yea a lot have drove the 182 (I know they will be differences most likely) but the most unique part to drive and be in will be the cab car still hoping to this day they rectify the 101 cab car (stuerwagan)
Spot on and speaking of the Siemens Viaggio Nightjet that runs to 230 kmh there's a version that has the Ddm 915s attached to the Cab Car used on Vorarlberg Bahn route 446/447. Need to max it on KWG SFS Hannover Wurzburg look at NJ490/491 which has the Viaggio coupled to a Taurus locomotive 1116 although the game will sub 1116 for 182s
As an Austrian I have to say do it and you are welcome here There are beautiful routes to explore like Phyrnbahn, Arlbergbahn, Semmeringbahn, Mittenwaldbahn, etc.
I would love to see a 1116 on that route as well. However, DTG said during the last week's roadmap QandA that they have currently no plans on adding the 1116 to this route, which is an absolute bummer imho I hope they are reviewing this stance. Id be a waste of a fairly solid route!
Yeah exactly, not only we drove a lot the 182 but it’s already done so they can do the cab-car as it’s almost identical to the locomotive one. For the 101, honestly I’m hopeless for any cab-car coming, I think there’s a high probability a modded will release it before DTG.
Well, if a railjet ever comes, it HAS to come with a cab car as its a permanent consist. No cab car would be like an ICE without one end. With the 101 or even the 1116 with just bmz you could still argue that those are possible consists in reality. A railjet on the other hand only exists as complete set, and i dont think even DTG would take the drastic measure to not include parts of it, given that MUs always have been complete to this date
And I also remember the magnificent food in the restaurants and cafes. Chocolate cake you could only dream of elsewhere!
No too sure! They included the static Reko Coaches on Dresden-Chemnitz as well as the Steam loco on Salzburg Rosenheim. So it's not impossibe to have the waggons at Semmering!
Dtg could make a loco dlc out of it for the ic cabcar. As extra an overhaul of the timetable its used. Maybe this would have been necessary 3 years ago, now they spreaded incomplete ic formations along 10+ releases...., who is gonna do the fix.., we all know.
Back when I was into TSC, the Mittenwaldbahn was one of my favorite routes. Especially when linked upo to the München-Garmisch route.
There are two problems with that. One is the marketability of a DLC only usable by people who have bought a DLC (101) only usable by people who have bought a DLC (HRR). The other problem is that ALL 101 services in the game are necessarily arranged with the loco in front, so any cab car services would have to be created afresh. I would approach it differently: upgrade the 101 DLC to include the cab car, and services reworked to push-pull. Any current owners of the "old" 101 pay half price for the new one. (Maybe as a sweetener toss in the missing cafe car). Note that as a TSW4 DLC it wouldn't be tied to any particular route, and so owning HRR would not be necessary.
Yes. This, so much. I realize it may be setting a dangerous precedent here, but hell, I would pay (the right, not full, price) again for DLCs I already own if big enough updates came to them to render them decent enough. The idea I had originally for Arosalinie. DTG clearly care a lot about the money and zero about fixing their mess on older DLCs. Many users on the other end probably care (who would've ever thought!) about the variety and quality of the content they have more. If they offered paid upgrades to some DLCs as an incentive for them to go back to them and actually render them worth playing (look at the condition of RT right now...) I would probably pay for that. ....not really TOO scared of them "starting" to purposefully half ass initial releases if this were the case, either. Honestly their stuff often looks half assed almost on purpose already.
Probably the best way is a new "long" route, and use the 101 + cab car as base rolling stock, together with 2 new freight wagons.
I wonder what is then the maximum operating speed of the train if it has car wagons attached... since freight wagons are usually limited to like 120 kmh
Finally some new (official) Austria content: Mittenwaldbahn: Garmisch-Partenkirchen - Innsbruck: I'm really excited for the 1020. I have seen one in reality and it has a very unique cab, where you have to stand if I remember correctly. Also, the screenshots look very promising once more, the look of the route really feels like photographs, that is incredible! I now hope that we also get new coaches with it, although I've already seen Silberling-N-Wagens. I'm so glad that there's a bit movement with Austria in TSW!
