Fife Circle Discussion Thread

Discussion in 'TSW General Discussion' started by derek#2931, Feb 11, 2024.

  1. CK95

    CK95 Well-Known Member

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    Nope, just to Fife.
     
  2. SteveRail

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    Hope the PIS is updated to show Edinburgh Waverley, rather than just Waverley.
     
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  3. TSW Nathan

    TSW Nathan Well-Known Member

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    Yea. Or even better, Edinburgh Waverly, and below Via Dunfermline, etc.
     
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  4. bdlhouston#8691

    bdlhouston#8691 Well-Known Member

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    There's still quite a few before the fleet is finished
    We don't have the 153, 156, HST, 318, 320, 334 or 380 s yet
     
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  5. trainsimplayer

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    The ScotRail fleet still misses out on the:
    • HST
    • 153, which requires the;
    • 156
    • 318
    • 320
    • 334
    • 380

    If we were to have three of the remaining EMUs in one DLC, then the minimum would be 6 DLCs (380+320+318, 334, 156, 153, HST) or (334+320+318, 380, 156, 153, HST).
    153 with the 156 would bring it to five.

    Even Fife is only lacking the HST - the overlap with the Levenmouth Rail Link's construction, implied by Rivet's consideration of an extension - rules the 68 out, unless dual timetables are used.

    So, I'm not really sure what Matt is referring to.

    (Okay, the 153 could be ignored, and one of the 320/318 could too, as they largely overlap - likewise the 380/385, but I doubt they'd go there if expanding on ScotRail, especially not with the 380.)
     
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  6. Bravo2six

    Bravo2six Well-Known Member

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    I would pay an ungodly amount of money for the Bike Carrier 153s.
    That livery is stunning.
     
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  7. Scotrail156467

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    Great idea though in reality it doesn't have any calling points or go via on the front pis just the destination
     
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  8. Midnight

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    Just going to mention the class 303, while we're on the whole "Scotland" theme. They were nice units.

    Also going to pray that Rivet Games never get their hands on it.
     
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  9. AVeryFatElf

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    Good luck finding anyone else who would likely be able to bring it to TSW. JT could I guess but i think it'd need a new route made for it or a previous route being reverted to decades ago to accomodate for it.
     
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  10. theorganist

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    Well they only came out of service in 2004 if I recall. I guess you could make a "legends" timetable for Cathcart. Although definitely a period route would be preferable.

    AP did a sound pack for the RSC one so I am sure some sounds could be cobbled together. There is one preserved if you can get access to it.
     
  11. derek#2931

    derek#2931 Well-Known Member

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    The one preserved at Bo’ness hasn’t moved in over 10 years honestly so good luck on that one :D
     
  12. AVeryFatElf

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    Think I’ve been in that one when there for the gala - they’ve done a good job with it. Got to sit in the cab which was a wild experience.
     
  13. tyler#1604

    tyler#1604 Well-Known Member

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    I would love a Scotrail route with either the 320 or 334
     
  14. theorganist

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    AP have recorded sounds in the past so presumably they might sell them to DTG as has happened with other DLC. Unless it isn't accessible to be surveyed.
     
  15. claus33

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    Is there any confirmation or hint that the levenmouth extension will be included?
     
  16. trainsimplayer

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    Rivet said they will explore the possibility of adding it when the extension opens, yes.
     
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  17. marcsharp2

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    They said it may be added in the future
     
  18. trainguy#6029

    trainguy#6029 Well-Known Member

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    What kind of layers will there be, if any? For example railtours/freight workings etc?
    Thanks.
     
  19. meridian#2659

    meridian#2659 Well-Known Member

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    Was there mentioned if Rivet is going the extra mile and update the a.i traffic to the "Edinburgh & Glasgow" route?
     
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  20. TSW Nathan

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    Funnily enough I was working there today! 20240310_131526.jpg 20240310_084145.jpg 20240310_083853.jpg 20240310_092854.jpg 20240310_093129.jpg
     
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  21. bdlhouston#8691

    bdlhouston#8691 Well-Known Member

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    I can definitely the scotsman having a few railtours
     
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  22. Scotrail156467

    Scotrail156467 Well-Known Member

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    Definitely the 66 would layer some way or another 385s class 801 could also layer in at Edinburgh but not on the fife circle as it's the wrong one and maybe a steam railtour flying Scotsman
     
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  23. Odd1ne

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    The 66 being layered in somewhere is a given on all UK routes nowadays :D
     
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  24. trainguy#6029

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    Yeah, the 66 will be in the route.. it's guaranteed - it's in basically every UK route.... I'd imagine RHTT, does that line get any freight in real life?
    Flying Scotsman would be great to be fair! Really hope that does happen! :)
     
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  25. meridian#2659

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  26. Bravo2six

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    I'd rather keep the seperate, I'm sure I'm not the only one that would't see the benefit of combining the routes, when say running a Glasgow - Alloa Service? Or a Fife circular service after the 9 minuites it takes to get out of Waverley.
    As long as the AI services get layed onto both routes, that's more than enough.

