Chances are it won't come (as in it may or may not). Not there's no chance of it coming (which implies I know something which I don't).
I think DTG should revisit the ECML as they did with SEHS - which shows it is possible. There is huge demand from what I have read for it to be extended, or rather start at Kings X. This would be especially true if the new UK loco turns out to be the Class 91. Just imagine the London termini with Azuma’s, 91’s, 700’s and 387’s parked up. Would be quite special. TBH if they only extended it to York it would be something, at least we’d have a major terminus on the route. Perhaps with a bit of reskinning we could get some Northern services into York in the shape of 170’s and 158’s.
It being a core route makes that more likely to receive an extension like, more will own it than some other routes, an extension to York would be great, Leeds and probably Lincoln is probably asking too much.
I don't think an extension to York would really sell, the route is as flat as a pancake with the same scenery as to Peterborough, Leeds at least would offer more variation in speed limits as well as the impressive skyline of a major British city.
I think it would, it’s a more sensible stopping point, especially for continuing onwards into the North, it has seen requests aswell, I would like to see Leeds especially for 91 services but coming as an extension from Doncaster seems unlikely. Extension up to York enables it to be back possible for a full London-Edinburgh in 4 routes
If it was down to me I would prefer it to King’s Cross as it would give us a definitive east coast mainline, but sadly it’s just a wish
If they want to package the Class 91 with the short extension to York, it would be rather good. Donny still doesn't feel like enough of a destination. With all respects to our friends in Doncaster of course.
Yeah, hopefully even if we don't get a reveal as to the exact loco, just if it was to say whether it'll be a passenger or freight train - that'd be good.. I'm hoping they'll say a bit more than just that though..! I really hope it's a new freight loco...
A new British map has been inserted in the 3-6 months section of the roadmap. I doubt it's a new map. In my opinion it could be the extension of the ECML. It would therefore strengthen the hypothesis that the British locomotive is a 91...
it wouldn’t be labelled as such I don’t believe, i don’t think they would want to cause a backlash by promising a route then have it be a current one is extended.
Could be another section of the ECML, that would make it a new route rather than an extension of the previous one.
Hoping for this, specifically the southern section as that’s been one of my wish list routes for TSW, after how much I enjoyed the TSC ECMLS
As I just responded in the other thread, it could be part of the WCML this time around but which part and what era open to speculation.
Probably modern because DTG have the avanti/WMR license. If anything most likely Trent valley as it’s the shortest section they could add that would somewhat make sense. If we didn’t get it modern I would love it in the APT and loco hauled era
Yea I couldn’t seen them doing another ECML section so quickly, there’s an absolute ton of possibilities WCML and beyond for what it could be at this point, perhaps maybe seeing the start of wales but who knows.
I think they will keep the WCML for TSW 5/6. Like with the previous versions they only took new big lines (GWML, ECML, Chatam,...)
Well there wasn't any info as to this new loco in the roadmap unfortunately.. and all the questions asked about the loco weren't answered either, I assume they can't share anything at the moment.. I wasn't expecting any answer to be honest but I was a little surprised the new Cargo Line pack hadn't been mentioned either... (Please note this is not a complaint in any way - I'm just trying to inform anyone who hasn't seen the roadmap yet in case they ((like me)) were looking for info on this new loco more than anything)
The cargo line was pretty much known since the direct stream. We know what it comes with and what to expect. Just like most of the routes, there's nothing new
Erf. So we just had a "new UK route" thingy appear on the March roadmap... The question now is if the new loco is going to layer into that route (like Skyhook are revamping their Class 158 for Fife Circle), or is it going to be a loco for an existing route (like the Class 104 DMU) ? I REALLY want it to be a BR class 73 or class 442 Wessex and secretly hoping that the new UK route will be 3rd rail. DISCLAIMER: Every prediction I make is usually wrong.
Yeah, fair point, I never watched the Dovetail Direct so don't know what was and wasn't mentioned during that... I'm looking forward to that pack to be honest, I really liked the Petroleum one so yeah I'm looking forward to this one - hopefully it's out soon!
Looks like it'll be a sodding 380. Would be alright with route but I could imagine it will be particularly popular as a stand alone DLC.
On a sign to the far left of the picture you could see what appears to be the 380s gangway... I really hope they're trying to trick us and this new DLC loco will be a 91 or new freight loco like most people (as far as I can tell) want....
It's only a matter of time before certain traction comes into TSW. Based on the routes we have and the inevitability of a WCML route at some point I'm thinking, Classes 50, 55, 68, 86, 90, 91, 156, 350, 730, 390. So if the new DLC isn't one of them this time, it's just a waiting game.
Can't remember where I read it, but it was stated that the new UK loco has been highly requested, the Class 91 fits that perfectly.
I thought they said it was highly desirable, not highly requested. It was also a hint as to what it could be with the pun. The best way to hint at a forthcoming Class 91 would not be to show a blurry reflection of a Class 380, after a pun on the Desiro name in the forum. I fail to see how it could be a Class 91 when everything points very firmly to it being a Class 380.
Yeah, Matt said it was "highly desirable" which is a tough thing to decode - did he mean it was literally desirable or did he mean it was a Desiro..? (I'm really hoping he meant literally desirable.)
If its been requested a lot, surely that means it is also desirable, whatever it is. Also, the image of the Class 380 could be nothing.
Negativity aside the 380 would add some much needed variety to Cathcart circle, personally I hope we are getting a 380
I definitely wouldn't mind a 380, however I would hope that it comes with that new UK route on the roadmap. I think a lot of people are holding out hope that the loco is either a 91 or some type of new modern freight loco, to not be one of those would be quite underwhelming.
Neither, I wouldn’t mind a 380 but the routes gonna feel empty as. No 390s, no 221/220s, no 397, no 334 or 318. I mean great, we’ll get an 801 layer from the 1 or 2 LNER services that run but it’s one of the busiest stations in Scotland. and it’ll be empty as
Matt said that it was highly desirable. And anyone who has followed DTG for a while knows how on the nose they are with their hinting. When he uses the word desirable there is a reason why. It’s going to be a Desiro.
A 2019 timetable would probably be best if cathcart gets a new timetable, with 380s being used more often on circle services, 314s still in service albeit in the process of withdrawal, 385s entered service by then, and 801s could have a few layers at glasgow central. As well as the 158 appearing as static at shields depot
