I believe it was Liam who basically confirmed on the Tsc Discord a few weeks back that Dtg no longer have a Gwr license, they are still allowed to sell Gwe, they just can't make any new modern Gwr content unfortunately. That being said, if the Riviera line was set back in BR days it would be a great way to introduce a class 50 to Tsw and maybe a paxman valenta hst, wouldn't that be great.
Bro what Watford Junction and Bletchley are both irational places to start the WCML... we already have Harrow-Queens Park its not much work to extend it to euston and build on from Harrow.
No more than Peterborough on the ECML... Bletchley is logical being one of the Class 350 depots/stabling point, though Watford would make more sense. Please don't misunderstand, if DTG are going to do it I would much rather Euston was included and it basically emulated the TSC version, but we have to go on what DTG themselves seem to think is possible.
Thanks. I do wonder if that had an impact with West Cornwall Local, when it was announced Rivet featured a GWR HST carriage on the announcement page.
Oh WCL was definitely meant to be a contemporary route with GWR stock - the posters still show a Class 150 in GWR livery.
Having a WCML start at Watford Junction makes my brain hurt. ECML starting at Peterborough is very different as it's 70 miles from London as opposed to already in London's suburbs. Euston to Milton Keynes would be the best bet. Have we really lost all faith in DTG making London termini? You'd swear they never made BML, GWE and SEHS...
I know it's a lot, but starting at Watford Junction just feels wrong, much more wrong than starting the ECML at Peterborough. If they're set on WCML South, but want to avoid Euston, I think their best bet is something like Milton Keynes to Stafford/ New Street. Of course as I've said- Preston to Carlisle is what I'm truly hoping for.
After my 350 run on the TSC WCML South, now taking a Pendolino in the Down direction. Tell you what TSC makes you feel you are running at 125 MPH more so than TSW (IMHO). The 390 in TSC is quite a nice train to operate and sounds better than the Azuma in TSW, too.
I think the C2C line would be a good choice for DTG. It's new and fresh while also not being too different. Never been done for Train Sim classic by DTG or any third parties. The mainline from Fenchurch Street to Shoeburyness is 39 miles, so not too long. Class 720 Aventra is very similar to the 710 included in GOBLIN and the 357 is similar to the other Electrostars. Perfect for DTG since they like to reuse stock from other routes.
I'd love to see a Welsh route, maybe Chester to Holyhead with the Conwy Valley Line and a modernised 150 and a Class 175 and if this new loco is a Class 70 then that and the 66 could also be a part of the route! They could then have the WAG set as an add-on for the future which appears to be something quite a few players seem to want... I can dream can't I?!
This one I kinda disagree, the sensation at 125mph feels so much better in TSW, especially when it’s raining
Can DTG accurately simulate the Class 175 catching fire and burning itself to the ground before leaving the platform? Because realism is important.
Would be a new challenge for them but I'm sure it could be implemented! It would definitely add some new gameplay!
I am thinking maybe some Wales stuff and all that. https://tfw.wales/sites/default/files/2020-09/Making Rail Accessible - Class 170.pdf https://tfw.wales/sites/default/files/2020-09/Making Rail Accessible - Class 150.pdf https://tfw.wales/sites/default/files/2020-09/Making Rail Accessible - Class 158.pdf It just seems like a great way to edit stock we already have a variant of.
They are not fires, or burning - those are forbidden words. Managements much prefer 'thermal incident'!
Yeah, a 'thermal incident" that from what I know was typically caused by TfW not cleaning the vents well enough and thus getting blocked and causing the engine to overheat; that's what I've been told usually caused these 'thermal incidents'... I still love the 175s though, really hope they get a second life rather than getting sent to the scrapper
Does it say who the developer is? That’s surely the best tell on what to expect e.g. Rivet doing another Scottish route..
It was just under "add-ons" which is usually where DTG puts their own work in with there being a "partner release" section separately for routes developed by.. you guessed it - partners - So I'm assuming it's something DTG themselves are working on....
Yes, things certainly don't just burst into flames for no reason! As long as we remember 'thermal incident' and don't spout the words smoke, fire or burning we'll be fine! Not the thread for it but not looking promising for them from what I have seen/ been told. Believe it's first party (DTG).
Ooh, has there been any companies interested in the 175s..? I head about Chiltern when the 175s were first announced to go but that's it as far as I know.
We have a Pacer and a Sprinter in the game now, specifically the 142 and 150/2. Those were the backbones of the Welsh valley fleet up until not too long ago. I came up with a route suggestion a while back. I was, and perhaps still will, present it in either a large forum post or maybe even a tied in video, but to just keep it brief for the sake of this thread... I know it's a bit of a long shot for this to be the upcoming route, I only throw it out there because even in the time since I came up with the idea it has only grown even more possible. The stock that ran on it about 10 years ago all already exists in the game: Class 142 Pacers, Class 150 Sprinters, EWS Class 66 (PLEASE layer it, do not give us a new one), GWR HST AIs at Cardiff Central and you're done.