    I don't see what the communities obsession with extensions is all about.
    Maybe adding in the Bo'ness would be nice on EDN, and The Levenmouth into Fife, but adding the two together doesn't make sense.

    ECML or MML does, but these too don't.
     
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  27. rennekton#1349

    rennekton#1349 Well-Known Member

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    Dtg mentioned during the roadmap stream that Edinburgh-Glasgow will remain untouched. No promises or plans but rivet said they will think about it in the future
     
  28. Scotrail156467

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    To my knowledge no freight unless it's a network rail train or engineer equipment move
     
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  29. trainguy#6029

    trainguy#6029 Well-Known Member

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    Oh, cool! Maybe the Engineers Express add-on will get some use in there, and as I say RHTT will probably be on the route, RHTT is pretty much guaranteed now on most UK routes, hopefully it doesn't run too early/late, I like being able to see the scenery while I'm driving. :D
     
  30. mgbgt

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    I too would go into a state of shock if the 66 ain’t included.
     
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  31. TimTri

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    Wow so I just came back from a 2-week holiday in Bahrain (culture shock, no railways whatsoever in the whole country! ;)) and had a lot of catching up to do on the forums. I’m very happy Rivet is considering adding the Levenmouth branch. Judging by the wording, I’m assuming the track has already been laid and they’re just waiting for the final look of the station scenery etc.
     
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  32. Pookiebarra

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    All but ready. Driver training well under way , Spring 2024 opening..Mind you when is Spring?
     
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  33. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Its supposed to be near the end of this month but from what the weather looks like we're still in the heart of winter.
     
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  34. Wivenswold

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    Wouldn't be particularly realistic to have the 150 on a modern Scotrail route. They left Scotland over 2 decades ago. It would have to be a backdated layer, which I wouldn't mind on this and a lot of routes, but for a modern version let's keep the 150 out of it.

    Someone will work out how to layer 385 AI even if Rivet don't do it.
     
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  35. TSW Nathan

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    Still means console players are left out though. :(
     
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  36. marcsharp2

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    The impression I'm getting is that the 385 is being layered onto Fife Circle but the 170 isn't being layered onto Edinburgh-Glasgow.
     
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  37. jack#9468

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    Sounds about right, they don't usually backport onto older routes.
     
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  38. cloudyskies21

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    I appreciate it's a lot of extra work for the devs but I'd like to think it would be worth it in the long-term. My main frustration with TSW overall is older routes not getting updated with newer rolling stock - whether E-G, Vorarlberg, or any of the older German routes missing ICE services etc. There's already so many decent existing TSW routes that just need a vital timetable update - regarding both playable and AI services - and why not some more new loco DLCs for them too? E-G is an okay route but the immersion is spoiled by literally just two-three 385s at an empty Waverley etc.
     
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  39. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    I do wish they'd update older routes as necessary to include newer stock, but at least they add old stuff to the newer content. Not doing that, when the stock is already available is worse imo.
     
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  40. sam5166

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    Rivet have definitely gotten better in their modeling, but they still struggle with sounds/physics sadly
     
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  41. Scotrail156467

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    Too right
     
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  42. bdlhouston#8691

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    Well it's confirmed the 385 and 801 will layer around edinburgh, which is great to see. And the 385 services are driveable between edinburgh and haymarket
     
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  43. marcsharp2

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    Who was it saying that the 385 wasn't going to layer in and was adamant about it? I assume he'll be apologising any moment now
     
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  44. Bravo2six

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    Can I ask the source?
     
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  46. Cyklisten

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    It's in the official route release article
     
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  47. dmu2023

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    Really looking forward to this on the 26th March.
     
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  48. mortal1234

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    26th March is the release date !! holy moly only 2 weeks away :D.
     
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  49. jack#9468

    jack#9468 Well-Known Member

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    Thankfully they're not here anymore.
     
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  50. Xander1986

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    Cool nice route! If it is on the same quality level as they Bernina line it will fun to drive :D
     
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