Going Overground (v.2) | The Goblin Discussion & Speculation Thread

I don’t understand how snow-runner and TSW4 have anything in common whatsoever?
In TSW4 you can drive a multitude of accurately reproduced trains as a simulation of railways today and in the past. Ok some might not seem perfect, but that is the goal of the devs. It’s a simulation of the real thing and a lot more work goes into producing it I should imagine than some fictional thrill seeking game where accuracy has been suspended, if not in the actual vehicle then certainly in the environment in which it has been set.
In TSW4 the environment also has to be faithfully reproduced to be just like the real thing. But it doesn’t end there as also the operating constraints are modelled as well; the signalling, track layouts, station designs/displays, liveries and paint schemes etc.
in addition how the heck are snow runner users Imeant to know if the vehicles feel accurate as they are unlikely to ever ride in one? Not so with the trains, we can all go and ride in one, so DTG can’t get away with too many inaccuracies.
As if that’s not enough divergence how about the strict timetabling needed for TSW4 services to run?
No for me at least TSW4 is totally unique and has no direct competitor. Even Simrail has to be largely dismissed as it is limited to just one country and is all based on multiplayer.

 

I know some people are wondering about Goblin being a bigger picture for another larger route. I hope this time it is and DTG have learnt their lesson because remember all of the foreshadowing with the 700 and ECML and how that turned out.

Heres hoping DTG do have a good vision going forward though!

 

You can wait for sales and get it for that.

 

Yes and Snowrunner is totally a game, not even an attempt to be a sim.

The truck models are nice but they perform absolutely nothing like their real life counterparts, they are very much focused on gameplay and balance, not an accurate representation of the real life vehicle. Easy to produce for cheaper when you don't need to worry about any kind of technical accuracy. Things like engines, fuel capacity, and even driveline capability are completely made up. I don't mean that as a knock on Snowrunner since I have had it since day 1 and have all the DLC.

TSW to me is more along the lines of a Flight Simulator type game. And look at some of the prices on DLC for those... sure, there is some low quality free stuff but the real good planes and scenery add ons can cost close to as much as the base game.

 

I will also note that the first door on the third carriage is (albeit barely visible) open.

I doubt whoever took the photo had a wander through the middle carriage before taking the picture

 

It looks like a nice route. I don't disagree with the criticisms but I do like metro style routes.

I think perhaps it could've been a better value had DTG made both the Mildmay and Suffragette Lines like in TSC rather than just the Suffragette Line. For those that don't like metro style routes, this won't have much replay value. All but one Suffragette Line trains are stored in the Depot near Willesden Junction which is on the Mildmay Line. It does seem like a missed opportunity but I may pick it up if it is good overall.

 

Looks really good. Even for a short route the loco looks very well done and the scenery looks cool. The ballast looks vastly improved too.

Also they gave away one of the Easter egg services in the preview lol. The 387 was sitting right next to the 66.

 

Looks great from that one so far! Looks like they included lots of TfL specific branding, posters, signage etc which is great. Also, working elevator! That is a new one for TSW I think.

I spy a Gatwick Express 387 too, I guess one of those bonus layers the article talked about.

 

dont see how a branded gatwick express 387 would run anywhere near this line.

 

This is in 'hope' they expand the routes so it still stands as a single use loco. A better use would be a Class 345 version and use on GWR Paddington to Reading if the route is ever updated!

 

That would be a complete remake since gwe isn't electrified. Also rumor is that dtg no longer have a gwr license so it would prevent it from being made but dtg have neither confirmed or denied if they have the license or not

 

Could the 387 be a layer on the ECML? Although that make me wonder why it would have Gatwick Express branding.

 

Confirmed they do not have it as per DTG Liam in a thread about the WSR.

 

Seems like the motor sounds might actually be well done! Also whys there a GX 387 in the middle of the track??

 

Wonder if that’s a place holder for something in the future mabey a little hint

 

The ex-GX 387s ran unbranded they were just bare GX livery plain red.

 

Goblin is a self contained route the only emus you see on it is the 710s.

 

I am guessing it is connected to some kind of special move, they tuck stuff like that into other routes (ie a Scotrail 385 sometimes appears at the Hitachi Depot in SEHS).