It were one of the TMs at my place that said the other day about the outlook not looking great, I don't actually know why it came up as no one asked him or seemed too bothered! I personally though have heard rumbles about a home, nothing certain, but as I somewhat mention above he tends to care a bit more about matters than I do so don't get hopes up. Like I say perhaps not the thread to discus this anyway.
Oh right, very interesting! Hopefully it'll end up good for them! Yeah, sorry.. let's get back on topic, shall we?
There was a 156 in the works not long ago, wasn't there? I remember hearing about some teaser image with "coming soon" on the front display, or something like that - that could have been something fake though, I don't know...
I remember hearing about that, I assumed it was something to do with rivet's route but since that's fife circle I'm not sure. Maybe the uk loco on the roadmap is a 156 for MML
I never thought about that new loco being the 156.. I was so caught up in everyone thinking of it being a 91 or a new freight loco I completely ignored the possibility of it being a 156! Don't know how "desirable" a 156 is but we'll see whether DTG thinks it is soon enough I'm sure!
Another shout for Chester-Holyhead. Along the seaside, branch to Llandudno, though the 'castle' at Conwy, over the bridge, the iconic station sign at Llanfair pw; they could even introduce request stops to gameplay. Heck, add a railtour with a 40 on the front to roll back the years!
North Wales Coastal is prime for the taking. Could be fleshed out really well too if the terminus was Chester. Other than the Merseyrail services on the far side & the Northern bay platform, every other platform is used by TFW/Avanti. The 197 has displaced quite a lot now, but between the 175’s going out & 197’s coming in, the 158 & 150 diagrams were a lot more varied. Perfect time for DTG to refurb our existing units, along with a new train (221/175/197). DTG have a real opportunity to make a standout DLC with NWC, I fear such times of rolling stock variety from DTG have been & gone though.
Actually if they made NWC in the classic BR Blue era they wouldn't even need to do much in the way of new assets. We have the Class 37, 40, 45 and 47 in game. 33 could be reskinned into Blue for the through workings to/from Cardiff. Class 101 DMU would be at home as would the forthcoming 104 (again in blue livery). A Class 25 would round things off nicely depending on era, as would either some blue/grey Mark Ones and/or a rake of Mark Two aircon stock. Sadly I fear that would be too much for DTG, though I could maybe see JT tackling this as their next route project assuming BPO was the success we all think it was. For the BR Provincial era they already have the 142 and the 158 could be licenced in from SHG. Or you could have the later 31 hauled Regional Railways Mark Two sets on some of the services.
North Wales Coastal would be a great route for TSW, but I imagine only one half would be made (preferably Llandudno Junction - Holyhead) as the full route is over 100 miles. If it's a West Coast Main Line route it could be an unusual section, I don't think anyone expected Peterborough - Doncaster for the ECML. Maybe Crewe to Preston? It would be around 50-60 miles with only a few stations, and the vast majority of services are run by Avanti West Coast on that section.
I would like a route that links in with something we already have for the potential benefit of layering and for me, the feeling that a network is being built. For example, anything WCML would help BCC and the ghost town of New Street. In my mind one of the best UK routes in game is SEHS. There is a good track length and a fair mix of traction even if MUs with combined power and brake handles are not everyone's favourite. We accept that the route cannot be further extended as is, but I think another stand-alone route that connects to it would be good. You have the myriad of routes from Dartford to Charing Cross and Cannon Street that could be built. A "Southeast London Network". You have Victoria to Rochester that could be built including the Catford Loop and branches to Orpington and Sevenoaks. You have Faversham to Dover and Ramsgate that could be built. The path of least resistance is to do it in the modern day where most of the traction is already there. Make it the end of BR/start of NSE era and give us EPBs, CEPs, VEPs etc. a 73 and a chance for the criminally underused Crompton to shine (maybe even Dover Marine/Western Docks) and I'd pre-order in a heartbeat.
Absolutely, I just wanna see the most famous icon of Britain, the white Cliffs of Dover included sometime in the game, that would be superb.
The real-life station boards don't have c2c branding, just a coloured block as per the photo. So the Barking station sign looks to be accurate and no indicator of licence.
To be fair I remember a few people were suggesting that section of the ECML, we just assumed it would continue to York instead of stopping at Doncaster. Crewe to Preston would be even more underwhelming than the section of the ECML they chose, which makes me scared they'll choose it. I suppose it makes sense though, both Preston and Crewe are already in the game after all, although the latter has changed quite a bit since the period depicted.
It certainly won't be a Welsh route... And I'm so disappointed about that! It will definitely be the C2C or some Underground stuff. I'm hoping for a WCML. I love the 390 and the 221!