While I'm not a big fan of olden-era content, it's nice that another Austrian route is at least coming to TSW.
The different era means we’ll finally get an Austrian route without that darn Talent 1! Now a Crocodile, that’s a lot more interesting Also I like the little teaser trailer with TrainSim Germany changing to TrainSim Austria, was very charming. I would imagine this route is more pleasant than airport security…
For me it was a big surprise to get another austrian route. So it's definitely a great anouncement for me! I assume the sales of Semmeringbahn wasn't that high, as it was a in my eyes a bad choice and implementation for most of people. Low speed, boring services with light traffic and not much diversity of trains. So I didn't expect to get another route in Austria, at least not from DTG. I love border crossing routes, as it's adding much in terms of traffic, station and signaling styles. It's great to get Innsbruck in the game also. So thats a plus. I would have hoped, the time settings are more recent. So many trains are not properly useable for this era, like the Talent 1+2. Also a surprise to get an austrian loco and I like the ÖBB 1020 personally. But I would have liked way more common locos like ÖBB 1144, 1142 or 4020.
Remember dtg are also creating routes for other new countries on top of what they already do (us, uk, Germany). They aren't only doing austrian content.
rennekton#1349 Yes I know, no complaint about that. They have to sell their products and will try to produce DLCs with the most appeal to the userbase. And I think they tried it with Austria, but with Semmeringbahn I assume they saw not that much success. And because of that they propably think Austria isn't the best place for routes. That's why I don't think they will return to Austria. I hope I'm wrong here. Vorarlbergbahn was economycally propably okayish, but a starter route for TSW4. Salzburg-Rosenheim very good, but AT-DE. And Semmeringbahn kind of bad. But DTG could have had more success. Vorarlbergbahn and Semmeringbahn had a lot more potential if made good. There are to this date no fast services in Vorarlberg, no proper usage of the good ÖBB 1116. Semmeringbahn has also not really traffic with other than 1116 and Talent.
Yes, the E94 was build at a time when a standing driver was associated with a more attentive driving behaviour. Also, she has a manual tap changer (not that it changes all that much in the sim). That’s why the tap changer wheel is so big - you need the leverage to manually dial up the taps while more modern locos like the E10 have a motor dialling up the the selected taps for you.
Economically I think it is. If you just pay attention how few posts in this forum are about Semmeringbahn, I don't think many people use it / bought it. Personally I enjoy it way less than Vorarlbergbahn and Salzburg-Rosenheim, but I like it because it's a proper austrian route. You're right, the build quality isn't that bad but they could have achieved much more.
I think the lack of variety in rolling stock (everything ÖBB 1116 and Bmz coaches and only A-B through freight with some on a second stop makes a realistic busy and diverse railscene not shown well at all
Semmeringbahn is very specific route, where you experience "large" mainline trains (international expresses, heavy freight) on a "branch" type of route (slow speeds, lot of stations, tight curves). And it's one of the most famous railway routes in the world. I agree that it suffers from a lack of variety in rolling stock (which makes it a primary target for future gameplay packs with 1044 or railjet), but timetable is actually really good, the route capacity is used very highly. And scenery wise it's definitely among the better ones, and it works in various weather conditions really well too, including very well done nights. The decision to include the racetrack to Neustadt was unexpected, but makes me return to it quite often, actually. It might not be a peak seller immediately, but I can very well see that is steadily sells over time much better than various routes in germany that are not so famous. There is nothing too bad about the route, it's just a matter of whether DTG decides to keep investing time into it in future, they can probably get a lot of money from it in long term, if they would care about it.
