Enough Is Enough!!!

Yeah, but the New 170 is a Work in progress, Rivet is showing off a preview, Just look at that wonderful single-lever action at its finest

 

With sounds sampled at the local bus garage after they bunged Jimmy the mechanic twenty quid for half an hour with a 1970’s portable tape recorder…

 

I think most of them are busy beavering away as scammers so don’t have time to aid DTG.

 

Back in 2005 I joined one of EAs most unique projects. It had nothing to do with games but with security.
The place chosen, Bucharest Romania - East of Europe.
I was there from day one. We went from a simple access control center covering all the European offices to taking care of chargebacks, the entire anti virus and agents deployment, having a local white team dedicated to do pen testing for 3rd parties. We became the security hub of a 10k+ company. It felt great. The people were amazing professionals.

In one of the training trips, we were in a conference held by someone at Microsoft. He referred to one of Romania´s city as ¨hackersville¨. I said a couple of words to him then I got up and left the room.

Today I have multiple fraud patterns that I maintain with my team and it´s amazing to see how various parts of the world behave and react and how they commit fraud.

You can´t call Eastern European people scammers!

Apologize and think twice next, please.
You can be better than this.

 

And fitting straight in the context of this thread, is DTG's outrageous expectation that we will just up and part with £25 for the 13 mile Goblin Line. Enough is enough!

 

This may be the case who knows, or they dug up an 80's era VHS tape of loco running down the track.
Or they could try this one out for size.

 

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I think DTG have hit the inadvertent developers block.

 

This is why I just asked the question in the March roadmap Q&A - where do they honestly see TSW going, drab overpriced DLC often of poor quality. Little innovation either in terms of new gameplay or exploring something a bit different. I mean Goblin line is mundane as it gets and why should I really pay out £25 when I already have several UK commuter routes in the collection.

 

I´ll leave this here. There are too many and too important to choose. You decide what you thank them for - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries

 

Then don't buy it. It's as simple as that lol. If you don't think something is worth it, don't buy it. Other people will like that sort of route.

 

Just because you are happy to sit in your fanboy heaven and take DTG's pricing doesn't mean to say those of us with a more pragmatic view can't have a view on the matter. If we don't air the grievance then DTG are going to think we're happy to just take it.

 

The harsh reality is that DTG is going to set pricing policy based on sales figures, full stop. What you or I or the man down t'pub say on the matter is irrelevant.

 

Well I hate to say it but I really hope the Goblin Line is a complete flop for them, maybe force a rethink of the quality/quantity/price issue.

 

At least there's two positives about the Goblin:

A) The 710 is similar to the 720 so that opens up potential East Anglia routes that use it.

B) the 710 can layer into a potential WCMl South.

That's about it, though that comes to mind.

 

it can also be the starting point for similar EMUs in the same "family"

 

So who's ready...
Who let the dogs out....

 

I'm not sure what files these would be, as when the update was rolled back it should have returned all DLCs to the way they were before the update.

While similar at a glance, there are a variety of differences between the different Aventra variants that will make it difficult to convert one Aventra into another. The 710s are 4-coach units formed of 20m coaches, while 720s are formed of 24m coaches and have a completely different interior. The 345s also have 24m coaches but again a different interior and with a different door layout. The 701s and 730s also have different fronts and a number of other differences. In effect, while the Electrostars are easy to convert between the different classes, each Aventra is pretty much a new train from a modelling standpoint.

 

I suppose it is a good starting point, something they could work off.

But we all know what DTG are like.

 

Well, they'd probably be able to use the simulation and some of the modelling (such as the cab interiors), but the rest would need to be remade at some level. I assume once they have a 24m Aventra bodyshell they won't need to start from scratch for each subsequent 24m Aventra though.

On a similar note, while most of the 80x trains can be made with the 801 model they have now, making an 810 would require them to start again.

 

We do and many complain yet still use the sim and buy the content they make.

 

Just a bit confused that DTG is charging 25 pounds for a 13 mile route with no branches, or additional rolling stock ?

 

If the entire community was as skeptical as this thread, perhaps they would put in more effort. The first London Overground DLC could've been a larger line (many of them have branches), perhaps two connected lines, with both their EMUs. But they know the amount of all-buying defenders is large enough to justify doing the absolute bare minimum and turn profit. They've created the shortest line possible, sell it for ridiculous price and people still defend it.

 

Exactly this. Overall I like TSW a lot otherwise I wouldn’t be here and DTG have taken what was a largely ignored and niche topic in the late 90’s (text based Simudrive, Steam Express and the dire Cab View Driver) followed on from MSTS with TSC and now TSW and turned it into a multi million £ franchise. But they are getting complacent now and I do think they are relying on the acolytes who will buy anything and everything then come down on anyone who posts an alternative view on the forum.

There are some absolute classics in TSW, the new Salzburg route is great, BPO is addictive as hell, even ECML I have grown to enjoy the odd run now and again. That’s before taking in the older great stuff like Clinchfield, DRA, NTP and TVL. So we absolutely do enjoy TSW and it is absolutely disheartening to see DTG losing their way, be it pricing, quality or quantity for fear they kill their own golden egged goose.

 

I think the only thing that matters now is sales. The silent majority who buy all the wowGSMR/lifts/moths/one handle/green light runs/incorrect sounds etc are now the only real thing that matters. Getting those day 1 to 30 sales figures high and leave excitement behind as the latest shiny DLC is marketed out.

 

The funny thing is, those who are defending the price of Goblin Line are using the fact that IoW was sold £5 cheaper (£19.99 vs £24.99) and therefore £24.99 is fair & justifiable reflection of that policy. Well, sorry to burst that little bubble but IoW 2022 (route + brand new train) was only £14.99...and before anyone says "that was just an upgrade with a new train"; if you never owned it in the first place then it's a brand new route for, erm, £14.99!

