If the AP 800EP physics are anything to go by, no Also depends if your going to London or Edinburgh towards London its a descent but towards Edinburgh its an acscent
if we get Chester to Holyhead, it will most likely include the 197. If we do get Chester to Holyhead, I hope we get the Conwy Valley line & the Branch to Llandudno included
What if the new British map was linked to the new locomotive DLC? I mean, it would make sense. Maybe the same locomotive that can run on the ECML.
Chester to Holyhead would already be far more milage then we usually get, no chance we’d get Llandudno or Conwy Valley on top of it. Any NWC would more likely be Chester to LLJ.
They said during a stream that because the roadmap looks so far ahead and things can move a lot or get changed, they got rid of the codes.
Chester to Holyhead would be my dream route to get - my local line and pretty good variety of trains available, if they're going with modern they could make another 158, update the 150, they could make a 153 or a 175 (would be nice, could be a little tribute to them too in a way) or even make the 197 (although the 158/150/153/175 would definitely be better imo) - they could make the WAG set aswell, on top of that we get some decent freight, with a freight yard in Llandudno Junction and another just a bit up the line in Penmaenmawr.. plus a new yard planned to be in Holyhead! I would definitely buy that the millisecond it released if it was to happen! We can only hope!
I would also LOVE to see the North Wales Coast Line come to TSW. I don't mind what era it is set in as long as it is done properly. If we get it and it is set in the 21st Century, I would like it to include the 175 and 150/2 in ATW livery and the 221 in VT livery if they still have the license.
yeah, true but the branch from LLJ to LL is only around 2 miles so it wouldn't add much to the route length. TBA, even though I would love to see a NWC route include the CVL, I think it could be nice to see the CVL as its own route with the 150/2 or the 197
ATW would be brilliant, as would the 221! It would be great to have the CVL but unfortunately I doubt that would happen...
I think C2C might be coming. This route would be incredible and they need to find a way to fill the empty platforms at such an empty major station of Barking. Would love this route to feature! I noticed that Alex was hinting something on the roadmap when at Barking Station.
A scenic route would be nice and for that I would maybe pick Carlisle to Glasgow bit for stopping services then maybe Northampton to Birmingham perhaps.
I think just because some of the services that in-game termninate at Preston IRL run on to Man Victoria or Morecambe.
Someone pointed out that the Avanti logo is already present in the Editor. WCML? Maybe. I would expect a route like this as base map for the future TSW.
I fear you'd be right honestly. But I love the line past LLJ. Unless maybe you start at LLJ and maybe do the branch down to Llandudno as well? Although not sure of the route mileages. Either way It'd be a shame to cut off the top part of the route Imo anyway Although I'd love it historical but I doubt that's going to be on DTGS radar
I think in TSC it was originally to Llandudno, although it also started at Crewe. NWC will be one of those routes we’ve seen in TSC but it’s massively cutdown in TSW. It’d also be quite disappointing to see it only come with one train, considering we have a 150 & 158, but at this point it’d be expected. NWC would be a great one to kick off Welsh content with in TSW, but it’s one of those where DTG wouldn’t put the work in to fully realise its potential.
I think it'd be a great route also. I'm just not sure that DTG under their current business model would do it justice. Because as you say it'd be one train and I honestly can't see dtg going the extra mile and doing what JT did and producing a couple of reskins for other things. I could see a potential TFW 158 though in a similar vein to the scotrail addon from SHG maybe? But if they could get it right and put the effort into it I'd be more than happy to pay for it.
The only chance of getting more than one loco would be, as I've said previously, the time period was set during BR Blue so you could take your pick from the Class 37, 40, 45 and 47 plus the Class 101 DMU. For a new traction asset could do either a Class 25 or maybe a Class 108 DMU. But NWC is a route that must be done properly to do it justice. Just cannot be another typical one train, route for a day, fire and forget project.
It was also something to do with people working out what the code 'could be' and then getting audibly angry when it wasn't their route of choice.
I usually prefer European routes. I tend to almost never complain about map work. But if you see a Luzern-Sursee or a Class 150, you can't ignore it! Furthermore they should introduce only one train on routes like the Goblin. I can understand this choice. But you can't create a line of more than 60 miles without introducing at least two new drive units! This is my thought. Having said this, we can return to the focus of the topic.