Thats a good point of view. And I hope you're right with the selling numbers. I just made a guess. It stands and falls with the future development of the route (and Austria in general). Would be a waste to abandon these routes. A gameplay pack with 1144 (or Railjet) would bring Semmeringbahn and Vorarlbergbahn to new highs.
I travel to Vienna like 1-2x a week, and you can believe when I say I take every chance I can get to ride as many rail vehicles as I can (regular trains, subway, trams and Badner Bahn tram-train)... often when I dont have any good idea where to go explore next, I just go to Kledering, where I know a super-quality spot for safe and 100% legal trainspotting, and I just watch the classification yard action and also both pairs of passenger tracks (one is for S/REX7 and services heading for the airport and further to Wolfsthal and one is for pretty much everything else, including Aspangbahn) for me as a railway fan, having such a train paradise like Vienna is a huge blessing ... not to mention St. Polten and Wiener Neustadt are also near... on Wien Hbf you can see all kinds of trains, from diesel motorcars like 5047 and DMUs like Desiro Classic, multiple units of all kinds to RailJets and even ICEs I am hoping that if DTG decides to do Vienna, they not only do the busiest "belt" part of Stammstrecke (aka stretch of maaaaany tracks between Meidling and Hbf), but the whole Stammstrecke (Meidling - Floridsdorf), plus one of the important lines to the region... Stammstrecke ALONE gives you TONS of services, there is a train every like 2-4mins, and even though you dont go very fast there, only up to 80 kph, it gives you almost 30mins of busy city gameplay... plus whatever direction they would do easiest choice would probably be to do Stammstrecke + St. Polten, the highspeed tunnels+Tullnerfeld line and the old Westbahn as well (cos new Westbahn only has highspeed traffic and CJX trains)
Economics are irrelevant to me I'm a customer. And from this point, I like it much. Maybe up to some point also because I use this route quite often in real life (so I have been aware of its slowliness from the start) but it isn't that only. You have the slow but scenic Semmeringbahn and the faster section to/from Wiener Neustadt. There are commuter services, als well as long distance and freight. This route has everything a good route has to have. The only things I can critisize is that they didn't bring a Desiro ML ("Cityjet") for the CityJetExpress or at least an official CJ livery for the ÖBB 4024 and some misstakes on the scenery (which you are only able to spot, if yiu knew the route in real life). razmatus#2517 100% agreed.
ApollonJustice fair enough. To me a good route should have at least a branch option or network, but on Semmeringbahn it wouldn't make much sense. If not a network it should be at least long enough for two stops long distance trains. It does tick that if you count the Semmering station, so that's ok. The not yet made CityJet Livery on Salzburg-Rosenheim or Semmeringbahn isn't understandable. This could have been an easy win.
There are many branch options on that route: At Wiener Neustadt, several branch routes begin/end there: The "Mattersburger Bahn" to Sopron in Hungary, the "äußere (outer) Aspangbahn" to Aspang and beyond, the Gutensteiner Bahn to Gutenstein and the "Schneebergbahn" to Puchberg am Schneeberg. On Semmering itself there is the "Höllentalbahn" from Payerbach-Reichenau to Hirschwang. This is an heritage railway, but since the WSR is in TSW, why not? If you look at the collectable route maps on this route, you can see them. The CityJet Trademark has been introduced by ÖBB in 2015, so it would not be realistic to be present on Salzburg - Rosenheim, set in 2013. Or did you mean Vorarlberg, which is set in 2019? 2015, but the rest is correct.
Suggestion for the 1144/1142 and CityShuttle wagons is made, hopefully it will get some attention https://forums.dovetailgames.com/threads/Öbb-1144-1042-cityshuttle-wagons.87185/
Wiener Neustadt has a lot of options in this department, but it would take a lot of effort to do, cos many of the branch lines are scenic on Niddertalbahn level or more, especially those diesel branches CityJet started in 2015 I think, as soon as Desiro MLs got rolled into service in Viennese S-Bahn and such