I couldn't agree more that £25 for 13 miles of track is an out-and-out rip off, but hey, if Dovetail Games want to price stuff in such a way that TSW will always remain an ultra-niche product then who am I to argue that way of thinking?

 

I do feel like DTG are somewhat burying their heads in the sand with the attitude of "we know exactly what we're doing" and shooting themselves in the foot again for the 14th time. Which is a shame because we know they can do a good job.

DTG need to realise that just because they made a mess of something doesn't mean its not popular/wanted

 

Also 24.99 for BML, ECW, TVL and NTP?
Older routes still full price and arguably have more draw than Goblin despite the lack of TSW4 features?

 

When 2004 meets 2024 east of Crowcombe

 

Well, if you think of it they charge full prices for bug infested routes like RT and others with broken services and safety systems, not obtainable trophies, mastery or achievements and straight out crashes to desktop. Apart from the poor PS4 player who can´t see all the benefits for Gen9 equipment and yet has to pay the full amounts.

But hell unleashes when you call DTG "greedy" ...

Maybe we should all wait for that Goblin Line to see it in action. Who knows, DTG has just created the 8th Simulation World Wonder and everybody would be happy to pay double the price? One can dream, no!

 

To be fair though, DTG were just as bad years ago in Train Simulator. The FCC Class 321 and Class 91 were truly appalling and should not have been released. The reuse of Kuju assets years after they were out of date was unacceptable. Almost all of the trains they made including the ones I mentioned are awful, ranging from blatantly incorrect to woefully executed, and often both at the same time.

 

A lot more than that if you factor in the additional DLC you'll need to own to activate the additional layers and make the route feel alive.

And the cost of TSW4 of course in case you still haven't bought into the last core update

 

1. Seeing the amount of discussion posts the Goblin line has spawned, it will sell. The demand is clearly there, no matter the opinions in the thread. Not wanted - not talked about.

2. Price too high? Unjustified? You decide if you pay the price or wait for a sale.

3. Discussing the justification of a price is futile. DTG are not a used car dealer.

 

tried to drive 1J93 (Ashford - StPancras) on tsw3
was a nice experience, took 8 minutes to find the train

 

Just like Grainger Heartland, my god that was a terrible route with the horrible lights on the SD70ACe to the Kansas City Skyline.....

 

I was reflecting about replying or not replying to this büllmerde.

Errrrmmmm ........................ no.

 

Maybe if you’d lost money to these obnoxious people who are allowed to prey on the unwary in significant numbers, you might not be so cocky.
I know somebody who has suffered, so kindly go forth and multiply.
Have a good day.

 

Oh yes, it's an industry that makes billions of dollars taking away the savings and pensions from gullible elderly people. There's folks like the brilliant Jim Browning, who hacks into the scammers' call centers and has had a lot of these offices closed. But he admits it's a war you cannot win. They're like ants.

 

The one crime I’m in favour of the death penalty for. Remote scamming people out of their hard earned money and savings. March them all to the gallows, I’d work out the drop and pull the lever.

 

I'm sorry, is it really that hard to differentiate? Of course I condemn these practices as much as the next guy, but isn't generalizing and labeling a country with a population of 1.4Bi into an army of scammers not a bit too much of a one sided view? Can we agree on that?

To me it sounded like "hungarian women are all porn actresses." Sorry.

Anyway, I´ve got 70 IT Pros from that country in my projects, everyone of them a hard working fellow who delivers outstanding quality. And they're pretty damn good when it comes to "think out of the box".

Creative crooks can be found anywhere. And in growing number, I know.

Back to the trigger of this topic: I could understand if DTG outsources to these 3rd party suppliers. But either way: That DTG pays UK wages to all of their dev teams can be discarded as an option. Nobody here would pay triple prices for a DLC.

 

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It was not a generalisation of Indian people at all, you were interpreting my comment wrong. Of course there are good and bad people in any country. You put 2+2 and got 5. Of course I wasn’t going to go away and work out what percentage are scammers!
But the sad fact is that a nation can often get judged based on its worst practises, the Russian Federation being a good current example. The fact remains that there is scamming on an industrial scale in India and some of the countries around it and they are making a very bad name for themselves by not dealing with it. Like that fact or not.
It would be inconceivable for that to occur in the UK for example.
India has a space program so it’s a shame they can’t dedicate some of their funds to target scamming and hence prevent the country getting such a bad reputation for the loathsome practice.
Perhaps some people can be too sensitive to a comment made that has basis in fact? This world unfortunately is not a land of milk and honey.
There are many Indian people living in London along with just about every other culture, they bring a lot to the city and are very hard working and responsible individuals that are very welcome, but then they are not parasitic scammers are they?
When I made a comment about scammers in India it should be obvious that I’m referring to the scammers only.

 

The sheer fact you swung the discussion around to your implied claim that most scammers come from a single country is bloody insane, when in any context would there be a need for that thought process in a train sim forum?, for me personally it would be a hard never, but clearly that's just me.......

 

I see your point. Perhaps I misunderstood, yes.

Been to India several times, never as a tourist, always on business. And I know it's not all shiny and Diwali. Not at all!

Alright, back to DTG bashing now, shall we.

 

it’s nice to deal with a reasonable person. Enjoy your day.

 

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Comment from DTG Alex: There are many comments on the thread which are off-topic, it's not feasible to try and remove them all on a thread this large, however bringing deeper political talking points into the forums will result in removal of messages. Please, keep the conversation acceptable for everyone, and ideally relate to the discussions in a reasonable manner.

 

Guys no politics just trains

 

a cat intervention was needed

 

Me see cat me happy