I think Norwich to Great Yarmouth would be a very broads route in terms of gameplay. 59 mins of tracking gathered river Yar
It would not surprise me if ATS did a TSW version of Wherry Lines, with Classes 150 and 170 in game they could make an Anglia Railways-era version or a BR-era one with 101s and loco-hauled sets.
It would in some way be realistic.. most drivers take trains from Chester (maybe further, I'm not too sure) to LLJ and do a driver swap, so it would be pretty realistic in terms of driver swaps I guess - I will say It would be nice to get a bit more of the line but I wouldn't turn it down.. it is my local line after all! We also get a decent variety of things; GBRf 66s, FL 66s (on engineers) CRF 70s/56s and obviously the usual TfW/AWC things, and a good amount of railtours - diesels and steam!
Yeah Crewe to LLJ, then LLJ to Holyhead is usually how it’s done (although the swaps are more common for services coming back from Holyhead, rather than towards it). Im not too fussed about Chester to Crewe, Crewe would only be barren & the predictable lack of the APT at the museum would really irk me. I could really go for this route with a 175 & 158, then a 221 as a DLC which would add the express services.
Ah, Crewe to LLJ.. makes more sense. Yeah I did notice more drivers swap in LLJ when they would be heading to Chester.. wonder why that is. Going to Crewe would add more to the route but definitely wouldn't be very interesting especially with the lack of APT in the CHC... Definitely would like to see a 175 in the game, maybe the WAG set could be added as a DLC too at some point!
I hope we get something LTS based, would be the perfect TSW route, has a balance of everything I like in a route while not being ridiculously long
Might be a good shout to say either something related to Avanti or Great Northern due to them being 2 licenses they have not yet used what they have.
If i could choose what the next uk route would be, i would really like to see the Wherry Lines but with the added Cromer & Sheringham Line too, it would be really good to have a proper network of roures instead of another A-B route.
Definitely come to the conclusion that the A-B/C routes are my favourite. Although EDN is one of my favourites, for reasons unknown. I think any new route for me would need either a vastly different stopping pattern per service, or a number of destinations
Hence why I think something like a LTS, or ECML south would be a good option, offers a lot of service flexibility
What rivet have done by starting another service from Edinburgh is a positive step, hopefully more developers start to use existing termini as a basis for new routes, new street would be good as that needs populating anyway.
that section is the most “unique” for that, the north end is scenic and the south end is busy. I think TSW still ain’t in shape for such sections tbh, I think that section was chosen cause you can get some length out of it and the scenery ain’t needing more time than quite standard stuff. Kinda like Kassel Wurzburg came because it’s about 50% tunnel, if it wasn’t it probably wouldn’t be. would be helpful if loco packs came about more, something of which rivet could achieve its best work on I think, loco modelling is probably the best strength of rivet.
I think this is key. Rivet make some spectacular models, that is true, but their routes are (usually) the issue, if they held their hands up and went, we can model the trains, but can someone do the sound/ physics, they could form a lovely production line and have all sorts of loco packs for all the routes! Surprised loco packs are so few and far between.
I imagine they also have an environment team which wouldn’t be able to do anything if they put only focus on loco dlcs however, and considering they’re routes are selling they don’t have any financial reasons as far as I’m aware to not do routes, quality doesn’t really matter if things are selling, it will only be if the sales aren’t keeping up. as far as the development companies are aware they have several users on a forum saying they can’t sell due to issues, whilst they are selling. They’re financials speak loudest.
Something Welsh is due, but unless DTG can have a partnership with TfW then it'll be a backdated one. I'd buy decent-length Welsh route. As for EMUs, they are in the majority in terms of traction and seem to be very popular. So while DTG are focusing on modern routes, the odds are against it being diesel only. I have a preference for electric, of any era, but the game also needs more Locos and DMUs too.
I am not bothered where the next route is providing Rivet don’t do it!!! I would like to see Manchester to Crewe, Severn Valley or the Chiltern Line Birmingham to London via Banbury.
While I'll always lobby for my native East Anglia, I agree with all the comments about us needing the other big gap in TSW, Wales. While there are the obvious North and South mainlines which would be good, I wonder whether DTG would be more tempted to do a small network of, for example 3 valley routes. I'd love to hear the opinions who those of you who know the area better. Would Cardiff Central to Treherbert, Aberdare and Merthyr Tydfil be an interesting little network? Class 150,231 and a retro timetable with 142 Pacers?
