I'm just curious how they acquired the sounds... (Note I have also posted this on the rivet forums which hopefully they are more likely to see and respond to). I recommend putting any bugs/issue on their forums now before it's release otherwise like previous routes, they will say it's too late and won't fix a thing.
If the TCMS is the same as the stock i drive then it is ambient light controlled meaning it brightens and dims depending on the light in the cab so you can see it in sunlight etc etc.
Got to go with londonmidland on this. I have travelled on 170’s plus as I said played the three variants in TSC and Rivet’s WIP demo doesn’t even come close. For those who are making the usual excuses and apologies for Rivet, will say what I have said before re sounds… This is a payware product no doubt retailing at the full £29.99 DLC price. If you want a payday then you need to earn it. That includes knowing you can source the sounds when white boarding the project and that your sound engineer has the required skills to mix it correctly. Yes there are constraints with TSW/UE sound but SHG managed to do a perfectly good job with the 158. So again, no excuse for shoddy workmanship. Maybe they couldn’t get permission from Scotrail for official recording sessions, but that didn’t stop the sound guy from taking a trip or ten out on the prototype to familiarise his ears and brain as to how they should sound in game. The sound at the outer end of the saloon is pretty much what you hear in the cab. He should have been hearing these trains in his sleep. We can only hope someone from Rivet is reading this and for once has the stones to admit it’s not quite right and not what we expect people to part with £30 for. From past experience, other than the 1938 stock which got half fixed, we know once Rivet and DTG go live with this it will never get fixed. And yes I do feel DTG bear some responsibility for this. Ultimately they are accepting the product from Rivet to sell in the TSW marketplace so high time instead of meekly accepting mediocrity they also grow some stones and start chucking back anything sub par quality. Perhaps I sound a bit wound up about this, but we are only going to get one chance at the 170 in game and if Rivet botch it, no one else is going to come along and do it better - though maybe that’s what Rivet need, a kick up the posterior from some competition!
Absolutely dreadful sounds. I actually thought it didn't sound terrible idling but then it moved and it sounded exactly like I hoped it wouldn't- just a generic diesel engine. It's absolutely inexcusable, and I'm convinced the people on this thread who are saying otherwise have never been near a 170. Rivet cannot be allowed to keep butchering trains as crucial to the UK's network as the 150 and 170. They should just stick to route building as they have proven repeatedly that they are incapable of producing quality trains.
I mean so was the Class 385 and we all know how the sounds turned out. WIP hardly means anything in this franchise mostly. Rivet know how to model trains but the sounds are awful. Also for a game that keeps advertising as a game with authentic routes and trains, it is certainly justified that customers expect sounds to be of good quality or close to reality as possible.
Sadly as testified by a response to my post, there are people who are easily pleased and will just accept the mediocre, trying to find all sorts of excuses for shoddy workmanship. Well I didn’t buy Edinburgh to Glasgow due to shoddy quality of the 385, so it looks like Fife Circle also needs to join that list of infamy.
Rivet wants to be independent. Probably would require rivet to ask for help or give permission to dtg to help.
DTG are ultimately the ones that have to sign off on it though. DTG can definitely help if Rivet wanted help. I don't see why you keep trying to defend the indefensible.
It's obvious Rivet struggle with sounds; modelling is their best. Clearly they need help with sounds, and why do DTG give permission for these sounds to be used (given they're the ones selling the product) when they're not perfect, or at the very least close to the real thing.
That’s funny because yesterday you were correcting people when they said the sounds are wrong. So which is it they are either “spot on” as you say or they are not.
For me it's not bad, just not great either. It sounds like a 170 and you could tell without looking that it is. Idle sounds are pretty fine and the traction sounds (that are there) are alright. As said above, though, there needs to be more of a bass-like sound, and the signature humming noise. It's not a deal-breaker for me, and by Rivet's standards it's quite good. Only thing that stood out was how the sound went quiter when the player sat in the driver's seat as opposed to standing, despite being the exact same situation. Model is on-point as always from Rivet, with a bonus point for removing the weird purple shade on the exterior found on the 385.
Yes whilst we often blame the various 3rd party devs for shall we generously call "inaccuracies", all these dlc's are being sold under the umbrella of DTG whom must be ascertained to give them their seal of approval. So I hope DTG themselves give them some sort of a quality check before marketing them. If not they really should as it's their game which will suffer critique. We might know that such and such 3rd party are the makers, but I bet a majority of people who don't frequent these forums largely have no idea. Hence DTG could find their name trashed as well. It's in their interests to have quality dlc released that reflects well on them.
I agree that the idle sounds aren't too bad but I strongly disagree that the traction sounds are anything close to fine. If I closed my eyes and tried to guess what train it is was I would guess any member of the Sprinter family or even a Pacer or 101 before a 170.
Acceleration seems a bit off too, there's not enough delay between applying the throttle and the train moving for a diesel hydraulic. The rate of acceleration also seemed excessive and fairly linear. Ideally we need a longer preview but based on Rivet's previous offerings I only expect we'll get a simplified physics model. The train needs to feel right as much as it must sound right.
That's cool if they want to include plushies...just remember to do a good job on the sounds and scenery. Strewth!
Those aren't related? It's not like they've made the scenery worse by making a relatively low poly collectible?
The route is looking interesting, much more than goblin, but there is that concern with the 170 which doesn’t quite sound right and I have to use them very, regularly. Hoping to hear more in the roadmap.
No I understood you. The collectible has no bearing on the quality of anything else. It would have been whipped up in an hour or two. So it didn't divert focus.
The team who did scenery would be separate to the one doing collectibles. They don't have one team doing everything, I don't think they would anyway.
Ehhh i'm sorry but these kinds of posts are insufferable. If the sounds upset you that much, do something about it. Again it is literally a WIP.
If Rivet can't get the sounds right, why can't DTG delay the release and try to help them a bit? We don't want another Class 150 case. If Rivet releases a poor 170 then probably no other developer will work on a better 170 and we will stuck with this one that probably will be abandoned soon. We need it to be at least 8/10 this time...