 

yes but i mean for like mabey ai passing it. Also it is not a self contained route. As you have the lines that can go towards liverpool street when the C2C diverts there from barking. Also Great anglia used to run 387s from liverpool street so could it be a little hint possibly

 

I believe this video explains why there's a GX train on the ECML

 

30 quid for 13 miles... pfft

 

may want to check the price its 24,99

 

quite simply its a vanity project by the mayor of london….it also plays straight into the hands of the woke brigade of which he relies upon for their votes. It’s mayoral election year in London this year too….this was in his manifesto for the elections last time around but somehow it took him 5 years to implement!
£6.3m is an awful lot of money to waste….not like there are any other problems in London huh?

 

So, I wonder why there is no pre-order discount DTG Alex? Exorbitant licencing costs from TfL?

 

Sadiq has got to get his money from somewhere, because he's not getting from his ULEZ!!

 

Lea valley lines use the 710/1 not the 710/2.
The 321s never operated on the West Anglia line, this would be the 317, but it would make more sense to include the LO 317 rather than the GA 317s as they operate the full length and they have the LO license.

 

710/2's do sometimes substitute on the Lea Valley lines if a 710/1 is unavailable for whatever reason.

 

Haha true dat!

 

It’s a fun and very pretty route, only done two services on it, Barking Riverside to Gospel Oak and the return but I think they’ve captured the feel of it very well. Seeing the Class 700 & Azuma pass overhead on the ECML is very immersive.

 

How can you say that when it doesn’t release until 19th March? I did a few runs on the TSC version and even with the pleasant sounding 172, it got tedious very quickly.

 

I’m part of the Xbox beta group.

 

You're sure that you can say that now ?

 

I posted something tongue in cheek about him not breaking NDA, but seemed to get redacted by the mods.

 

Are the beta groups invite only?

 

A couple trains passing overhead is immersive? Wow standards are low...

 

Is that not what happens in real life? What are you expecting, Godzilla?

 

I will look forward to buying this but I am really disappointed that the pylon model is still the same model from the beginning of TSW and is a poor representation of a pylon, particularly in an area where there are lots of them crossing between Barking and Barking Riverside.
Just Trains have a new pylon model and I believe Rivet do too. Seems a shame as its been raised a few times.

 

Alright, no need to start a pile-on.




I'll get my coat.

 

It is part of the experience of driving a train, what else do you want?

Having watched the preview video, I am looking forward to its release. It looks like there is quite a lot of detail and the class 710 sounds good.

I am not sure I would want to be a commuter on it in real life. Spending 45 minutes sitting with your back to the window with only the person opposite you to look at!

 

Your sarcasm isnt cute. Immersion should be busy platforms, delays, random incidents. Having an 801 or 700 pass overhead for 5 seconds isnt immersive. You can get that on training centre ffs.

Amazing an 801 and 700 is gonna pass you! That doesnt change the fact you are running up and down for 40 minutes from point A-B. I smell this route being a '1' hit wonder.

How many 801s and 700s will it take for you to not be phased when they pass?

 

0 hit wonder for me. £25 for this or £30 for Berlin Ringbahn in TSC… No contest there!

 

Maybe its more useful to keep it by yourself.... There are also players they have other expectations.

 

This is what train driving is all about. Seeing AI trains pass by whether on your route or above it, makes the journey immersive! It is about as much excitement that you are going to get on any journey.

Most routes consist of driving from one end to the other or at least from A to B!

For me it is about getting as close as I can being a driver and routes like Goblin for me are the most immersive as the experience feels the most real.

I definitely agree that delays or random events would be great to see and I hope it comes some day but no routes have that at present.

 

Agreed with the passing trains, too many routes have empty tracks which could be filled with other stock.

In this particular case having ECML populated actually adds a large deal of immersion. It’s putting you into the perspective of being a local transit line, buzzing about under & around the mainlines in&out of the capital.

Also, whenever Bakerloo is discussed, how many comments do you see about the empty WCML? And how it makes that section of Bakerloo feel dead.

The more you think about it, the more simply having trains pass overhead does add to the immersion. How is having the world around you more alive not immersive?

 

This is the one reason German routes in TSW feel alive and kicking, depending what else is in your collection the layering throws up all sorts of rich gems.

 

100% agree. One of the major reasons London-Brighton was so well received was the sheer amount of traffic (esp between London & Gatwick), Having trains running around you adds so much to the immersion and I'm happy to see AI running around in sections of the Goblin

 

AI trains is bare minimum.
I think the idea of immersion varies per route. Immersion for a busy route like BML would be delays, packed trains, packed platforms. However immersion for a less busy route such as the American freight ones would be different.

 

A bare minimum for what?

 

Dont just accept bare minimum. A route shouldnt be immersive simply because it has AI trains passing you every 2 minutes.

Where are the passengers? Empty trains and platforms thats not immersive is it.